I just still dont understand the bitter Stands supporters

Hoo Boy Coach , just got this off another thread. " Stands decided to retire instead of adhere to the new guidelines the AD and Pres were putting into place for the basketball program. Nobody yet has hired him to be their HC- and Kennedy at A&M just signed a contract extension a few months ago- so he isn't getting that job."

Enough said

How many times have you argued with me and others that he was fired, as you had inside info that he was. Either you were lying, badly misinformed or your "inside" source was if indeed there was one..

Everybody knows Stansbury was fired. It went down almost exactly like Cutcliffe at ole miss and nobody debates that he was fired.

He was told to make changes X, Y and Z or be gone. He chose not to make those changes so he was fired. He was allowed to "retire" out of respect.

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

Everybody knows Stansbury was fired. It went down almost exactly like Cutcliffe at ole miss and nobody debates that he was fired.

He was told to make changes X, Y and Z or be gone. He chose not to make those changes so he was fired. He was allowed to "retire" out of respect.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

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Yes, and that is a firing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

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If Ray wanted to practice 5 v 5 he should of just signed more players and not kicked off 25% of the roster. Tennessee signed eight players in 3 weeks. Auburn signed six players. Our rebuild was just as tough as any other P5 rebuild. No tougher no easier. Comparing MSU to Baylor is like comparing MSU football after Croom to Penn State after Paterno.

Before, you just said fired, no choice, fired. If you have a choice of do work that you don't approve of or leave , I don't think any personnel office would consider that fired. Happens all the time.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

I will let it go when we have a program of the same caliber we once had. That was the goal wasn't it? To improve the program? It shouldn't be that hard according to yours and Coach's description of Stansbury's capabilities. I'd hate to find out that this was about personalities.

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First -- link me to "my thoughts about Stansbury's capabilities" please? Ahh -- not only did you pull the ideal of me as some kind of pawn out of your ass -- you are now attributing positions to me that I didn't actually take. Again. Actually, that's basically all you ever do.

It's cool that you were happy hanging out between #75 and #125 for 6 of the final 7 years of your hero -- but don't bitch about people wanting more than that. Stansbury had proven that we could be better than that and so had Williams. The fact that we aren't better right now is immaterial to before being "good enough".

It's amazing to me that when a coach has a couple of really good years at msu, it entitles them to lifetime contracts in the eyes of a shockingly large percentage of our fanbase, regardless of them not winning at nearly the level we had become accustomed to anymore.

Whether it was good to move on or not, no one could predict the future, should be dead and buried, but watching that SEC rerun of the Ala game last night ,sure makes me miss the old days.

I am too old to expect that I will ever see that level again. Maybe with the girls , but not the men.

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Originally Posted by engie

It's amazing to me that when a coach has a couple of really good years at msu, it entitles them to lifetime contracts in the eyes of a shockingly large percentage of our fanbase, regardless of them not winning at nearly the level we had become accustomed to anymore.

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Not disagreeing with you, but it's also amazing to me that we will hire guys and pay them millions of dollars to coach in the SEC and tell them they have X amount of years of a cushion before it really matters if they win.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Before, you just said fired, no choice, fired. If you have a choice of do work that you don't approve of or leave , I don't think any personnel office would consider that fired. Happens all the time.

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He was fired- because everybody knew there was no way he would accept it. It was "do this like we tell you or you are fired"- Stands chose to be fired. Thats why his contract was paid out.

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Originally Posted by thunderclap

Not disagreeing with you, but it's also amazing to me that we will hire guys and pay them millions of dollars to coach in the SEC and tell them they have X amount of years of a cushion before it really matters if they win.

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Which, if we actually did say that, is absolutely stupid and worthy of every bit of criticism it receives. But most of the sources saying that we did that with Ray are the same ones that were initially trying to convince us that Stricklin had given him an extension after the first year. And also the same ones making the constant Croom comparisons. Making their motivations and "information" questionable at best.

Strick has cleaned house of underperforming coaches in all the small sports. You could argue that he let a couple stick around one year too long(Hazlewood), but he makes the tough calls all the same. He's made homerun hires in every single one of those sports, with men's tennis still being questionable to me. That's in sports that don't matter and do nothing but hurt the bottom line...

It's simply amazing to me the faction of our fanbase has deluded itself into believing that an MSU alum, who has been here through all of our good times in basketball, and whose access to his father-in-law gives him as much perspective on 50 years of our basketball program as anyone in existence, has put on a tremendous set of blinders for men's basketball simply because "he made the hire", and is otherwise purposefully sabotaging the program and will be unwilling to make a change when time comes for that change to be made. Literally every shred of evidence on Strick has shown that he's willing to admit and fix HIS mistakes -- and he's willing to make tough calls when they need to be made. Yet, we've got a faction that's just positive that isn't true for basketball -- for no logical reason...

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nobody likes losing. Nobody is happy about the state of the program currently. We have traded constant drama and embarrassment around the program for losing on the court and falling to the bottom of the SEC. It sux.

But how anybody can claim Stands needed another year is beyond me. I dont get it. The team full of Sword, Fred, Ware, Wendell Lewis, and Jalen Steele was going to be a shitty one no matter who coached it. But besides that:

I cant fathom how anybody can try to justify giving Stands another year after Renardo Sidney. Think about this and the lack of control our HC had- we had to leave Sidney behind to stay here in the States when our team went to Europe to bond and play in the Fall. Why did we have to leave him behind you ask? Because we were terrified he would be drug tested by the NCAA on the trip- as teams are subject to be. How can you be so powerless as a HC to allow that to stay on your team? The embarrassment of the stories of Sidney going to "workout" with John Lucas??? Moultrie being suspended for failing multiple drug tests. You dont get a 3 game suspension for one failed test ya know. If you cant see that a change HAD TO BE MADE after all that- I just dont know what to tell you. Getting rid of Sidney wasnt going to make it get better- Sidney didnt make the other guys do drugs. Ray had to kick 2 others off for multiple failed tests once he got the job. It wasnt going to get any better under Stands.

