and for those of you that say "we just need the right coach"......bullshit
No coach with big dreams is coming to take this job. And dont compare this to baseball. In baseball- We have Top 10 money and tradition. In football- we have Top 40 money
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and for those of you that say "we just need the right coach"......bullshit
No coach with big dreams is coming to take this job. And dont compare this to baseball. In baseball- We have Top 10 money and tradition. In football- we have Top 40 money
Right there with you. Leach?s passing really dinged my joy in college football and then the fallout followed by the rise of NIL and unmitigated transfers just killed the whole thing for me. I watch NFL way more now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Winning cures all. I do think that Lebby was a completely predicatable uninspiring hire. What has he done that endears himself to the fan base? All he does is use coach speak and it has gotten old pretty fast. I do think that this off-season was a lot lot better than his first one. The kids played hard in all but 2 games for him. He is a pretty good OC. If we beat ASU or Tennessee all will be back right with the world.
That said, I am going to agree with 34 here. We may want to prepare ourselves for a world in which MS State football is the 3rd sport on campus. Idk about y?all but I would be buying some purple and gold if that happens. Say what you want about them, but they have the most fun in the country week in and week out
And they hate OM too. Just saying
I just want what's best for MSU football. And having MSU's version of Ron Polk 2.0 is not what's best for MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
It's just that hiring Dan Mullen back sounds like the exact move that MSU would make and have it end poorly for all involved with MSU regretting it later.
Except that practically every coach we have had here minus Arnett has had successful seasons. Successful being defined as 8+ wins going back to the 1970's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Tyler- 9 wins in 74 and 76
Bellard- 9 wins in 1980 and 8 in 1981
Felker- Bad hire
Sherrill- Multiple 8-10 win seasons. And I'm pretty sure MSU could find a retread like him to coach here. Which is probably what we need if Lebby doesn't work out.
Croom- 8 wins in 2007. Yes, that Croom.
Dan- Multiple 8-10 win seasons
Moorhead- 8 wins in 2018
Leach- 9 wins in 2022.
Arnett- LOL
Lebby- TBD
The reality is our ceiling is what Ole Miss is doing. We can act envious of them but the fact of the matter is Kiffin hasn't really done anything at Ole Miss that hasn't been done at MSU before. In fact their 2024 season was almost a mirror image of the 2018 season we had under Moorhead except they didn't have to play Alabama which would have also been a loss for them and we played a solid Iowa team which didn't have any opt outs. You know- that Moorhead season where everyone knew it wasn't going to work out?
Even though money is a big part of this- so is talent evaluation and development. And that's where the Texas A&M's are lacking.
For what we're paying Lebby I guarantee you we could pull Sumrall from Tulane or Kinne from Texas State and let them use us as a stepping stone.
MSU handled Leach's passing as piss poorly as possible on so many levels. We'll be back soon but in the meantime we're about to find out if Lebby is Dan 2.0 or if he is simply a program stabilizer like Croom and Felker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Say what, "the right coach" isn't important? Come on 34 it is the most important position for any sport. Morehead, Arnett, are the perfect example for not having the right coach!!!! We have had many wrong coaches, picking the right one does not mean he has to be a blood blood coach!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Know he's trying to recruit to UNLV, but have you looked at their recruiting class ranking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We can certainly get a good coach- hell Lebby has been a good coach in his career so far. I just think whats going on in college football right now is ridiculous and so many factors affect things now other than actual coachingQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Tyler- got us on probationQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Bellard- won with Tyler's recruits then bottomed out
Felker
Jackie- The Father of MSU football. Did a great job
Croom- had 1 winning season in 5 years- and that one took some miracles with defensive TD's winning games
Mullen- built on what Jackie was doing and elevated the program
Moorhead- took over a loaded team and made it average
Leach- won with primarily Moorhead/Mullen's recruits and failed to recruit before his passing
Arnett- had almost no NIL to work with a new NIL Era
Lebby- coaching in a new era of college football in which we lag behind
I can't disagree with what you say. We are not a easy school to be in as far as HC past history BUT over the last 30 years we have gotten better with 3 good college coaches for us, JWS, DM and the Pirate. And in those years we also had Croom, Joe Mo and Arnett, image that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Everybody went way over from July 1, 2024 to June 30, 2025 to get deals in before the House settlement took effect July 1 and deals had to be cleared by Deloitte. Including us. We spent over 10 million last month alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But back to the point of my post, the gap between us and OM has closed completely or almost completely. Of course we will never spend what Texas and Aggie do. But that's been the case for decades.
Agree on high school recruiting this cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But respectfully, you have no clue how much we are spending on our 2025 football roster and how much each of the other 15 teams in the league are spending, much less 2026 and 2027.
But those days are over. Even if we recruit ok and develop them- they just gonna leave in the portal for a bigger payday. The development part where we were excelling has been taken away from usQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I know you think we are in the thick of things but I can assure you that we are not. We'll keep seeing it play out moving forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Compared to Texas and Aggie? No we are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Compared to the bottom 8 in the league, we very much are. Which has been the case our entire lives.
Again, we spent 8 figures in June alone.
I was at the 3-2 Auburn game... yes, it was lower than what I see right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I know we went over big time from June 1, 2025 to June 30, 2025 because of what was coming down the pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Correct. 8 figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve