Just a reminder to all you guys

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Originally Posted by Tater

You don't hold people to a standard that they shouldn't rape, shouldn't tolerate rapists, and should do everything reasonably within their power to not enable further rape? That's the stance you just took? That's the moral stance I'm taking that you're calling stupid. Please think before you make this next post.

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Was Lebby not cleared of any wrong doing? I'm genuinely asking.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I can dislike a man, but like the way he coaches and wins football games.

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Me too. I think he's an immature punk. Selmon is a *****. But I can love the offense and the team. I'm a State grad and a State fan. I don't fall in love with coaches and AD's. I work with an ole miss fan. He absolutely hates Kiffin. But he loves winning.

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Originally Posted by Tater

You don't hold people to a standard that they shouldn't rape, shouldn't tolerate rapists, and should do everything reasonably within their power to not enable further rape? That's the stance you just took? That's the moral stance I'm taking that you're calling stupid. Please think before you make this next post.

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You need to take a break from the keyboard for awhile Karen.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Was Lebby not cleared of any wrong doing? I'm genuinely asking.

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He was. As was Art recently. But I ain?t getting into that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Oh I really like Lebby?s offense. Hope he does well if he?s the guy.

But he wasn?t in the Top 5 when this started. And if you miss on 5 or more targets- you aren?t the job your fans think you are

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And that's not a fan problem, that's because folks aren't doing their jobs.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

He was. As was Art recently. But I ain?t getting into that.

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Art WAS NOT in fact cleared of all wrong doing. It was 1 case.

Let's not hijack this thread.

Jeff is not Art. Leave it at that.

Question: did anyone from the hiring process (Selmon, Keenum, prominent booster) say we were targeting a HC? I have heard that a lot on here but I don?t know if that necessarily reflects the actual decision makers. Maybe Clark knows he has good info

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Art WAS NOT in fact cleared of all wrong doing. It was 1 case.

Let's not hijack this thread.

Jeff is not Art. Leave it at that.

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That?s why I said it wasn?t getting into it

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Originally Posted by Coach34

lol

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ahh, the classic lol retort. In other words, you don't know sh!t. But we already knew that.

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Originally Posted by civildawg

Dude you need to chill out. We haven't hired him yet and he's been hired by multiple P5 programs.

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Bc we haven?t had a QB that could throw a pass 40 yds in the air for awhile!

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Anyone who automatically calls it a bad hide has no idea what they are talking about and are simply pissed at Art Briles.

I?ll repost the staff.
Lebby?s possible staff here

Offensive Staff:
OC/QB - Kendall Briles (maybe)
If not:
Co-OC/TE- Joe Jon Finley
Co-OC/QB - Jon David Baker
(One of the 2 above would not be on staff if Briles comes, Baker is current PGC/TE coach at Ole Miss)
OL - Randy Clements or Jake Thornton
WR - Bump or L?Damian Washington or Tucker (below)
RB - Anthony Tucker or Dino Babers

Defensive Staff:
DC/LB - DJ Durkin
DL - David Turner
Co-DC/OLB/STC - Coleman Hutzler
CB - T-Buck
S - J-Wash

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I'm not pissed at Art Briles and don't hate him. Actually, at some point, an SEC or ACC or Sun belt school, will probably hire him and all will be forgotten (just like Freeze). My only negative on Lebby is, can he run an entire SEC program and not just an Offense?

I love his offense but can he run his type of offense with 3 star MS players at MSU (he can run it with OU talent of course very well). Can he develop players, can he recruit, can he oversee/manage Defensive coaches, Special Teams coaches, Strength Conditioning coaches, recruiting, marketing MSU to the media in a positive/energetic way (not woe is msu poor msu traditional mind-set), can he sell this football program to MS players and SEC area recruits?

These are my bigger concerns about Lebby. We have just experienced a good/great DC transitioning to a head coach which turned out to be a huge failure (Arnett). We can't have another re-peat of another failure again...

So we can't pull a coach we really want. So who's responsible for this predicament.

And oh by the way OM got the top name they wanted and he gave them back to back ten win seasons.

This is not a fan over expectation. We are not getting the results we're paying for from the people in charge.

