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11-05-2023, 07:07 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

We are not 13th in NIL. This ignorance should not stand. I strongly suggest you give Charlie a call and educate yourself on this topic.

Are we 12th? Who are we above? Missouri? Vandy?
11-05-2023, 07:50 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Are we 12th? Who are we above? Missouri? Vandy?

We aren’t recruiting this poorly due to a lack of money. We are recruiting this poorly because anyone with eyeballs knows this coaching staff is getting fired very soon.
11-05-2023, 07:53 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We aren’t recruiting this poorly due to a lack of money. We are recruiting this poorly because anyone with eyeballs knows this coaching staff is getting fired very soon.

Whoa now- our lack of talent is on Leach. Our recruiting this cycle on rank of player is 26th in the country- aka- not poor. Stop with the BS narratives
11-05-2023, 07:57 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Whoa now- our lack of talent is on Leach. Our recruiting this cycle on rank of player is 26th in the country- aka- not poor. Stop with the BS narratives

You are full of shit.
11-05-2023, 08:00 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Whoa now- our lack of talent is on Leach. Our recruiting this cycle on rank of player is 26th in the country- aka- not poor. Stop with the BS narratives

About the same thing that it was with Leach. You are pushing a narrative. Our head coach is already pushing the we only need to win 2 more games narrative to the kids. I wonder why? Why isnt he saying we need to go 3-0? Why is BP miles away from Arnett now? Why did the offense change 3 times in 6 months? Why did we bring in Vandys backup QB and randomly play him over the best passing QB we have ever had? Why did we all of a sudden abandon continuity when we based the whole hire on it? Why did every player on our entire team get worse from a year ago? Why couldnt Arnett and BP find an OC? Why? Tell me your narrative
11-05-2023, 08:01 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That's why there needs to be SEC NIL sharing and an NIL cap, like we see in professional sports

There will have to be4 a cap or something like a national slot allotment like baseball. Congress will be getting involved at some point in time
11-05-2023, 08:02 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Whoa now- our lack of talent is on Leach. Our recruiting this cycle on rank of player is 26th in the country- aka- not poor. Stop with the BS narratives

We are currently ranked 39th in recruiting. Leach definitely did a poor job of recruiting defense and quarterbacks, but this year we are recruiting exceptionally poorly.
11-05-2023, 08:03 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We are currently ranked 39th in recruiting. Leach definitely did a poor job of recruiting defense and quarterbacks, but this year we are recruiting exceptionally poorly.

Hang on now the tuff guys will tell you Locke is better than what we have now. They said the same thing about Sawyer and the USM QB they wanted to be good so bad. Dudek was absolutely a huge slappy no doubt
11-05-2023, 08:11 PM
Goldendawg

I checked USM's roster where many of our outgoing portal players landed. I couldn't find a name I recognized starting. Most are no longer on the team. Our player evaluation and overall recruiting have been bad for a few years. We did have about 25 receiver types on the team with the AR. Our roster was/is badly out of balance. JMO.
11-05-2023, 08:15 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

We are not where we want to be on NIL, but C. Winfield himself posted recently that we are in better shape than we have ever been on NIL and every player has a NIL deal. I have been to virtually every home game for over 55 years as a season ticket holder and much of the good lower $eats were empty by halftime last night. 3rd quarter attendance a joke, 4th a disgrace. Think those who pay big $ for this "experience" will give more if this clown show continues? This is now a double edged sword if you want more $upport on and off the field. I know no one who has any hope in the status quo and I know a lot of State fans in NE MS. We need a restart with a real SEC type, experienced HC and staff ASAP!

If every player has an NIL deal then we are not spending money very smart. What does a third string WR bring to the table or 5th string RB?
11-05-2023, 08:16 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I checked USM's roster where many of our outgoing portal players landed. I couldn't find a name I recognized starting. Most are no longer on the team. Our player evaluation and overall recruiting have been bad for a few years. We did have about 25 receiver types on the team with the AR. Our roster was/is badly out of balance. JMO.

This is fact and you can pay these guys well and it won't change a dang thing on the field.
11-05-2023, 08:19 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I checked USM's roster where many of our outgoing portal players landed. I couldn't find a name I recognized starting. Most are no longer on the team. Our player evaluation and overall recruiting have been bad for a few years. We did have about 25 receiver types on the team with the AR. Our roster was/is badly out of balance. JMO.

We never had 25 receivers under Leach. We actually had LESS than what he inherited.
11-05-2023, 08:22 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We are currently ranked 39th in recruiting. Leach definitely did a poor job of recruiting defense and quarterbacks, but this year we are recruiting exceptionally poorly.

because we are signing a small HS class. 1/3 of our team is leaving so we need older players. Is why we are going juco/portal. Our quality of player in this recruiting class is good.

What do you not understand about that?
11-05-2023, 08:24 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

because we are signing a small HS class. 1/3 of our team is leaving so we need older players. Is why we are going juco/portal. Our quality of player in this recruiting class is good.

What do you not understand about that?

It?s gonna be a lot more than 1/3. They are going to get out faster than they can get in.
11-05-2023, 08:30 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

because we are signing a small HS class. 1/3 of our team is leaving so we need older players. Is why we are going juco/portal. Our quality of player in this recruiting class is good.

What do you not understand about that?

We aren't signing a small HS class intentionally. We've missed on a ton of high priority targets including a dozen in our own state.
11-05-2023, 08:33 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We aren't signing a small HS class intentionally. We've missed on a ton of high priority targets including a dozen in our own state.

And for all the hate on Leach for signing WRs guess what our top 2 commits from MS play
11-05-2023, 08:35 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We aren't signing a small HS class intentionally. We've missed on a ton of high priority targets including a dozen in our own state.

yes we are. We need older players. We havent missed much on HS guys- we just didnt have the money required to be in the mix
11-05-2023, 08:38 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

because we are signing a small HS class. 1/3 of our team is leaving so we need older players. Is why we are going juco/portal. Our quality of player in this recruiting class is good.

What do you not understand about that?

We are signing a small high school class because we missed on most of our big time recruits within the state. The JUCO guys we are about to get committed are nothing that’s going to move the recruiting needle in a positive direction and we will finish around 30-35 which is not good at all. It really isn’t debatable that we are recruiting exceptionally poorly at the moment. Our average ranking per commit is going to continually go down the more players we sign because we have no more big targets left on the board. That will probably change once Arnett gets fired in 3 weeks because we have something to sell and transfers will have a reason to actually give us a look.
11-05-2023, 08:46 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

MS high school playing Lacrosse? That is awesome.

Makes me think of Jim Brown.
11-05-2023, 08:51 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We are signing a small high school class because we missed on most of our big time recruits within the state. The JUCO guys we are about to get committed are nothing that’s going to move the recruiting needle in a positive direction and we will finish around 30-35 which is not good at all. It really isn’t debatable that we are recruiting exceptionally poorly at the moment. Our average ranking per commit is going to continually go down the more players we sign because we have no more big targets left on the board. That will probably change once Arnett gets fired in 3 weeks because we have something to sell and transfers will have a reason to actually give us a look.

Im struggling to find reasons to let him finish the year out
11-05-2023, 08:51 PM
Activated Alpha

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Originally Posted by Coach34

yes we are. We need older players. We havent missed much on HS guys- we just didnt have the money required to be in the mix

As this year is a testament, we don't necessarily need "older" players. You have consistently shite all over our older players this year. So we actually need better players along with a better coaching staff...
11-05-2023, 08:54 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Im struggling to find reasons to let him finish the year out

I mean Selmon is already talking to agents and we have had Arnett on 3 or 4 hot seat articles because agents know he’s about to get fired. I don’t think it hurts to just let him finish it out so long as we are doing everything behind the scenes needed to make a fast hire.
11-05-2023, 08:59 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I mean Selmon is already talking to agents and we have had Arnett on 3 or 4 hot seat articles because agents know he’s about to get fired. I don’t think it hurts to just let him finish it out so long as we are doing everything behind the scenes needed to make a fast hire.

These kids would play better if we made the move now, but I get it
11-05-2023, 09:10 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I mean Selmon is already talking to agents and we have had Arnett on 3 or 4 hot seat articles because agents know he’s about to get fired. I don’t think it hurts to just let him finish it out so long as we are doing everything behind the scenes needed to make a fast hire.

Agree, it playing out already behind the scenes
11-05-2023, 09:41 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We never had 25 receivers under Leach. We actually had LESS than what he inherited.

I counted our Spring training roster and went to the scrimmage. Some were walkons but we easily had 25 or so slot & Wr types on that roster.
11-05-2023, 09:46 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by parabrave

There will have to be4 a cap or something like a national slot allotment like baseball. Congress will be getting involved at some point in time

Saw an article on MSN lastweek that the judge handling the former players' suit against the NCAA has turned it into a class action suit. Damages could now be $4.2 billion to the former and current players if the NCAA loses. Also mentioned athletes in all college sports would be eligible for a cut of ticket sales, tv revenue, etc. This could take years through the courts but NIL could be nothing compared to this. Some of you lawyer types might can explain with more details. College football as we knew it is going the way of the DoDo bird.
11-05-2023, 09:49 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We are signing a small high school class because we missed on most of our big time recruits within the state. The JUCO guys we are about to get committed are nothing that?s going to move the recruiting needle in a positive direction and we will finish around 30-35 which is not good at all. It really isn?t debatable that we are recruiting exceptionally poorly at the moment. Our average ranking per commit is going to continually go down the more players we sign because we have no more big targets left on the board. That will probably change once Arnett gets fired in 3 weeks because we have something to sell and transfers will have a reason to actually give us a look.

