Our fans remind me of the scouts in MoneyBall

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Our administration has been way worse than the fans. It's not close. They give the school millions from from our athletic budget and then rainy day fund millions instead of putting it into recruiting to help level the field. We prioritized 17ing baseball over everything. That's as dumb as it gets. We can't even get our damn new logo on the scoreboard but other schools have it on theirs when we go there. We've been so poorly operated by the good ole boys selling blue collar bullshit for so long the fans are finally sick of it.
I'm waiting to see how this circus of a football program goes the next two months to decide if I need to invest my money somewhere else. If we keep the circus in town after a losing record, I'm out. If they straighten out things, & win games or we fire Amatuer Hour for sucking, Im increasing my investment. Either MSU invests in the program, or they need to stop asking people to.

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This sense of entitlement is the problem now and has been for a long long time and it and the fractures with in our base and the want for control are our biggest road blocks it. Just cant understand the basic premise that we are the university. This has always has been and seems that it always will be our issue. I'm not saying the admins are perfect but, the spectacular lack of vision of our alumni and base is a death sentence at this juncture. It's get on board with the current situation or die, we have been dying slowly for a long time and it getting faster every day. I see this ending poorly for our school. When we get shuffled out, oh that's coming, it will hit the university hard. Non revenue sports will struggle mightily and cuts across the board will happen university wide. The athletes we have been able to attract are gone up the road is all sports. Y'all better get used to the home games with Troy, Jacksonville State and Ark State and those great road trips to Layfette, Monroe and Mobile. It s simple math now and its rolling at us like a steamroller.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This sense of entitlement is the problem now and has been for a long long time and it and the fractures with in our base and the want for control are our biggest road blocks it. Just cant understand the basic premise that we are the university. This has always has been and seems that it always will be our issue. I'm not saying the admins are perfect but, the spectacular lack of vision of our alumni and base is a death sentence at this juncture. It's get on board with the current situation or die, we have been dying slowly for a long time and it getting faster every day. I see this ending poorly for our school. When we get shuffled out, oh that's coming, it will hit the university hard. Non revenue sports will struggle mightily and cuts across the board will happen university wide. The athletes we have been able to attract are gone up the road is all sports. Y'all better get used to the home games with Troy, Jacksonville State and Ark State and those great road trips to Layfette, Monroe and Mobile. It s simple math now and its rolling at us like a steamroller.

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Dude, the fans have vision. It's why they're so loud now. The school leadership is short-sighted. John Cohen refused to even get involved with NIL and attempted to prioritize 17ing baseball. Our leaders allowed that. Our boosters were ok with that too. The realization is football is the life-blood of athletics and we hire Arnett? We don't even attempt to get a good coach? Nobody else in the SEC would do that. Come the 17 on!!! We good ole boy the shit out of everything. We take care of too much dead weight because they're "State people". I was hoping Selmon would fix some things but he's buddies with the coaches and isn't communicating with the fan base at all. He and Arnett hocking their family goods on SEC Nation was embarrassing! We need leadership at the university. It's simply not there.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Dude, the fans have vision. It's why they're so loud now. The school leadership is short-sighted. John Cohen refused to even get involved with NIL and attempted to prioritize 17ing baseball. Our leaders allowed that. Our boosters were ok with that too. The realization is football is the life-blood of athletics and we hire Arnett? We don't even attempt to get a good coach? Nobody else in the SEC would do that. Come the 17 on!!! We good ole boy the shit out of everything. We take care of too much dead weight because they're "State people". I was hoping Selmon would fix some things but he's buddies with the coaches and isn't communicating with the fan base at all. He and Arnett hocking their family goods on SEC Nation was embarrassing! We need leadership at the university. It's simply not there.

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Most everything your saying is irrelevant at is point and as far a vision most can't see the forest for the trees. John Cohen is gone and his leadership helped to handcuff us for sure. I agree the hire probably wasn't the one to make and we are in very bad situation. This is due to exactly to the what is was talking about. I don't know much about what this AD is doing, maybe you do, but changes are happening, don't know if its good or bad yet. As far as our overall situation, its a dire one, something that you and most here completely miss. If things continue to go south with football our $$$ maker we will get shuffled back as realignment continues to sort itself out. The situation right now is $$ for athletes. It's pay for play and those that are willing pay are going to survive and those that can't will go the way of Wazzu and Ore State. Is the current state of affairs sustainable? I don't think so but it is what it is. That's where the breakdown is, the pettiness of I cant get my way so I'm not giving only serves to put this university and its interest further and further behind the eight ball. So, its up to us to fund the damn thing and maybe survive or not and seal our fate.