You must be very familiar with this type of scenario.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Oh I really like Lebby?s offense. Hope he does well if he?s the guy.

But he wasn?t in the Top 5 when this started. And if you miss on 5 or more targets- you aren?t the job your fans think you are

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Originally Posted by woof

I'm not pissed at Art Briles and don't hate him. Actually, at some point, an SEC or ACC or Sun belt school, will probably hire him and all will be forgotten (just like Freeze). My only negative on Lebby is, can he run an entire SEC program and not just an Offense?

I love his offense but can he run his type of offense with 3 star MS players at MSU (he can run it with OU talent of course very well). Can he develop players, can he recruit, can he oversee/manage Defensive coaches, Special Teams coaches, Strength Conditioning coaches, recruiting, marketing MSU to the media in a positive/energetic way (not woe is msu poor msu traditional mind-set), can he sell this football program to MS players and SEC area recruits?

These are my bigger concerns about Lebby. We have just experienced a good/great DC transitioning to a head coach which turned out to be a huge failure (Arnett). We can't have another re-peat of another failure again...

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I think with his connections he will hire a staff of people around him that will help.

It can?t hurt having Art on speed dial.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

He was. As was Art recently. But I ain?t getting into that.

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Art wasn't cleared. They had to settle with 16 other women. The gross negligence claim against him and McCraw was dismissed on 1 case but the lawsuit was lost and the woman won. She was the one who lied in court contradicting her previous deposition under oath about what she told Lebby.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Art wasn't cleared. They had to settle with 16 other women. The gross negligence claim against him and McCraw was dismissed on 1 case but the lawsuit was lost and the woman won. She was the one who lied in court contradicting her previous deposition under oath about what she told Lebby.

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Again my point was Lebby has been hired by 4 big time programs since then. He isn?t involved and folks clutching their pearls about him need to get over it

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Was Lebby not cleared of any wrong doing? I'm genuinely asking.

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This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Again my point was Lebby has been hired by 4 big time programs since then. He isn?t involved and folks clutching their pearls about him need to get over it

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He didn't bring Art Briles onto the sideline until the 4th one though, and he better on his 5th if that's us. As long as he understands that, it should be fine.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

So we can't pull a coach we really want. So who's responsible for this predicament.

And oh by the way OM got the top name they wanted and he gave them back to back ten win seasons.

This is not a fan over expectation. We are not getting the results we're paying for from the people in charge.

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There's always more than one answer to these sorts of problems. Very few schools get their top choice. Lane wasn't OM top choice but it's worked. Look at Auburn, A&M, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, etc. It happens

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Originally Posted by Tater

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

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Do you think it's time for someone to pull a Clay Travis and lead a fan revolt?

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Originally Posted by Tater

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

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Lol

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Originally Posted by Tater

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

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I did not read all this, but just an FYI your proclamation about the legal system is incorrect. Read up on civil vs criminal and the concept of ?proving someone guilty? because your post is fundamentally full of incorrect information

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

He didn't bring Art Briles onto the sideline until the 4th one though, and he better on his 5th if that's us. As long as he understands that, it should be fine.

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This is football not politics. Art wasn't involved or he'd be prosecuted. You have school admins, teachers, pastors, even friends who break the code of ethics & morals daily yet are still hired. Again, this is football. Leach locked players in rooms and called players all sorts of names. Lane is battling millions in a lawsuit over what he's said and done to a player, why are you not screaming about that?

This is a game called football not Bethel Chapel.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

This is football not politics. Art wasn't involved or he'd be prosecuted. You have school admins, teachers, pastors, even friends who break the code of ethics & morals daily yet are still hired. Again, this is football. Leach locked players in rooms and called players all sorts of names. Lane is battling millions in a lawsuit over what he's said and done to a player, why are you not screaming about that?

This is a game called football not Bethel Chapel.

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Well in my opinion bullying rape victims and covering up the crimes is worse than anything Leach or Kiffin ever did.

If at least 5 guys don't turn us down, then we didn't set our sights high enough to start. That should be the case every coaching search.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

There's always more than one answer to these sorts of problems. Very few schools get their top choice. Lane wasn't OM top choice but it's worked. Look at Auburn, A&M, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, etc. It happens

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Yeah but we're talking at least five down the list.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

If at least 5 guys don't turn us down, then we didn't set our sights high enough to start. That should be the case every coaching search.

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We need to fix why five guys are turning us down. Didn't happen with OM and they're dancing back to back ten win seasons. We're getting our ass handed to us.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Do you think it's time for someone to pull a Clay Travis and lead a fan revolt?

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I'm hoping Brandon Walker does.

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Originally Posted by Tater

I'm hoping Brandon Walker does.

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Brandon loves him some Lebby. Looks like your feverish dream of that happening went out like a dud.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Brandon loves him some Lebby. Looks like your feverish dream of that happening went out like a dud.

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Go look yourself in the mirror and question why you're trying to belittle and mock rape. Seriously. It's repugnant.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Go look yourself in the mirror and question why you're trying to belittle and mock rape. Seriously. It's repugnant.

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No one is belittling it. You?re the one using hyperbole and outright lies cause it?s obviously a sore topic for you. Maybe you should get off the message board for awhile till you cool off.

Lol at some of y'all. Lebby has worked at 4 schools since the Baylor stuff and nothing has been an issue for them. He's been cleared by 4 schools, including our in-state rival, and has done nothing but kill it on his side of the ball.

Would I have liked to have hired a sitting HC? Maybe. But I think that is overvalued. Was Kirby Smart a HC before? Dan Lanning? Dan Mullen? Ryan Day?

Lebby is no more of a risk than a mid G5 HC would be.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Lol at some of y'all. Lebby has worked at 4 schools since the Baylor stuff and nothing has been an issue for them. He's been cleared by 4 schools, including our in-state rival, and has done nothing but kill it on his side of the ball.

Would I have liked to have hired a sitting HC? Maybe. But I think that is overvalued. Was Kirby Smart a HC before? Dan Lanning? Dan Mullen? Ryan Day?

Lebby is no more of a risk than a mid G5 HC would be.

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It was an issue this year when he had Briles on the sideline and then got super defensive about it when asked.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Lol at some of y'all. Lebby has worked at 4 schools since the Baylor stuff and nothing has been an issue for them. He's been cleared by 4 schools, including our in-state rival, and has done nothing but kill it on his side of the ball.

Would I have liked to have hired a sitting HC? Maybe. But I think that is overvalued. Was Kirby Smart a HC before? Dan Lanning? Dan Mullen? Ryan Day?

Lebby is no more of a risk than a mid G5 HC would be.

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If indeed it is him, there's no way around it. We're settling. And that is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Well in my opinion bullying rape victims and covering up the crimes is worse than anything Leach or Kiffin ever did.

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How can a coach cover up rape? Let's be honest if he really did those things he would be prosecuted. The university took the easy road and tried to avoid the PR nightmare. I'm not saying he could have done more but he's not above the law or a police officer.

I'm basing this from the premise if my black @** did anything remotely close id be under the prison. This is why I have my doubts on the actuals of the situation.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

If indeed it is him, there's no way around it. We're settling. And that is not acceptable.

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Nah, I disagree.

When we fired Arnett, Vegas odds had Lebby as the second most likely hire behind Chadwell. We have no idea what Selmon's board looks like, so you don't have a clue if we're settling or not.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It was an issue this year when he had Briles on the sideline and then got super defensive about it when asked.

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Yeah, that was dumb. Not a "non-hirable" offense though.

As long as he keeps Art away (or at least out of sight), it won't be an issue

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It was an issue this year when he had Briles on the sideline and then got super defensive about it when asked.

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And I'm sure we'll insist/require he doesn't do that here...

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Nah, I disagree.

When we fired Arnett, Vegas odds had Lebby as the second most likely hire behind Chadwell. We have no idea what Selmon's board looks like, so you don't have a clue if we're settling or not.

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We can all see who the options are and what value each has. We most certainly can evaluate which ones are better than others. What chances Vegas says we have at getting someone is irrelevant. Other than to say we're incapable of getting who we should.

Rumored that Lebby is the guy, and will be headed to Starkville tonight.