Lastly- before you bash Stricklin again- think about that. He just got rid of a coach that had let things get so bad- nobody on the damn team could pass a drug test. He had just had a HC come to him and explain he was leaving one of his starting basketball players behind on the Europe trip because he was too much of a drug risk. But that he was still going to keep him on the team. So when Strick was having to make another hire- you can bet all this played a part in his decision-making.

Ray may not be the answer- but we made the correct decision in making the coaching change. We dont have the drama surrounding our program anymore and that is tremendous improvement. We just have to get more talented players on campus- whomever can do that and coach them.

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You will never understand. I will never understand people like you. That is just the way it is. Some people have a sense of loyalty to persons or institutions. Some people has a sense of loyalty to their own over inflated ego. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He was fired- because everybody knew there was no way he would accept it. It was "do this like we tell you or you are fired"- Stands chose to be fired. Thats why his contract was paid out.

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I strongly disagree with the premise of "everyone knowing there was no way he would accept it". Given that we had CLEARLY done no preliminary legwork toward lining up our next coach, having feelers out, etc...it seems pretty obvious to me that Stricklin not only expected Stans to accept it -- but he was shocked when he didn't. And caught with his pants down in the process of making the next hire...

There had been some legwork done- the options just disappeared once they talked to Strick about the job and the way it was presented. I also think our Admin was very surprised at how badly our program was looked from the dissaray of the last few years of Stands

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Originally Posted by engie

First -- link me to "my thoughts about Stansbury's capabilities" please? Ahh -- not only did you pull the ideal of me as some kind of pawn out of your ass -- you are now attributing positions to me that I didn't actually take. Again. Actually, that's basically all you ever do.

It's cool that you were happy hanging out between #75 and #125 for 6 of the final 7 years of your hero -- but don't bitch about people wanting more than that. Stansbury had proven that we could be better than that and so had Williams. The fact that we aren't better right now is immaterial to before being "good enough".

It's amazing to me that when a coach has a couple of really good years at msu, it entitles them to lifetime contracts in the eyes of a shockingly large percentage of our fanbase, regardless of them not winning at nearly the level we had become accustomed to anymore.

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You have 6,666 posts. I'm not going to go through them. Your reputation proceeds you.

The fact that we aren't better now is the root of the issue.

Lifetime contract? You are now attributing positions to a shockingly large percentage of our fanbase.

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Originally Posted by thunderclap

Not disagreeing with you, but it's also amazing to me that we will hire guys and pay them millions of dollars to coach in the SEC and tell them they have X amount of years of a cushion before it really matters if they win.

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It's also amazing that those who call Stansbury a "recruiter" as a derogatory term, now expect everyone to give Ray another year based solely on his recruiting.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Before, you just said fired, no choice, fired. If you have a choice of do work that you don't approve of or leave , I don't think any personnel office would consider that fired. Happens all the time.

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Bottom line: he got r u n t o f f .

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

You have 6,666 posts. I'm not going to go through them. Your reputation proceeds you.

The fact that we aren't better now is the root of the issue.

Lifetime contract? You are now attributing positions to a shockingly large percentage of our fanbase.

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no wonder--he has one more 6 than the anti-christ

Because the obvious next move in basketball is to bring in the next coach at the end of this year. Strick failing to do that will be his third major mistake in a row for mbb.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

no wonder--he has one more 6 than the anti-christ

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" ... and please protect us, keep us and save us from Engie ...."

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

You have 6,666 posts. I'm not going to go through them. Your reputation proceeds you.

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Annnddd -- the typical "I don't know how to search" post when you are pulling straw man positions out of your ass and attributing them to me. Which I think we all knew was coming.

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The fact that we aren't better now is the root of the issue.

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The root of what issue? Being worse now doesn't make before "good enough".

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Lifetime contract? You are now attributing positions to a shockingly large percentage of our fanbase.

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One record better than 9-7 in a floundering SEC in the final 8 years. Yet, here you are, THREE years later pining away for a guy that is long since gone -- while wishing ill on the current regime and program. Otherwise, you'd show up to talk about it in good times and bad and actively pull for the team -- but you only come around during the struggling periods in order to grind your ax about water LONG SINCE under the bridge. We beat LSU and Tennessee at 10 point dogs -- you are nowhere to be found. Yes, it's safe to say that you felt "a lifetime contract" was in order for basketball. And if you'd been posting on these boards for long enough -- you would have been one of the very ones bitching about Cohen and wishing for Raffo too. You fit the profile to a T.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Because the obvious next move in basketball is to bring in the next coach at the end of this year. Strick failing to do that will be his third major mistake in a row for mbb.

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No, it isn't. And no it wouldn't be. This is only obvious if he loses out or goes 1-5 in the final 6 in ugly fashion and bows out early in the SEC tourney. That's unlikely.

He isn't getting fired for 8-10 in the SEC(the most likely scenario IMO) -- and to suggest that it's a "no brainer" is ridiculous. It's not going to convince anyone that he's 100% the guy to take us forward -- but it's enough improvement that firing him for it would sabotage another coaching search on the front end. No thanks. I'll get Weatherspoon, Tookie, Strugg, Hicks, and Simonds(and a couple more to come) into school/signed on the dotted line first. And then revisit the topic at this time next year when the cupboard is in better shape than it has been at any point thusfar...