Some of you need to realize about baseball

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I dont see how people can stand to be on the other boards. Honestly. I never go to any of the others.

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On3 isn't too terrible. It's still a lot of the 247 crowd over there but they don't moderate too much. They do stroke Brian and Robbie's ego a little too much but I tend to ignore those threads. 247 just got awful and Steve is pretty quick on the ban button over there. I do hate they pushed SPS to the side when they came on. Free message boards are just becoming a thing of the past at this point.

Also, the coverage on 247 is almost nonexistent outside of baseball. And I get baseball is more important here than most places, but football and men's basketball pays the bills. On3 actually treats those as sports. 247 treats them like hobbies. The 247 site basketball coverage is BEYOND EMBARASSING. Like Steve should be ashamed for how bad the coverage is.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

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Well, Faulk may be a jerk but I haven't heard him say anything relative to MSU baseball under Lemonis that wasn't 100% accurate. Wish Lemonis would show that much fire with players on his team when they make ridiculous screwups.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

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Give it time and Lemonis won't be the last coach that does that to Faulk.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well, Faulk may be a jerk but I haven't heard him say anything relative to MSU baseball under Lemonis that wasn't 100% accurate. Wish Lemonis would show that much fire with players on his team when they make ridiculous screwups.

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Other than saying that Lemonis was going to be fired than last season.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Give it time and Lemonis won't be the last coach that does that to Faulk.

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Jans hates him. Source: Chris Jans.

He does not like him or Hadad. Says they do not know basketball and he is correct. We actually made fun of most of the media tonight. Great time honestly.

Lemonis said that to Faulks face?? That is awesome!

I listened to their podcast on baseball just this morning (I don't normally listen to them). Faulk said, and I paraphrase but this is very close,

"Lemonis needs alpha ball players and I don't understand why."

Hahaha. He was trying to say there wasn't a leader on this 25 team, which may be true but that statement reveals how little understanding he has of team sports.

I've said for a while now. State needs to make things miserable for those two and lock them out as best as State can. Because they believe, they're more important and create controversy with their On3 crowd with inaccurate opinions that they state as facts. Anyways, nice to hear that the people that matter don't care for them.

We need to take into account

Coaches don?t want critics.

I don?t love the podcast guys just I welcome their criticism of our coaches.

I didn?t realize that Lemonis was 35-60 or whatever since the Natty. Faulk preaches that.

That?s a good thing. There needs to be a public critical voice.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Lemonis said that to Faulks face?? That is awesome!

I listened to their podcast on baseball just this morning (I don't normally listen to them). Faulk said, and I paraphrase but this is very close,

"Lemonis needs alpha ball players and I don't understand why."

Hahaha. He was trying to say there wasn't a leader on this 25 team, which may be true but that statement reveals how little understanding he has of team sports.

I've said for a while now. State needs to make things miserable for those two and lock them out as best as State can. Because they believe, they're more important and create controversy with their On3 crowd with inaccurate opinions that they state as facts. Anyways, nice to hear that the people that matter don't care for them.

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Not sure I remember the 'and I don't understand why' part but I think the basic point was Lemon needs alpha players on the team because he isn't an alpha coach. And that speaks volumes in that he isn't demanding of a standard that you train, practice and play to. He needs player leaders to do most all of that job for him. Does anyone think Tony Vitello or Dave Van Horn would put up with the crappy fundamentals our team plays with on the field? Its embarrassing that we are such a sloppy baseball team and the head coach allows it. I agree Faulk is not very likeable (even less so than Hadad) but that doesn't mean that the podcast guys who are basically watching sports for a living can't have a valid opinion. I mean they basically loved and praised Lemonis and crew prior to 2022. If a coach doesn't want to be criticized when he puts a losing product on the field then he should just go coach a sport that nobody cares about.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Not sure I remember the 'and I don't understand why' part but I think the basic point was Lemon needs alpha players on the team because he isn't an alpha coach. And that speaks volumes in that he isn't demanding of a standard that you train, practice and play to. He needs player leaders to do most all of that job for him. Does anyone think Tony Vitello or Dave Van Horn would put up with the crappy fundamentals our team plays with on the field? Its embarrassing that we are such a sloppy baseball team and the head coach allows it. I agree Faulk is not very likeable (even less so than Hadad) but that doesn't mean that the podcast guys who are basically watching sports for a living can't have a valid opinion. I mean they basically loved and praised Lemonis and crew prior to 2022. If a coach doesn't want to be criticized when he puts a losing product on the field then he should just go coach a sport that nobody cares about.

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Agree with all you wrote. So let me be clear, Lemonis needs to go.

However every team needs alpha players. Tennessee and Ark dont have a bunch of BSU kids waiting for daddy to give some direction. Lemonis recruiting has been bad. He doesn't seem to demand much from the players he has. But not many, if any coaches, win without alphas and/leaders.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Jans hates him. Source: Chris Jans.

He does not like him or Hadad. Says they do not know basketball and he is correct. We actually made fun of most of the media tonight. Great time honestly.

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Sounds like a good time. Wish I was there to pile on.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

We need to take into account

Coaches don?t want critics.

I don?t love the podcast guys just I welcome their criticism of our coaches.

I didn?t realize that Lemonis was 35-60 or whatever since the Natty. Faulk preaches that.

That?s a good thing. There needs to be a public critical voice.

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Criticism is fine but it also needs to be reasonable.

Slamming a coach because he didn't hire your friend that you can use as an inside source isn't reasonable.

And I'm not referring to Lemonis.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Agree with all you wrote. So let me be clear, Lemonis needs to go.

However every team needs alpha players. Tennessee and Ark dont have a bunch of BSU kids waiting for daddy to give some direction. Lemonis recruiting has been bad. He doesn't seem to demand much from the players he has. But not many, if any coaches, win without alphas and/leaders.

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Exactly. We have a lot of fans that think sports at the college level is like sports at the high school or church level.

And all the team leadership isn't going to fix basic coaching fundamentals. Hell- TA couldn't make Kam James play SS well when he struggled there or make Josh Hatcher hit above the Mendoza Line. And that was 2021!

Faulks biggest issue is you can read three of his posts on Twitter and know that he hates this coaching staff. In media, you need to be professional on some level. He is pessimistic on everything baseball and this never ending. You can't do that, especially when it's obvious you never actually played the game at a serious level.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Faulks biggest issue is you can read three of his posts on Twitter and know that he hates this coaching staff. In media, you need to be professional on some level. He is pessimistic on everything baseball and this never ending. You can't do that, especially when it's obvious you never actually played the game at a serious level.

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I?d disagree.

You don?t have to have played to criticize. Especially if you are media covering the team and the coach is coaching a supposedly
Elite program.

Looks at his record post Natty. It?s obvious.

Ao our coaches will only accept criticism from who they deem is worthy? No

Lemonis may think Faulk knows nothing about baseball but so what?

What is you record, Lemonis?That?s all we need to know.

On3 > 247.

And it's not even close.

But this place has too many people who think like they do on 247, which is why it's dying too.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

On3 > 247.

And it's not even close.

But this place has too many people who think like they do on 247, which is why it's dying too.

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How do they think? I?ve never been on wither of them.