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12-11-2023, 10:21 AM
Randolph Dupree

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Originally Posted by Randolph Dupree

I believe things will return to the mean like they almost always do. I think we're starting to see some of the first signs of it now. Look at TAMU and the Jimbo contract. They're not going to spend that much again and have a limit on the assistant coach pool ($11M total). Also hearing LSU is having some NIL issues. I think we are a cycle or two away from starting to see some logic being applied. Think multi year deals that lock players in or have a financial penalty for leaving. Also, may see more teams like Bama, UGA etc. saying if you go into the portal you lose your spot. At some point, not just for the dollar aspect, but you e gotta think the coaches are going to get tired of recruiting and re-recruiting the same kids year after year.

I'm all for the kids cashing in. Yeah they get the scholly and perks that come with it but anybody here that believes the universities are putting academics first are fooling themselves. When you figure in class time and other requirements these kids are putting 12 hour days and a lot of that is before they get to homework. Also, their body and ability is their commodity. That can be taken from them in one snap of the ball. They deserve to make money...within reason.

Also will add that Cohen was a terrible AD. Just terrible, and it couldn't have come at a worse time with all the changes that came at the time. Beer sales, NIL, etc. We were late to the game with all of those. The guy had no vision or strategic plan. When you're in a role like that you have to have those things. Anyway, point is we can come back from it but it's going to take some time. I believe Selmon is going to get us there.
12-11-2023, 10:29 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

No there?s not. See I can do that too. I can spew bullshit with no real evidence at any time.

It's not BS. It's understanding the new system. You can 100% build a program in the NIL age. And it's not really that difficult to understand either. Just because there is NIL and Portal doesn't mean there is not way. Here it is. Build your team around high 3 to 4 star players out of the portal that have 2 to 3 years left. They can not transfer again until they are a GT.
12-11-2023, 10:33 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

Dan had 69 wins here in 9 years. That's 7.6-5.1. The last 8 years his average was 8-4.9. Bowl games are relevant. The trend of players sitting out is still fairly recent. I don't think that was a big deal until maybe the last year or two of Mullen's tenure.

The debate was whether we could "be a 7-5/8-4 program in this era." I said we could. That literally was my first statement on the topic at issue. Course disagreed and said that was the past and things are different now. I responded with a challenge to point out to me how we cannot possibly equal the best time in our history and average 7.1-4.9. He retorted that he couldnt explain it but that I should be able to see it for myself. C34 then chimed in to our debate with an irrelevant metric that Dan won 5 bowl games during his time here. I pointed out that has nothing to do with whether we can be a 7.1-4.9 program.

Bowl games literally, factually, cannot be relevant to a debate of whether we can be a 7-5/8-4 program, not unless we switch to 11 regular season games. They can certainly be relevant to other debates though, such as whether or not they are important to make or a coach's overall win total at a school.
12-11-2023, 10:37 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

No. He won 59 regular season games his last 8 years, 64 over 9 years, which is what the conversation was about. We were discussing whether 7-5/8-4 was possible anymore. Whether a bowl game is won or lost has nothing to do with that. And a lot of players and coaches don't even participate in bowl games. Irrelevant metric outside of playoff.

You say Lebby won't average any more than 7 wins?Is that some big statement? The debate started when I said Dan averaged 7.1-4.9 and that I see no reason that we can't be that going forward, and what was said by those on your side of the argument in response is that 7-5/8-4 was no longer doable, that we couldn't be what we've been in the past anymore due to the new era of cfb. The best sustained run we've ever had was Dan's 7.1-4.9 run. That's doable. And our past as a whole is worse than that, more like 6-6 which is certainly doable.
No sane person is arguing we will be a 9 or 10 win program.

In today's World, MSU has to have a coach that can come in and teach the system effectively using what he has. He has to be a great recruiter that understands the Portal is now your "High School" source in that they can not transfer again. But anybody saying we can not duplicate Mullen win or loss record refuses to look at Leach's last year. 9-4... in the NIL and PORTAL WORLD.
12-11-2023, 10:47 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

In today's World, MSU has to have a coach that can come in and teach the system effectively using what he has. He has to be a great recruiter that understands the Portal is now your "High School" source in that they can not transfer again. But anybody saying we can not duplicate Mullen win or loss record refuses to look at Leach's last year. 9-4... in the NIL and PORTAL WORLD.

