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Kentucky completely dominated them. Held them below 200 total yards snd out-gained them by 216. This board was making fun of stoops for losing than game, and now this board is defending Lebby for losing a game up 17 in the 4thQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement. Or have any foresight or projection. I was out on Moorehead after 4 games. I could see he couldn?t run a program or coach. I?ve watched Lebby for nearly 2 seasons. We haven?t won many games but I?m impressed with a lot of things he?s doing. Does he need to improve in some areas? Yes! But that?s the price of hiring an assistant. He?s going through the learning curve. But he?s a leader, runs an offense that moves the ball against more talented teams, and he?s managing the staff well and inspires the players to play hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program. Not just you, but your butt buddy, and all the idiots on social media.
Our own fans were booing Shapen. I?m embarrassed by half of our fanbase and posters like you and your lover.
You're right they aren't close. Stoops has won dozens of games for Kentucky over the years and taken them to 8 bowls. Kentucky fans who want to keep him at least have a tangible reason why, instead of what they imagine he might be able to do one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Shapen got booed bc of me? Wow, didn't know I led this revolution from EDQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Because for the 100th time, we are only "improved" because Lebby was so bad last year! A world where Lebby beats Toledo and Arkansas last year would make me a whole lot more comfortable with him going forward, not less, even though there wouldn't be any "improvement" anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
You can't say that last year doesn't count and was totally meaningless because our roster was so bad that any coach would have gotten humiliated by a mid-level MAC team, but then also say that actually Lebby is doing a great job from improving on that now that NIL and the portal gave him a better roster.
Yeah, thats what I said moron. Why even bother. You are a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Shapen deserved to be booed during the Florida game, but really not against Texas at all. Also, I didn't hear any booing of Shapen yesterday anyway.
I think I'm a nobody that doesn't influence our program one way or the other here on ED. Message boards are relics of the past now. If I had a following on X, maybe, but I don't even post crap thereQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I guess it?s hard for me to accept that people that bother to post on an MSU message board are this dumb. But alas. Hopefully you only represent 1% of our fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started. And he?s done this without our 2 best portal players, Whitson and Fluff. Plus our projected starter at OT in steen.
It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.
I think it’s was on the first two drives. Not really afterQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
[QUOTE=msstate7;1674004]I think I'm a nobody QUOTE]
We agree on something
[QUOTE=HoopsDawg;1674007]Also hoops, "Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program."Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We know things now about Texas and Florida that we didn't know about Texas and Florida at the beginning of the season. And the circumstances of the losses matter too. You're greatly oversimplifying what has occurred this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Rational take. I would’ve definitely taken that deal at the beginning of the season. We may still even win 2 more. Hell, maybe by some miracle we win all 4. These last few weeks have sucked. We’re legitimately a couple plays away from a potential playoff berth.
Nobody was talking about firing Lebby 2 weeks ago. Maybe you really were in the twilight zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
After the UF game is what I meantQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
[QUOTE=msstate7;1674008]I asked you several legit questions and you just deflect to that and change the meaning. TypicalQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Yep, I really think losing Whitson cost us Tennessee, possibly UF. And not having Fluff and Whitson cost us Texas. Having players can help you overcome bad decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
That is actually you oversimplifying. We lost. Fire coach. Thats the simplest, most typical fan response possible. Requires zero thought or evaluation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
KT's throws go off of the other team better and are more catchable than when Shapen throws them off of people.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'm being sarcastic but there's probably some MSU fan out there thinking that for real.
And what coach out there thinks we should have beat Tennessee, A&M on the road, Florida on the road, and Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
[QUOTE=HoopsDawg;1674017]At some point, improvement has to turn a 0 into a 1. Catching a school like Florida where it was known that it was tbd coach's last game is a win for the taking. Yesterday, up 17 in the 4th. Man, if not then, when? I didn't hold tenn against him. I won't hold any after this week against him. Arkansas under an interim is a must win for Lebby. In the new CFB world getting players to come here after starting 0--16 is gonna cost twice as much as it did this year. Seriously, what players are gonna wanna sign up for that in a season where all other sec programs are brining in new coaches and shiny upsized NIL budgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Saying that I haven't thought out my position and explained it thoroughly is really making you look silly, even to other Lebby supporters reading this thread. You can disagree with me if you want, but I'm very obviously not being "simple" or "zero thought" on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Almost everyone thinks we should have beaten a 2-4 Florida team that was already known to be firing their coach. A lot of people nationally expected us to beat an overrated, underachieving Texas team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Most competent coaches would have won both games.
And we weren't favored to win either game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We would have been favored against both if we had a better coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Sadly, Leach's death (in addition to being a huge tragedy for his family) killed our football program and tore apart our fanbase in a way that we still haven't recovered from.
No I get it, fire Lebby bc Texas is worse than people thought. Makes total sense. You really have no concept of our NIL, budget, or the roster that Lebby inherited. Expecting those wins is laughable. You are mad at the nature of those losses which is fine bc you are just a random, typical fan. But wanting Lebby fired and others wanting Shapen benched is pure insanity at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It's "laughable" to expect to beat a 2-4 team that's has already been leaked to be firing its coach. Yeah, I sure am an "insane" person for thinking we should win a game that meant everything to us and nothing to our opponent, especially when they had already lost to a team worse than us with a lower NIL budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
It was totally "insane" that I, like almost everyone on this forum, predicted that we would win a home game over a team that has underachieved all season and is locked into playing an overrated QB that they way overspent on.
I don't gamble but I'm pretty sure that's not how Las Vegas works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Leach was a good enough coach he could have kept us afloat while we got our NIL up to speed. But that's not what happened.
Also, part of the reason why we are in the situation we are in is because didn't do a national search right off the bat to replace Leach. Making stupid decisions like that killed our program too. And we had impatient fans wanting Arnett to be promoted while the voices of reason said not to. Some of those same voices of reason are also saying not to fire Lebby yet either.
No, I think most of the pro-Lebby people are the same ones who spent 2020 through 2022 wanting to fire Leach. At least there is a strong inverse correlation (not perfect, but strong) on this board and on SPS between poster's feelings on Leach and their feelings on Lebby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Well, that's certainly not me as I have been a Leach fan for a long time and have defended him ad nauseum. I have noticed that correlation at all. But maybe it's there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
To me, Lebby's offense has some similarities to Leach's offense in some ways even though it is also very different.
I assume you are talking about Mullinz, correct? The guy who lost at least 3 EB's while texting to AD's trying to find a new job. Not even close to the best. Research my namesake, who won our only national title ( which our athletic dept. should start claiming).Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Mullinz is the wrong answer.
Ok fine. My father wasn't even born then. So I don't count back that far.Quote:
Originally Posted by mckeen