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10-20-2025, 10:28 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

None of what you've said is wrong. The pendulum swung far too much to the players side and they are not going to let it go back. Why would they? I wouldn't if before I was making a couple grand a month to know making 5-10K a month. We have PLAYERS living in the nicest subdivisions in Starkville.

You just make signings binding for both sides. Sign a player, keep a player for 2-3 seasons. If you get rid of said player, you lose that scholarship. If you leave before that period is up, well, you sit till it is.
10-20-2025, 11:45 AM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I don't disagree with you at all. To save the sport and honestly culture in general legislation has to be passed to rain this in. It's the Wild West. This is the type of mess that destroyed Rome, and is destroying college football. You can only ask middle income America to watch kids for so long who haven't proven anything, do nothing while earning more money than a lot will touch in our lifetime before the needs of the family and life itself overtakes the itch of dying enjoyment of Saturday sports.

There's a reason why John Adam's said our nation was only built for a moral and religious people. Not saying any of these folks are not moral and religious, but we have clearly flipped the table on its head for the purpose of college athletics, and it is only about money now. There is nothing in the education, coaches cannot really coach and teach these kids life lessons now for fear of jumping in the portal.

It is a disgusting destruction of what was the last beauty of amateur sports.

Yep you nailed it. It is a catch 22 now too and a bubble that will burst. Fans demand a ROI for investment, coaches and players get paid results or not. So coaches get fired quickly, players leave quickly. It will collapse at some point.
10-20-2025, 02:10 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

And I understand that. But it having to be under the table at least gave room for the other aspect that are purposeful for college to have a seat at the table.
10-21-2025, 06:18 PM
Political Hack

When people define players, especially QBs, by a handful of mistakes instead of the 98% they make the right read and do the right thing, it makes me question their judgement. Tom Brady threw picks. Peyton Manning threw picks. Lamar Jackson throws picks. They all lost games. We're night and day better than last year. Progress. Moving in the right direction. I think we should keep building and quit trying to destroy progress.
10-21-2025, 06:23 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

When people define players, especially QBs, by a handful of mistakes instead of the 98% they make the right read and do the right thing, it makes me question their judgement. Tom Brady threw picks. Peyton Manning threw picks. Lamar Jackson throws picks. They all lost games. We're night and day better than last year. Progress. Moving in the right direction. I think we should keep building and quit trying to destroy progress.

Shapen is 15/16 in qbr among sec QBs. He's 79th nationally. Sorta weird to mention a senior qb in the company of those guys as if he's on their path. His football career is almost over.
10-22-2025, 05:35 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen is 15/16 in qbr among sec QBs. He's 79th nationally. Sorta weird to mention a senior qb in the company of those guys as if he's on their path. His football career is almost over.

QBR places a lot of emphasis on TDs, which is largely up to the skills you're throwing to. He's on pace for 3,000 yards, 250 completions (and 20+ TDs), but he's doing a great job distributing the football. 98% of the time.
10-22-2025, 06:50 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

QBR places a lot of emphasis on TDs, which is largely up to the skills you're throwing to. He's on pace for 3,000 yards, 250 completions (and 20+ TDs), but he's doing a great job distributing the football. 98% of the time.

Yeah well if he was a little more accurate he would have had three other TDs this past weekend at least.
10-22-2025, 07:32 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen is 15/16 in qbr among sec QBs. He's 79th nationally. Sorta weird to mention a senior qb in the company of those guys as if he's on their path. His football career is almost over.

He's also:

5th in completion %
10th in TD's passes
11th in yards passing despite us being very good on the ground
11th in yards per passing
10-22-2025, 09:11 PM
Cowbeller

Just catching up on this thread. If you think giving up on another coach that has showed immediate and exponential improvement in 1 year should be gone you are a 17ing moron. You have to let the guy build something and constant turnover is what gets programs in another mess. He has coached us to what at worst should be a 5-2 record. Execution on the field is the miss right now and mostly at the QB position. Lebby will have growing pains like throwing the ball in FG range but that is what comes with an up and coming coach.

Also interested in hearing the yalls bright ideas on a replacement. I remember half this board being thrilled with Arnett. I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao
10-22-2025, 09:15 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Just catching up on this thread. If you think giving up on another coach that has showed immediate and exponential improvement in 1 year should be gone you are a 17ing moron. You have to let the guy build something and constant turnover is what gets programs in another mess. He has coached us to what at worst should be a 5-2 record. Execution on the field is the miss right now and mostly at the QB position. Lebby will have growing pains like throwing the ball in FG range but that is what comes with an up and coming coach.

Also interested in hearing the yalls bright ideas on a replacement. I remember half this board being thrilled with Arnett. I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao

Just shut up using saban. Saban had a poor year 1, but signed perhaps the greatest class in history that offseason. Go look up his year 2.
10-22-2025, 09:28 PM
Cowbeller

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just shut up using saban. Saban had a poor year 1, but signed perhaps the greatest class in history that offseason. Go look up his year 2.

It’s not apples to apples. Are you that dense? Everyone loves patting Selmon on the back for catching up our NIL, you think the head football coach doesn’t play a part in that. We are not Bama, it takes time.

I guarantee you are only an armchair genius once the clock is under 5 min. How do you think we keep staying in games, coaching is there. Be mad all you want but it aint getting better with a new staff, he has until next year minimum.
10-22-2025, 09:33 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

It’s not apples to apples. Are you that dense? Everyone loves patting Selmon on the back for catching up our NIL, you think the head football coach doesn’t play a part in that. We are not Bama, it takes time.

I guarantee you are only an armchair genius once the clock is under 5 min. How do you think we keep staying in games, coaching is there. Be mad all you want but it aint getting better with a new staff, he has until next year minimum.

I'm not mad. Comparing Lebby, who has never won a sec game to Saban (already with a ring from lsu) was dumb. Compare him to vandy's guy, and hope he becomes him. Lebby shouldn't be mentioned with Saban imo.
10-22-2025, 09:49 PM
Cowbeller

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not mad. Comparing Lebby, who has never won a sec game to Saban (already with a ring from lsu) was dumb. Compare him to vandy's guy, and hope he becomes him. Lebby shouldn't be mentioned with Saban imo.

Yes that is exactly what I meant. Lebby equals Saban, cmon man its a hyperbole about our whiny fans
10-22-2025, 09:54 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Yes that is exactly what I meant. Lebby equals Saban, cmon man its a hyperbole about our whiny fans

"I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao".

What did you mean by this then? Saban was 7-6 (4-4) in his first season and was in the sec championship game at 12-0 (8-0) jn year 2
10-22-2025, 10:10 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

There is a difference. The difference is the size of the money. It's way up in the hundreds of thousands and even millions now and costs are going up by the week.
10-22-2025, 10:16 PM
Cowbeller

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Originally Posted by msstate7

"I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao".

What did you mean by this then? Saban was 7-6 (4-4) in his first season and was in the sec championship game at 12-0 (8-0) jn year 2

That was my point. Our fans in that situation would have called for his head when he was even already a proven coach. Now come back to Mississippi States situation and realize that calling for a coach to be fired at 4-3 in year 2 of one of the hardest situations in the country is completely moronic especially when it is obvious that the scheme is not the issue.
10-22-2025, 10:22 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

That was my point. Our fans in that situation would have called for his head when he was even already a proven coach. Now come back to Mississippi States situation and realize that calling for a coach to be fired at 4-3 in year 2 of one of the hardest situations in the country is completely moronic especially when it is obvious that the scheme is not the issue.

The only ones that are saying he should be fired are basing it on IF he goes 0-8 in the sec. 0-16 is pretty hard to defend. If he gets 1 (one) win, no one will have a problem bringing him back. 7-17 (.292) overall and 1-15 (.063) is a pretty low bar.
10-22-2025, 10:38 PM
Cowbeller

First off, thats not true. Second the record would be a sore spot admittedly but we need to use the eye test and it has shown nothing but upward trajectory.

Our own DC is a great example of how quickly things can improve.
10-22-2025, 10:43 PM
msstate7

Guess I can't speak for everyone; but if he gets another win this season, I want him back.
10-22-2025, 11:35 PM
Quaoarsking

It's completely irrelevant if we're better than last year. Compare us to how we were before Lebby got here. Otherwise, Lebby basically gets more credit because he lost a lot of games last year than he would if he hadn't.

Like, if Lebby went 5-7 last year and was generally competitive, and then 2025 so far was the same as in real life, would you feel better or worse? I'd sure feel better, even though the "we're so improved" argument wouldn't be there anymore.

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