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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Cooterpoot again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I'm sorry, you lost me when you mentioned burning down the refs house from this past weekends game in another thread. Apologies, as I no longer consider you a person capable of rational thought....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Not throwing shade. Simply stating facts. MSU was 8-3 with losses to:Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
@OSU 5-6
@UK 7-4
@LSU 4-7
You are the one throwing shade on a team that hasn't even finished the season yet
This team will not reach its goal. 98 made it to Atlanta. You can pump this team up and down '98 all you want... I'll be more proud of 1998 for doing something we've never doneQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
The point is, this is likely the best team he will ever have here. It's a generational defense, possibly even the best we ever had. He was supposed to be an offensive guru, yet our offense went backwards this year. Horribly. Yes, he put up some numbers against some really bad defenses. But he also let two very average teams beat us in Kentucky and Florida. He let one guy beat us in the Kentucky game. Eiland was getting beat every play, and our offensive guru refused to make an easy adjustment to give him some help. His stubbornness cost us that game. The Florida game was an abomination from start to finish. The LSU and Alabama games were over during the first quarter. It was obvious that we were losing both from almost the first snap. If we had lost to Kentucky, LSU, and Alabama in a respectable manner, and won the Florida game, I think the outlook would be much different. But it's been obvious since the first quarter of the Kentucky game that Joe's offense is trash against a good defense. And guess what? In the SEC, you are going to see a lot of good defenses. He's going to have to figure out how to move the ball against good defenses. So far, he hasn't shown that ability. He's just poor mouthing our team and the fans. I wouldn't be surprised if he left after this season, because he probably realizes that he didn't give SEC defenses enough credit. He's a better fit for the PAC12, B10, or B12. IF we finish 8-4 (and that's a big if in my mind, I fully expect a repeat of last year's egg bowl at this point), then I won't be too upset with the record. But HOW we got there will still upset me. And again, there is a >90% chance that this will be the best team he ever coaches at MSU. There will not be a team in the CFP with a better defense than ours. He took a NY6 bowl, or better, caliber team and crapped the bed with it. That doesn't say it's time to fire him, but it definitely says it's already time to be concerned. If you don't think so, you really just have your head in the sand at this point. We're already talking about a true freshman or transfer QB coming in to "save" the offense next season. That's not a warning sign?Quote:
Originally Posted by CowtownDawg
Im not pumping this team, or downing the 98' team. People like you just need to step off the ledge about this years' team and quit having revisionist history about 98'.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The truth is that the landscape of the SEC changed A LOT from 98' to now, and the West became the more dominant side over the East. That wasn't the case in 1998. The East was WAY better. So us winning the West in 98' was pretty much the equivalent of Missouri winning the East in 2013. Not saying it wasn't a great accomplishment, or that I am not proud of it because I am.
That doesn't change the fact that MSU took advantage of a weaker division to make a run to the SECC Game. We lost 3 regular season games to teams with a combined record of 16-17 in 1998. 2018 has lost 4 games to teams that are 32-8.
18' has been disappointing due to some really high expectations, but it's not the absolute train wreck some want to make it out to be.
Which of the 4 losses were not absolute trainwrecks on the offensive side of the ball? Again, 4 losses is not necessarily the cause of concern here. Will your opinion change if we end up with 5, 6, or even 7 losses?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
7, 6, 3, 0 ... that's our offensive production in losses and in order. We make fun of OM's defense, but our offense has been equally incompetent in the secQuote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
I never said there was no cause for concern. I think watching the offense at times this year there certainly is reason to be suspicious. If we lose out it will certainly test my faith, but I still don't want him fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
But,
Having some concerns about the offense going forward, and firing a year 1 coach that will likely place third in the SEC West are two completely different things.
Yeah it's not like there are other variables that play into your statement at all. Don't pretend like it's the same team. You're only fooling yourself by doing that. Your comment neglects the fact that our D has in fact lived up to the expectations that were set. I'm not arguing that offensive play calling isn't one of the very major factors to the problem. Moorhead definitely doesn't appear to be able to adjust and work with what he has. In a sense, that is as one dimensional as our offense has been this year. And even when it does show up, it's still one dimensional (sans one or two games this season). Major problem and not arguing that. What I've said isn't that unreasonable. Sorry if that upsets you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Expecting us to be able to coast and assuming we're the same team and will have the same or better success as last year IS toxic for reasons you've seen come to fruition this season. We don't play the same teams we played last year so why would you hold it to the same standard. Especially when we have never been a team that is historically known to finish. If you want to hang your hat on appearing in a SEC championship game and losing as MSU football's best accomplishment and get upset when someone points that out, that's on you. It's still a fact. Anyone wanting to lecture me about "that kind of mindset doesn't win championships" just keep it to yourself. Neither does assuming because we return a lot of talent we get an automatic W or this year will be easier.
How is it that you can be upset at a coach for having high expectations but not be upset at yourself for having the same expectations and acting like you were robbed of something that was never yours to begin with? That is obviously the problem with having expectations. Why would a new coach come in and change that his first year? That's is again on anyone who thought that this transition would be guaranteed success and not having some sort of reservations.
Thanks for repeating what I said in a different way??? Maybe you are just responding to my comment and not acknowledging the reason I said it in response to some one else's comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I think taking a step away from college sports for a while might do you some good if you get this upset over 18-22 YO throwing a ball around. Unless of course you are a player on the team then I grant you a pass for your anger and frustration since you have worked so hard in the off season etc. to have a big year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
It is one thing to be frustrated for a bit after a game it is a whole other issue when it consumes you daily throughout the season.
Don't think you are Elite enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
When I was sitting in Atlanta in '98 with a lead over TN for the SEC championship late in the game, I still remember how it felt and it will always be a lot better than I feel about a 3rd place finish in the SEC West in 2018 with at best a 4-4 record.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
So will this 8-4 record feel better or worse than 2010, 2012, 2015, 2017? I personally think it does feel worse than 1998, 1999, and 2014. Of course those are the only seasons at MSU that I will have seen a better season. I guess there are some people that watched 1980 or 1941 but Joe having the 10th or so best season in school isn't too shabby starting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
We don't have 8 yet. I feel good about beating Arky, but Jo better understand the Egg Bowl game, find the offense, and be ready for an opponent that will do anything to beat us at their place or we could be in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Playing for the SEC Championship and being there was a better feeling than any 8-4 record since for me. Hope to be there again in the not so distant future. Jackie will always be my favorite coach until some other coach gets us there. Hail State!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Mississippi State......SEC Champions.....1941
Very true, we definitely need to take it one game at a time but I am off the Joe Bandwagon if we can't score against the #113 Defense in the country. We should be able to run the Wildcat with Kylin and Aeris and put up 28 points. Our defense isn't giving them more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Fify. Everybody else is doing it so why not us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull
Yeah, I was there, too. It was a great feeling and one that we probably will not feel again for many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg