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11-15-2015, 11:49 PM
SDDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

At the end of the day, at the very least if I was Scott I would tell Dan to dump or demote Hevesey.

I could get behind this...
11-15-2015, 11:50 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

When he was entering the game vs Alabama he was 20-5 in his last 25 games. He did this at MSU. It is really hard to win at football at MSU. Maybe the team will fall apart this season but he could still get to 10 wins with a bowl.

Well, if he wants to do that he better start making some big time adjustments to our personnel- starting with sitting Warren and Zach Jackson.
11-15-2015, 11:53 PM
Beaver

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

We have a decent overall coach, but one whos strength is development and systrm, amd whose weakness is field coaching and adjustments of any kind, be it within a game or within a season. Overall, he's not a good coach.

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11-15-2015, 11:54 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

As I said, Fuente is my first choice. But if we end up with Whittingham, that's hardly a Rick Ray hire. As some appear to be fearful of.

At the end of the day, at the very least if I was Scott I would tell Dan to dump or demote Hevesey, Sallach, and maybe Knox with Hevesey being the only one that is totally non-negotiable. And I would tell him if he doesn't want to do that, then good luck at Miami.

At the end of the day, Dan could make his ridiculous play calls and have it work much better with a functional o-line.

I am in agreement that staff changes have to be made. I am hoping that a performance that bad was the final straw for Hevesy. That was like a defensive coordinator giving up 80 points.
11-15-2015, 11:57 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

Because it was a blatant lie. This would be true - you want to compete head to head with Freeze on that front?! Not smart.

No offense guys, but I don't think you're seeing this clearly. Understandable after a tough weekend, but sleep it off and let's finish the season and see where it goes. Dan was left for dead in 2013 and found a way to finish, let's see what he can do here.

The reality is Dan probably almost HAS to win the next two and maybe even the bowl as well- which I will hold out judgment on until we find out who the actual opponent is- to win back a LOT of the fans.

Whether he realizes it or not a lot of fans are getting tired of the obvious flaws without any adjustments being made. A lot of people are tired of seeing the same players fail time and time again while younger players are outperforming the older ones- only to get pulled from the game after one mistake and are being replaced by the inferior ones making continual mistakes.

And even if he does win out, I would still hope that Hevesey would be asked to leave or demoted.
11-15-2015, 11:59 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

I am in agreement that staff changes have to be made. I am hoping that a performance that bad was the final straw for Hevesy. That was like a defensive coordinator giving up 80 points.

I had a similar thought in my head. I guess I equate a sack being like a TD allowed- so therefore 9 sacks would be like a defense allowing 63 points. In my mind at least. However you want to quantify it, it's not good.
11-16-2015, 01:39 AM
InTheIttaBenaHotSun

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

18 5 stars vs 1 5 star. Bitching about play calling is low hanging fruit and nowhere near the root of the problem. Bitching about defensive alignments is low hanging fruit and nowhere near the root of the problem. Bitching about the talent of our running backs and Hev's offensive line recruiting is hitting the nail on the head.

We can solve this, but pressure must be applied at the correct spots. Bitching out of frustration about play calling and alignments is a big waste of hot air until the root of the problems are solved.

Agree 1000% here
11-16-2015, 01:42 AM
InTheIttaBenaHotSun

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

Mullen has to fire Hevesy. He is a total zero.

Agree 1000% with this also
11-16-2015, 01:46 AM
InTheIttaBenaHotSun

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Agree about the bitching about the play calling. That's a total "fan move". Disagree about the alignment issues. Alignment issues gave Bama 2 TD's. The margin for error is too thin for that to happen and that's something the coaches can control. We had 1 guy who was hugely responsible for 3 big plays.

As for O-line issues, we sign 25 guys every year. No excuse not to have 5 good linemen. We really need to sign Lashley and Raekwon as future Left and Right Tackles.

Where do we stand with Lashley and Raekwon?
11-16-2015, 02:25 AM
InTheIttaBenaHotSun

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Yeah the scientologist thing has really kept those recruits from coming to state. I'm sure LDS would have the same effect.

Yes, apparently it has from an O lineman recruiting standpoint.
11-16-2015, 08:20 AM
cheewgumm

Now that we have to schedule 1 decent OOC team, we will lose 1more game more often . So this will take care of itself...in time.
11-16-2015, 08:33 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

I haven't read all through the thread, but what 's the old saying..you pay for what you get. I know Mullen is making over 4 million, but it's time to step up the pay for our assistant positions. Hell, Kirby Smart makes more than half of our assistants combined.
11-16-2015, 09:16 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You can call it a fan move or whatever you want- running straight Bama when we need a TD is ****ing stupid and shows yet again- a lack of imagination

The problem with that set of play calls is this:

On first and second down, we tried to finesse it in there. At that point, Mullen sent a message to Alabama and his own guys that said, we don't think we can run it in from here, so we're going to try something else. When it didn't work, he went to play calls (power up the gut) that his team had no confidence in and Alabama's defense didn't respect.

