I agree with your post in many ways here... I have difficulty going to church bc of this. I've chosen to read the Bible and do my best to follow the 10 commandments instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
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I agree with your post in many ways here... I have difficulty going to church bc of this. I've chosen to read the Bible and do my best to follow the 10 commandments instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Good way to live Ralph.
I'm real curious to see where this goes from a football standpoint. Tim Tebow is basically toxic to the NFL now. I don't think it's because of his beliefs I think it's because of the media circus he brings. Coaches don't want to spend entire press conferences talking about 2nd or 3rd string quarterbacks. I also don't think they want to spend entire press conferences talking about whether a marginal defensive end is going to make the team. I also think that during training camp players are going to tire of killing themselves at practice only to come off the field and get questioned about Sam, just like they did with Tebow. If Sam wants to be an advocate for gay rights I think he's on the right track. If he really wants to be an NFL player I think he needs to consider how every one of his decisions will affect that prospect. I'm not saying this is fair, I just think its reality.
I agree with M Fillmore. I think we are on a one-way ticket to beastiality. So we are best served to not only ban STRAIGHT marriage, but all forms of human contact as well. ***Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
The Mormons have been telling us this for a long time*****Quote:
Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice
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I disagree with this whole post. Marriage may not be natural for dogs, but it is perfectly natural for my wife and me, as well as countless other happy couples. Man must progress beyond his simple animal nature. Furthermore, polygamy has nothing to do with gay marriage. Marriage is between two people. When you start experimenting beyond that, you're a swinger looking for validation. I'm not ever going to agree with sanctioning polygamy or beastiality, or however the hell you spell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
You're giving liberalism a bad name. Why do you want to just indiscriminately attack people's deepest beliefs with this shit? Does it make you feel smarter than people who have emotion? I feel like you only know the intellectual content of what you are talking about without any idea of the feelings behind it. Feelings matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
A christian with the screen name drunkernhelldog that curses in his post is offended. Beautiful.
I think what he is trying to say is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
He's shot through the heart
And you're to blame
You give liberalism a bad name (bad name)
Because being drunkernhell (so long as you aren't hurting or a threat to others) and cursing aren't sins that should be legislated against, but gay marriage is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Here's my stance on the matter:
1. Homosexuality is sinful. In my mind, that's not up for debate. It's also not relevant to any discussion about the legality of gay marriage.
2. These particular sinners should ABSOLUTELY have the same rights as all the other sinners out there (myself and every other Christian included) in the eyes of the state.
That's where I believe you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I'm not a "Christian" the way you think. I'm for gay marriage, as I've said many times. I'm not offended either. I'm peeved that you're causing people to equate liberalism with sneering down at all who don't agree with your way of looking at things. I think your way of looking at things is shallow. I am a humanist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
And that's a 100% perfectly fine stance to take. No one is asking Christians who view homosexuality as a sin to change that view. We're asking them to take an objective, fair view of the world, and not treat homosexuals differently from other sinners, like divorcees and those who have pre-marital sex. Those sinners aren't prevented from marriage, having children, having legal spousal rights, tax benefits, etc etc etc by the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickiedawg
Marriage is actually one of the few things found in every culture, and in an overwhelmingly large number of cultures, it is a bond between two people. If it's not natural for two people to stay together then why would it be a rarity in cultures across the world for there to not be marriage between two people? I also highly doubt they have found genetic evidence that says it's not natural.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice
But where is he wrong, Goat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Culture changes, man; it's inevitable. What was viewed as 'sin' a thousand years ago, by that particular society, at that particular time, will never be reflected exactly the same today. Obvious examples from the Bible are slavery, women's rights, punishments for adultery, certain food and clothing types, etc. Hell, even a few decades ago, a number of Christian denominations viewed interracial marriage as sinful. That's the problem with a literal interpretation of a cultural/religious text.
I can respect that opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickiedawg
To me, it borders on idiotic to equate polygamy with gay marriage. Marriage is between two people, the essential words being "two" and "people".Quote:
Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)
Not just 2 people, but 2 consenting adults who love each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
Also, the fools denoting the slippery-slope fallacy that gay marriage will lead to beastiality, probably said the same thing about interracial couples. Get a grip.
Yeah. Better him than me.
Nature (God) prevents them from having childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
adoption....or artificial insemination for lesbians, or surrogate mothers for menQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
****Adoption; don't be obtuse*****Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Also, in reference to nature, the Pan paniscus (i.e., Bonobo), our closest evolutionary relative, demonstrates these actions as well.
Glad y'all took care if that one for me. Should have known I'd need to spell it out for a braves fan.
I didn't know having children was required for people to love one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You used the "e" word. You think that's going to get through to him? That's kinda like when a Christian says, "of course it's true, it's in the Bible!"Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Same sex relations is common in a lot of animal species. Homophobia is a very modern concept, mainly due to Christianity and Islam being the biggest two religions in the world, both of which call gay marriage a sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Bonobos have sex as a social tool, similar to other species of monkeys grooming each other.
In Papua New Guiana, there are some cultures where heterosexual sex is viewed about the way homosexual sex is viewed in America.
Damn, you're right. Ken Ham just shit his pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
My favorite thing in all of this is when people use The Bible as an excuse for being anti-gay. Homosexuality is an abomination, right? Well, so is eating shrimp, oysters, etc.
Usually, when you point this out, the typical response is "well, times were different back then!" Yeah, maybe so -- so maybe that's why you shouldn't continue cherry-picking Bible verses to support your close-mindedness.
Not only that, but when you point out some of those other "sins", the typical response is: "well that was the Old Testament, before Jesus died", etc., etc.,....I guess homophobia is exempt from that clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
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Originally Posted by DawgSaint
This was the first openly gay NFL player. Everyone knows the reason he was on the t.v. It's great. Now we can all move on. Just like anything else the media latches on. 1st time, its something new. 2nd time, less of a big deal. 3rd time, there will not even be a mention that said player is gay.
Being under the law vs grace. After Jesus paid the sin debt, Christians live under grace nowQuote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Serious question: What translation of 1 Corinthians doesn't sound like this?
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Cor 6:9-11
This is way off topic, but I'm very interested in what you've said here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralph
I've heard people mention things to this end, and it breaks my heart on a couple of levels.
1. It's a crying shame that Christianity in general has this bad reputation of being disingenuous and hypocritical, to the point that would-be church members are turned away.
2. Reading your Bible and doing your best to follow the 10 commandments, despite your good intentions, won't save you. The only thing that will is a relationship with Jesus Christ. Since you appear to believe in God and the Bible, that saddens me even more than some in this thread who apparently have no such belief.
I don't say any of this to be judgmental. Just expressing my beliefs since it was brought up.
Many people view this as ethnocentric in nature; even the new Pope has expressed something similar. There are many non-Christians throughout the world who are amazing people, and I refuse to believe they aren't "as good as others" in the eyes of God. Hell, David Duke is a "Christian" (not saying he is an accurate representation of Christianity). Again, that's where the literal interpretation comes into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickiedawg
Well said. No individual's best effort will get him to heaven. Only God's grace and your faith in Jesus as Savior AND Lord of your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickiedawg
You cry about intolerance, bigotry, and hate speech and then spew this? Lol. Tell me, where do you stand on irony?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
For the record, your thinly veiled insults don't make you look that smart. I have an IQ in the top 2% and have some masters level theoretical physics under my belt...and I still have faith. So don't fool yourself into thinking you're more intelligent than someone just because they're religious.
I agree, it's wrong to assume someone is stupid just because they're religious. For me, however, it's always been about whether you follow a literal interpretation (yes, I keep saying this...) of the Biblical text that denotes intelligence. If you use the Bible for faith, spiritual enlightenment, and a model for altruism and helping others, I applaud you, but there are many who don't. They latch onto passages and concepts that make no sense, and thus, cause many people to question their intelligence. You for example, with all your knowledge of physics and science, if I heard you talking about how Genesis "proves" the Earth is 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and man lived together (e.g., Ken Ham), I would obviously think you weren't very smart. It's the same as when people who spoke out against heliocentrism were labeled as heretics and put to death. Or people who thought the earth was flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg