Johnny Jones is the worst coach in the SEC

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03-20-2015, 11:29 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I didn't realize we had so many people here that would rather have Miles than Mullen

I don't. If you flipped coaches, Mullen would have lsu right there with bama. On miles' watch, lsu has fallen to 2nd tier in the sec
03-20-2015, 11:30 AM
RossDawg82

Who cares about 1 game. Why we are basing the success of our coach to a game against one team is beyond me. Justify in any way you wish, but at the end of the day, we are a horrible product from top to bottom. We have lost all support for the program, and the only reason that he is still coaching is because of Pride from our AD. There isn't anyone who cares at all about MSU basketball that can look in the mirror and say that they have any confidence that RR will turn this around or be even the slightest bit successful. He will not, and it is the players and the fans that have to suffer. So enjoy another year of 1500 fans during conference games and a 13 win season, because I honestly think RR has peaked at MSU. This is like a bad marriage, sometimes you just know that its not going to work.
03-20-2015, 11:59 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I didn't realize we had so many people here that would rather have Miles than Mullen

I'd rather have mullen, but because I can see that mullen has closed the gap in the on field results enough to make the intellectual leap from mullen taking our guys where he did this past season to what he could do if he had the advantages of lsu football. ray hasn't done anything to justify taking that intellectual leap.
03-20-2015, 12:14 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach34

These basketball discussions never cease to amaze me. Johnny Jones got in the Tourney- so therefore he is better at coaching the game than Ray says the Ray hatersBut if this was a football discussion before last August- every single damn one of you would defend Mullen and talk about what a better coach he is than Les Miles- he just doesn't have the talent Miles has. It's ****ing hilarious. Not a swinging dick on this site would say Miles was a better game coach than Mullen. But since he was going to better bowl games he must be better right????

This is apples and oranges because Miles, Mullen and Jones ALL WIN. Even before last August Mullen had taken us to 4 straight bowl games. When you talk Miles, Mullen, Jones and Ray there is one in there not like the others because that one has never come close to a winning season.
03-20-2015, 12:38 PM
Coach34

This is just hilarious. So many "Les Miles sux as a coach but wins with talent" posts over time here- but now suddenly he is awesome because you guys backed yourself into a corner. I love it.

9 out of 10 people in the city I live in would tell you Mullen is a better coach than Miles- and half would want him as the next LSU coach
03-20-2015, 12:40 PM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This is just hilarious. So many "Les Miles sux as a coach but wins with talent" posts over time here- but now suddenly he is awesome because you guys backed yourself into a corner. I love it.

9 out of 10 people in the city I live in would tell you Mullen is a better coach than Miles- and half would want him as the next LSU coach

That Miles/Mullen deflection is such obvious bait that I am literally shocked by how many people want to debate it with you
03-20-2015, 12:42 PM
Political Hack

Rick Ray's jock strap aint that big.
03-20-2015, 12:46 PM
tcdog70

one of the best x and os Coach i've ever seen is Bob Boyd--but with no talent that means your ass will lose. I saw JJ 's team execute an out of bound play. That is way more than Ricky Ray. Please tell us one good set RR runs on offense. Give an example of his excellent floor coaching ability. He is absolutely to worst Coach from top to bottom in the SEC. Coach you have found another way to up your hits, but Damn Man is it worth it? I didn't think your basketball post could get any more stupid.
03-20-2015, 12:51 PM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This is just hilarious. So many "Les Miles sux as a coach but wins with talent" posts over time here- but now suddenly he is awesome because you guys backed yourself into a corner. I love it.

9 out of 10 people in the city I live in would tell you Mullen is a better coach than Miles- and half would want him as the next LSU coach

And 9.9 out of 10 people in the city everyone lives in would tell you Jones is a better coach than Ray - and 99.9% would want to keep Jones as the LSU coach.

Refute it.
03-20-2015, 01:06 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

one of the best x and os Coach i've ever seen is Bob Boyd--but with no talent that means your ass will lose. I saw JJ 's team execute an out of bound play. That is way more than Ricky Ray. Please tell us one good set RR runs on offense. Give an example of his excellent floor coaching ability. He is absolutely to worst Coach from top to bottom in the SEC. Coach you have found another way to up your hits, but Damn Man is it worth it? I didn't think your basketball post could get any more stupid.

ya'll are some dumb mf'ers

1st of all- not one time in this thread have I said Ray is some great coach- I have said he coaches a game better than Johnny Jones- it ain't even close.

Ray has easily the worst 8-9 player rotation in the SEC- yet was a break or two from winning 8-9 SEC games. We absolutely in no way underachieved with the roster we put in the floor. So that obviously says the guy is at worst a decent coach. Is he awesome? **** no he isn't. But he does a better job of coaching the players he has than JJ does.

As far as a set he ran? The last game we played- Auburn. We ran a double post ball screen for IJ at the top of the key- IJ came of the screen to the left- Sword faked high and back cut- IJ hit him for an uncontested lay-up. There is your set you asked for.
03-20-2015, 01:10 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

And 9.9 out of 10 people in the city everyone lives in would tell you Jones is a better coach than Ray - and 99.9% would want to keep Jones as the LSU coach.

Refute it.

wrong- one of the Surgeons I work with laughs at Jones. His words today "an empty chair can coach better than Jones. I saw last night coming a mile away"
03-20-2015, 01:15 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Coach34

wrong- one of the Sturgeons I work with laughs at Jones. His words today "an empty chair can coach better than Jones. I saw last night coming a mile away"

Oh, so 1 person's comment out of a 1 person sample-size? Glad we got that cleared up.***

And where do you work that you can talk to fish?***
03-20-2015, 01:16 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

And where do you work that you can talk to fish?***

Haha
03-20-2015, 01:17 PM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

wrong- one of the Surgeons I work with laughs at Jones. His words today "an empty chair can coach better than Jones. I saw last night coming a mile away"

That still doesn't mean he would rather have Ray. It hasn't been established yet that Ray > empty chair.
03-20-2015, 01:17 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

It hasn't been established yet that Ray > empty chair.

You're on a roll.

ETA: I didn't realize RR was guest of honor at the RNC...

http://www.motherjones.com/files/cli...r-rnc-2012.jpg
03-20-2015, 01:18 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by Coach34

As far as a set he ran? The last game we played- Auburn. We ran a double post ball screen for IJ at the top of the key- IJ came of the screen to the left- Sword faked high and back cut- IJ hit him for an uncontested lay-up. There is your set you asked for.

There was actually quite a bit of these kinds of offensive improvements down the last stretch of the year, even as people on here continued to complain that Ray doesn't know how to run an offense. Likely because they either didn't want to acknowledge it or they were so tuned out at that point. It didn't really amount to much because no matter how good your offensive gameplan is, it doesn't mean anything if your guys can't put the ball in the hole, something our less-than-stellar talent level made difficult. While I'm not all that happy with Ray right now and wouldn't be devastated if a change was made now, I still think he can turn it around with the potential talent upgrades coming in over the next two years, because his offense isn't as bad as it looked this year or many of you claim it is.
03-20-2015, 01:25 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by thf24

There was actually quite a bit of these kinds of offensive improvements down the last stretch of the year, even as people on here continued to complain that Ray doesn't know how to run an offense. Likely because they either didn't want to acknowledge it or they were so tuned out at that point. It didn't really amount to much because no matter how good your offensive gameplan is, it doesn't mean anything if your guys can't put the ball in the hole, something our less-than-stellar talent level made difficult. While I'm not all that happy with Ray right now and wouldn't be devastated if a change was made now, I still think he can turn it around with the potential talent upgrades coming in over the next two years, because his offense isn't as bad as it looked this year or many of you claim it is.

I don't think I saw a team miss more point blank shots than us this year. If our guys could just make an easy shot/layup, our assists and point totals would look much better.

I certainly believe talent is the main issue. If ray wasn't showing life on the recruiting trail, I'd be ready to pull the trigger too. I really like tookie, weatherspoon, hicks, and Simonds. Ray needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land Malik, mulder, or juco pf
03-20-2015, 01:39 PM
SouthMsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Righttttttt

Jones played Ray this year with wayyyy more talent
A better bench
in front of 2500 people- so there really wasn't a significant home court advantage

and lost

I guess you are using the LSU win from this season as Ray's "Marquee Win" at MSU.

If spinning things that way makes you better have at it, however Johnny Jones has won a lot of games as a HC and now has coached 2 teams into the NCAA tournament. Ray is basing his job and career off just getting into the NIT next year. Jones has 2 McDonalds AAs coming in next year we have one all State guy coming in and a kid from Carver who averaged 6ppg this season.
03-20-2015, 01:42 PM
HancockCountyDog

If and when Newman signs with LSU, we will just have to hope that LSU has to suffer through another tourney season with a terrible coach.

I wish my suffering came with a tourney appearance as a prize. Every day I go to my mailbox looking for my Rick Ray prize, and every day it's empty.
03-20-2015, 01:42 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by Coach34

ya'll are some dumb mf'ers

1st of all- not one time in this thread have I said Ray is some great coach- I have said he coaches a game better than Johnny Jones- it ain't even close.

Ray has easily the worst 8-9 player rotation in the SEC- yet was a break or two from winning 8-9 SEC games. We absolutely in no way underachieved with the roster we put in the floor. So that obviously says the guy is at worst a decent coach. Is he awesome? **** no he isn't. But he does a better job of coaching the players he has than JJ does.

Here is where your argument goes down the drain. You act like it is some piece of bad luck that we have the worst players in the league. Rick Ray is responsible for this. Getting talented players to come to State is part of his job as the coach.

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