I intentionally wanted to stay off the message boards this weekend, because I was so fired up over the game, and I wanted to chill out. But the more I think about it, the more disappointed I am in Mullen. He was poor across the board saturday, from game planning, to play calling, to clock management, to personnel, to execution.

When you come out in the first quarter, and drop your QB into the pocket to wait for intermediate and long pass routes to come open, you're going to get sacked, and you're not going to move the ball. That's what happened to us. I don't know what he did all week, but if he would've watched five minutes of the Miss-Bama game, he would've seen that the way to move the ball against Bama (and open up running lanes) is to spread the field and hit short/quick routes. Defensively, I don't know how you let Henry run it right up the gut for a long TD, or let a simple 20 yard hitch turn into a long TD. You can't make those mistakes in the 10th game of the effing season. On the punt, I told my buddy it was going to the house when it was in the air. Shitty punt, no hang time, easy to return. You can't do that if you're a D-1 punter in the SEC. I don't blame him - I blame his inconsistency on a lack of coaching.

And for those who cried for weeks about not letting Graves try the FG against LSU, you saw why on Saturday. He's accurate, but he can't kick anything beyond 46 yards. That's also embarrassing.

OK, I'm done.
11-16-2015, 09:41 AM
basedog

I'm trying to decide if some are sounding like a Ole Miss board or maybe this board goes the Usm route. Fire Jeff Bower because "we can do better" or "he is to vanilla". Winning ain't always easy, if it was we would have won a long time ago.

25-6 tells me he is doing something right in by far the most competitive football conference in America. The Sec has been noted as the best football conference in the country ONLY because of the West.

Come on y'all, glad known of you folks run the athletic department.
11-16-2015, 10:04 AM
lastmajordog

" Tebow had the Pounceys blocking for him- Dakota doesn't "
And UNM stuffed him and won the game. Two things to count on when Dan is close to the goal or need a big 4th down.....Jump pass and QB draw/dive. JMHO
11-16-2015, 10:10 AM
preachermatt83

I do not want Mullen gone... Not yet anyway. Lose the Egg and I will prob feel differently. If he is gone at the end of the season(he won't be) I'd prefer him to leave to take another job. Having said that if he leaves I can give you a top 5 list that WOULD take it without question.

1- Kyle Wittingham(. C34 is right, he WANTS an SEC job and he despises the Utah administration.)
2- Mike Leach
3- Todd Monken
4- Butch Davis
5- rich Rod (he's wanting out of AZ)
11-16-2015, 10:17 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

I do not want Mullen gone... Not yet anyway. Lose the Egg and I will prob feel differently. If he is gone at the end of the season(he won't be) I'd prefer him to leave to take another job. Having said that if he leaves I can give you a top 5 list that WOULD take it without question.

1- Kyle Wittingham(. C34 is right, he WANTS an SEC job and he despises the Utah administration.)
2- Mike Leach
3- Todd Monken
4- Butch Davis
5- rich Rod (he's wanting out of AZ)

That list makes me hope even more that Mullen stays and just works on his flaws.
11-16-2015, 10:18 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

That list makes me hope even more that Mullen stays and just works on his flaws.

Well said Clint!!
11-16-2015, 10:25 AM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

I do not want Mullen gone... Not yet anyway. Lose the Egg and I will prob feel differently. If he is gone at the end of the season(he won't be) I'd prefer him to leave to take another job. Having said that if he leaves I can give you a top 5 list that WOULD take it without question.

1- Kyle Wittingham(. C34 is right, he WANTS an SEC job and he despises the Utah administration.)
2- Mike Leach
3- Todd Monken
4- Butch Davis
5- rich Rod (he's wanting out of AZ)

Other than Wittingham, that's the most depressing list I have ever seen. That's horrible dude.
11-16-2015, 10:32 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Other than Wittingham, that's the most depressing list I have ever seen. That's horrible dude.

No kidding. Not having Justin Fuente even in your top 5 is beyond embarrassing. Whittingham is solid. I'd take a look at Fedora at UNC. He seems to have gotten them going this year.
11-16-2015, 10:34 AM
Eric Nies Grind Time

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Other than Wittingham, that's the most depressing list I have ever seen. That's horrible dude.

Monken could be a good hire in two or three years.
11-16-2015, 10:48 AM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

I do not want Mullen gone... Not yet anyway. Lose the Egg and I will prob feel differently. If he is gone at the end of the season(he won't be) I'd prefer him to leave to take another job. Having said that if he leaves I can give you a top 5 list that WOULD take it without question.

1- Kyle Wittingham(. C34 is right, he WANTS an SEC job and he despises the Utah administration.)
2- Mike Leach
3- Todd Monken
4- Butch Davis
5- rich Rod (he's wanting out of AZ)

Mullen, please stay with us..please!
11-16-2015, 10:51 AM
cheewgumm

I'l say it...I do want Mullen gone. And not because I hate him. I think he's a damn good coach. I think he'd probably win the NC at LSU. He needs to be somewhere, where recruiting takes care of itself.

I'm not going to be mad and I'll cheer for Mullen and hope he does well. I think he's damn good. I just don't think he recruits well enough.
11-16-2015, 11:16 AM
dawgpound

We can complain about play calling and formations but the fact is we were outplayed and beaten by a far superior team. Look at the NFL talent Alabama has compared to us. The only position we are better at is quarterback. Everywhere else they win and they won the battle at each position Saturday afternoon too. Until we can recruit at a high level like them then this will continue to be the trend.
11-16-2015, 11:27 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I'l say it...I do want Mullen gone. And not because I hate him. I think he's a damn good coach. I think he'd probably win the NC at LSU. He needs to be somewhere, where recruiting takes care of itself.

I'm not going to be mad and I'll cheer for Mullen and hope he does well. I think he's damn good. I just don't think he recruits well enough.

Well, even a couple of years ago when things were look very shaky under Mullen, the whole thing behind getting Hud was the recruiting aspect. I have to admit that I thought Mullen's recruiting would pick up a little after the notoriety we got last year but we are having trouble right now even getting big time LOCAL guys to pull the trigger for us this recruiting season. That is very disappointing. I guess Mullen's recruiting is what it is.
11-16-2015, 02:49 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well, even a couple of years ago when things were look very shaky under Mullen, the whole thing behind getting Hud was the recruiting aspect. I have to admit that I thought Mullen's recruiting would pick up a little after the notoriety we got last year but we are having trouble right now even getting big time LOCAL guys to pull the trigger for us this recruiting season. That is very disappointing. I guess Mullen's recruiting is what it is.

Until we overhaul the way we handle our compliance department, no one is going to recruit the way any of us want in terms of "starz" and all that shit. Our guys can't operate in the gray areas the way other programs do. It sucks, but the sooner we're all willing to admit this, the sooner we can apply heat in the right places to make the necessary changes.
11-16-2015, 02:56 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

No kidding. Not having Justin Fuente even in your top 5 is beyond embarrassing. Whittingham is solid. I'd take a look at Fedora at UNC. He seems to have gotten them going this year.

I didn't say that was my top 5. I said that is the top 5 WHO WOULD NO DOUBT TAKE IT! Fuente is great but he will have more opportunities and not a done deal that he would take it. If I were saying folks that might or might not take it then the list would look completely different.
11-16-2015, 03:09 PM
Jacksondevildog

This entire post can be stickied at the top. We don't have to recruit the way that Miami or Oklahoma did in the 1980's, but our compliance office is a joke. Other schools have hired attorneys and former NCAA compliance directors and we have a retired PE coach from Starkville High School. That's good ole boy 1982 Mississippi State style there.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Until we overhaul the way we handle our compliance department, no one is going to recruit the way any of us want in terms of "starz" and all that shit. Our guys can't operate in the gray areas the way other programs do. It sucks, but the sooner we're all willing to admit this, the sooner we can apply heat in the right places to make the necessary changes.
11-16-2015, 03:19 PM
gtowndawg

Honest question

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

This entire post can be stickied at the top. We don't have to recruit the way that Miami or Oklahoma did in the 1980's, but our compliance office is a joke. Other schools have hired attorneys and former NCAA compliance directors and we have a retired PE coach from Starkville High School. That's good ole boy 1982 Mississippi State style there.

I agree about compliance 100%. But even if we handled that, would a player still want to play for Hev? Is that not also part of the equation?
11-16-2015, 03:24 PM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

This entire post can be stickied at the top. We don't have to recruit the way that Miami or Oklahoma did in the 1980's, but our compliance office is a joke. Other schools have hired attorneys and former NCAA compliance directors and we have a retired PE coach from Starkville High School. That's good ole boy 1982 Mississippi State style there.

I have no knowledge on this point either way, but if it's a compliance office problem, why does Howland seem to have no trouble?
11-16-2015, 03:27 PM
Beaver

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

I have no knowledge on this point either way, but if it's a compliance office problem, why does Howland seem to have no trouble?

I have no insider knowledge, but from everything I've read it's basically Adidas basketball >>>> MSU Compliance
11-16-2015, 03:39 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Until we overhaul the way we handle our compliance department, no one is going to recruit the way any of us want in terms of "starz" and all that shit. Our guys can't operate in the gray areas the way other programs do. It sucks, but the sooner we're all willing to admit this, the sooner we can apply heat in the right places to make the necessary changes.

I understand your point here, but I think there are a number of coaches that would be interested in us, that would recruit better than Mullen. If you consider recruiting blue chip type players, successful recruiting.
11-16-2015, 03:53 PM
BankerDog

So we bitch because we don't run enough but wanna hire Rich Rod and Leach who are Air-Raid specialist? Got it.
11-16-2015, 03:53 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Not having Justin Fuente even in your top 5 is beyond embarrassing.

I'm not sold on Fuente just yet. I think any smart AD should wait and see how he does next year without a first round draft pick at QB. There was very little improvement between his first and second year, then Lynch was ready to play last year (played in 2013 but wasn't ready).
11-16-2015, 03:57 PM
BankerDog

Yeah well I can tell you this about Mullen's recruiting. The whole Leo Lewis deal was his plan from the moment at BDC when he de-committed to him committing to OM only for him to flip. He also was behind the craziness of the Chris Jones recruitment.

Ask those guys yourself and they will tell you the exact same thing. Lewis just needed the check from OM to support his daughter but was coming here all along.
11-16-2015, 04:18 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I'l say it...I do want Mullen gone. And not because I hate him. I think he's a damn good coach. I think he'd probably win the NC at LSU. He needs to be somewhere, where recruiting takes care of itself.

I'm not going to be mad and I'll cheer for Mullen and hope he does well. I think he's damn good. I just don't think he recruits well enough.

I agree with this. I think we need a coach like Ed Orgeron. We know he can recruit, and LSU is currently no. 2 in the nation in recruiting right now. I doubt if we will be able to beat them again while he is there. If this were to happen and we could keep Diaz as DC, I think we would see a vast improvement. Anyway, just my opinion which I'm sure a lot of you will not agree with.
11-16-2015, 04:21 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

I do not want Mullen gone... Not yet anyway. Lose the Egg and I will prob feel differently. If he is gone at the end of the season(he won't be) I'd prefer him to leave to take another job. Having said that if he leaves I can give you a top 5 list that WOULD take it without question.

1- Kyle Wittingham(. C34 is right, he WANTS an SEC job and he despises the Utah administration.)
2- Mike Leach
3- Todd Monken
4- Butch Davis
5- rich Rod (he's wanting out of AZ)

Beyond your top choice, that list is awful.
11-16-2015, 04:39 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

I have no knowledge on this point either way, but if it's a compliance office problem, why does Howland seem to have no trouble?

Because Adidas wants teams wearing their gear in the Sweet 16 and beyond. They feed coaches they trust. Then Howland has a helluva presentation for these recruits on their in-homes and school visits to close the deals
11-16-2015, 07:45 PM
lastmajordog

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I may be speaking for myself only, but I'm not mad we lost to Bama.....I'm mad that we got blown off the ****ing field vs Bama in the Senior season of our best QB in history. I'm mad that we continued to do the same things that didn't work at all last year vs Bama. Im mad that despite extra prep time, we still shot ourselves in the foot multiple times. I'm mad that I had to witness our QB and 120 lb RB get no yards up the middle vs Bama time after time again, when a 4 year old could have guaranteed Mullen it wouldn't work. That's why I'm mad. I have no doubt the better team won...but the fact that we got the shit kicked out of us in a huge game, on our home field, in Dak's revenge game of his Senior year, makes me mad. I'm kinda surprised people are so ok with that turd of a performance. Really surprised that people are actually wondering why people aren't happy with an ass beating.

Cadaver and Coach 34 are two of the more astute football observers i've been around, I think this post is totally true and almost impossible to argue with. I am from the old school and get totally frustrated with fans content with the "same old state". I can't argue with someone making Dan's money but that does not mean he is totally right. As I stated before I'm still wanting to know why if we are running a read option, we continue to run up the middle when there is NOTHING there.
11-16-2015, 08:09 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Beaver

I have no insider knowledge, but from everything I've read it's basically Adidas basketball >>>> MSU Compliance

Partially. That, and you have to be a complete idiot to get caught cheating in hoops. There are so many middlemen and everything is funneled through AAU.

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