I don't disagree. I would say that we don't know if leach could sustain being a 7.1-4.9 program in the portal era because he died before having the chance.
But I agree with your larger point that we can be a 7.1-4.9 regular season program in this era.

And if the debate is taken out of the context regular season only context, I also agree it is possible to average 7.67-5.1 counting bowl games, which is what Dan did.
12-11-2023, 11:13 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I don't disagree. I would say that we don't know if leach could sustain being a 7.1-4.9 program in the portal era because he died before having the chance.
But I agree with your larger point that we can be a 7.1-4.9 regular season program in this era.

And if the debate is taken out of the context regular season only context, I also agree it is possible to average 7.67-5.1 counting bowl games, which is what Dan did.

There is a top QB in the portal, using it for an example. He has 3 years left. Pay him 1.5 Million. If he comes here, you got your franchise QB. And there is more than enough just like him except the rating may be a 4 star... a high 3 star.

I hate it for HS students. Less opportunities due to the portal. I hate the system. I hate the results for college football. But it can still be done and done at MSU
12-11-2023, 11:27 AM
OhGee

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm very cynical about college football period but especially our program. And it has nothing to do with who we fired or who we hired. Free agency with no salary cap has ruined college football for mid and lower programs

Kiffin has a good solution to this and that is to primarily recruit the portal over HS signees. Players an only transfer once (unless their coach leaves). By taking guys for their one transfer, they are at Ole Miss period.
12-11-2023, 11:40 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I don’t think we would have lost Dak. It’s the other guys like a Bear Wilson or Fred Ross that we would have had trouble keeping plus some others on D

Bingo. J-Rob's flaky arse would've jumped first chance he got.
12-11-2023, 11:50 AM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

There is a top QB in the portal, using it for an example. He has 3 years left. Pay him 1.5 Million. If he comes here, you got your franchise QB. And there is more than enough just like him except the rating may be a 4 star... a high 3 star.

I hate it for HS students. Less opportunities due to the portal. I hate the system. I hate the results for college football. But it can still be done and done at MSU

The missing part of this for a lot of our fans is that yes, it does appear that we have raised close to 10 million for the BI which is awesome, but this is not a one off. We can't spend 10 million for next year's team and simply expect to reload the BI with another 10 million.

You commit to paying a QB 1.5 million A YEAR, then when next year comes, that is a big bill right off the top.

This is why I think the whole system is screwed, we may end up spending 7-8 million on next year's roster, and unless we land some real difference makers in the portal, we will struggle to go 6-6 or 7-5. Our schedule is tough and our roster is depleted. How do you keep going to alumni telling them we need another 8-10 million just to keep the team together for another year and go out and land impact players in the portal?

All the hype about Deion and all the players he brought into Colorado, and he went 4-8 with a damn good QB and a first round talent CB/WR in Hunter and that was in the Pac 12.
12-11-2023, 12:06 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by OhGee

Kiffin has a good solution to this and that is to primarily recruit the portal over HS signees. Players an only transfer once (unless their coach leaves). By taking guys for their one transfer, they are at Ole Miss period.

They get a 2nd chance to transfer once they become a grad
12-11-2023, 12:10 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

They get a 2nd chance to transfer once they become a grad

That's nothing new.
12-11-2023, 12:16 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That's nothing new.

Who said it was? Jus ttalking about hoe we have a FA system in college football thats hurting it severely
12-11-2023, 01:44 PM
smootness

Good grief, who is talking about poor ol Mittittippi Tate now?
12-12-2023, 09:44 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Stonka Burnside, JJ Harrell, Frisco Magee, and Mario Craver are a hell of a WR haul, and the trolls on this board can't say otherwise.

3 four stars and a high three star with multiple SEC offers and was committed to OM. Can't ask for much better than that.

THAT is why we kept Bump for those who wanted to bitch about keeping him

I get that we didn't look great last year at WR, but we didn't look good anywhere. Bump has been learning from a good coach. I'm not ready to write off his coaching ability because he didn't manage to provide more polish to the turd this year. We clearly were just dysfunctional all over the program and not every coach on last year's staff is going to turn out to be a shitty coach. Some of them were just victims of circumstance.

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