Hope our new bunch of "older' players look better in this staff's O and D than our current older players if we stupidly give them a 2nd year.
11-05-2023, 09:51 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Agree, it playing out already behind the scenes

I hope so. I've been worried about Selmon. I hope he surprises me. Pull the trigger and make a damn home run hire.
11-06-2023, 12:07 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Are we 12th? Who are we above? Missouri? Vandy?

We are squarely middle of the pack. Instead of following the idiot over here, talk to Charlie Winfield and get the scoop.

We've had an extremely productive year in NIL. This narrative that we're way behind everyone else - particularly Ole Miss, is just that - a narrative. We're competitive with all the teams in our weight class - Kentucky, SC, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Mizzou, etc.
11-06-2023, 12:52 AM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Loser mentality.

I wonder, is MSU really 15th in NIL. How big is the MSU gap to 8th or even 14th.
11-06-2023, 08:19 AM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by confucius say

This thread is weak and pathetic.
And the OP is factually wrong. Bad take and making excuses for incompetence.
We don't need 10-15 million annually to compete in football and every coaching candidate knows that. That is one of the dumbest things I've heard in life. I hope he was kidding.
Do we need more? Of course. But OM is going to be in a NY6 bowl (twice in 3 years) and is not spending anywhere close to 10-15 million annually in football. Not even half of that. Just a horrible post.

My thing is, if NIL is the issue and this is now just the elimination of the bagman giving money to the players 5 or so years ago?..why is NIL the issue?

The money was being spent a few years ago under the table and now it?s above the table.

Then NIL is a moot point. We had better players then than now.
11-06-2023, 10:56 AM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Whoa now- our lack of talent is on Leach. Our recruiting this cycle on rank of player is 26th in the country- aka- not poor. Stop with the BS narratives

Like I was saying, recruiting is going exceptionally poor. Our best commit just dropped us as well. You want to come again with this BS or are we good here? Yea, that's what I thought.
11-06-2023, 07:48 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Like I was saying, recruiting is going exceptionally poor. Our best commit just dropped us as well. You want to come again with this BS or are we good here? Yea, that's what I thought.

Kids arent stupid and it damn sure isnt all about NIL. If you are offering a real sum of money to a HS kid just to get him to come you are a dummy anyway. No kid wants to come play for these guys. We have 3 coaches on the entire staff that kids can relate to
11-06-2023, 08:07 PM
dawgday166

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11-06-2023, 08:10 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Whoa now- our lack of talent is on Leach. Our recruiting this cycle on rank of player is 26th in the country- aka- not poor. Stop with the BS narratives

https://i.postimg.cc/sgX7r3Tf/MSU-Recruiting.png
11-06-2023, 09:09 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

We are squarely middle of the pack. Instead of following the idiot over here, talk to Charlie Winfield and get the scoop.

We've had an extremely productive year in NIL. This narrative that we're way behind everyone else - particularly Ole Miss, is just that - a narrative. We're competitive with all the teams in our weight class - Kentucky, SC, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Mizzou, etc.

When I talk portal- I mean hiring another 7-8 people that do evals like other schools have. That's part of the money for NIL. We are not anywhere near where other schools are at this point no matter what you try to spout here
11-06-2023, 09:53 PM
Jarius

We are currently ranked 46th in the country and last in the SEC in recruiting. This staff is toast.
11-07-2023, 10:10 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by Coach34

When I talk portal- I mean hiring another 7-8 people that do evals like other schools have. That's part of the money for NIL. We are not anywhere near where other schools are at this point no matter what you try to spout here

Instead of spewing stuff from your ass on here, pick up the phone and call Charlie Winfield. He'll be happy to educate you.
11-07-2023, 10:25 AM
msudawg1200

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Instead of spewing stuff from your ass on here, pick up the phone and call Charlie Winfield. He'll be happy to educate you.

You know whatever Narcissist34 says is the truth because HE said so
11-07-2023, 10:35 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

You know whatever Narcissist34 says is the truth because HE said so

I'm not attacking him. I have no issues with him and like most of what he posts. But sometimes he jumps the shark. I get that he has a buddy on staff so he's carrying water. But he's throwing out hot takes in this thread like he was Stephen A. Smith on a three day bender. The two biggest whoppers are that we're 13th in the SEC in NIL and that we're prioritizing jucos over high school recruits because we need to get older. Stuff than anyone with a functioning brain wave knows is wrong. I encourage everyone to get the facts and not just run with message board narratives. Rosebowl destroyed what little access/credibility he had left during the OC search because of stuff like that.

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