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Most everything your saying is irrelevant at is point and as far a vision most can't see the forest for the trees. John Cohen is gone and his leadership helped to handcuff us for sure. I agree the hire probably wasn't the one to make and we are in very bad situation. This is due to exactly to the what is was talking about. I don't know much about what this AD is doing, maybe you do, but changes are happening, don't know if its good or bad yet. As far as our overall situation, its a dire one, something that you and most here completely miss. If things continue to go south with football our $$$ maker we will get shuffled back as realignment continues to sort itself out. The situation right now is $$ for athletes. It's pay for play and those that are willing pay are going to survive and those that can't will go the way of Wazzu and Ore State. Is the current state of affairs sustainable? I don't think so but it is what it is. That's where the breakdown is, the pettiness of I cant get my way so I'm not giving only serves to put this university and its interest further and further behind the eight ball. So, its up to us to fund the damn thing and maybe survive or not and seal our fate.

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ROI matters. The fans can't constantly fight the admin/booster headwinds. That's got to change. We won't have a P5 program if they want to keep this a big club instead of actually pushing to be good. Fans don't want to support that club.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

ROI matters. The fans can't constantly fight the admin/booster headwinds. That's got to change. We won't have a P5 program if they want to keep this a big club instead of actually pushing to be good. Fans don't want to support that club.

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I give up. Just don't get it. The only thing your correct on is we wont be P5 for much longer.

I don't think we are about to relegated to the sunbelt for one losing season. However I do wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong in the Bryan building or the relationship between the big money boosters and the Bryan building. Because Stricklin leaving was a head scratcher.... but ok it's Florida. However then the next AD, who is a former MSU athlete, leaving for another sec rival... what the hell is going on here? Not a good sign.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

OM fans continue to fund it because they see a payoff with a brash HC, exciting offense, and a buy in from their administration from the top down.

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And we have none of those things at State. We have a cheap, old school mentality. You have to believe your money is going to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This sense of entitlement is the problem now and has been for a long long time and it and the fractures with in our base and the want for control are our biggest road blocks it. Just cant understand the basic premise that we are the university. This has always has been and seems that it always will be our issue. I'm not saying the admins are perfect but, the spectacular lack of vision of our alumni and base is a death sentence at this juncture. It's get on board with the current situation or die, we have been dying slowly for a long time and it getting faster every day. I see this ending poorly for our school. When we get shuffled out, oh that's coming, it will hit the university hard. Non revenue sports will struggle mightily and cuts across the board will happen university wide. The athletes we have been able to attract are gone up the road is all sports. Y'all better get used to the home games with Troy, Jacksonville State and Ark State and those great road trips to Layfette, Monroe and Mobile. It s simple math now and its rolling at us like a steamroller.

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We can give all day long, but if the people “admin” don’t do the right things with the money. Nothing will change, it goes and sits and waists away. It is bureaucracy at its best. Why can you not see that?

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Most everything your saying is irrelevant at is point and as far a vision most can't see the forest for the trees. John Cohen is gone and his leadership helped to handcuff us for sure. I agree the hire probably wasn't the one to make and we are in very bad situation. This is due to exactly to the what is was talking about. I don't know much about what this AD is doing, maybe you do, but changes are happening, don't know if its good or bad yet. As far as our overall situation, its a dire one, something that you and most here completely miss. If things continue to go south with football our $$$ maker we will get shuffled back as realignment continues to sort itself out. The situation right now is $$ for athletes. It's pay for play and those that are willing pay are going to survive and those that can't will go the way of Wazzu and Ore State. Is the current state of affairs sustainable? I don't think so but it is what it is. That's where the breakdown is, the pettiness of I cant get my way so I'm not giving only serves to put this university and its interest further and further behind the eight ball. So, its up to us to fund the damn thing and maybe survive or not and seal our fate.

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I will be shocked if State is out to pasture. We are a founding member of the SEC and we have the brinks trucks to use if we need to. That’s cooters point, we have the money we just chose to hoard it. For reasons I cannot understand.

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I will be shocked if State is out to pasture. We are a founding member of the SEC and we have the brinks trucks to use if we need to. That’s cooters point, we have the money we just chose to hoard it. For reasons I cannot understand.

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Exactly where is this money?

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

Yes not only is our fan base less affluent, we are vastly smaller.....farmers and engineers do not make as much money as doctors and lawyers....throw in the fact that they have five times the number of alumni that we have and you see that we have to find innovative ways to compete.

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I would say farmers and engineers make around the same amount of money, its just that Farmers have to pay for more things which takes a way their net income.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Our fan base could easily come up with 25,000 fans to give $20 / month.

That?s 67 cents per day.

We can afford that.

That would be $6m per year.

We wont do it (as evidence fed by this thread) but to act like it?s is impossible is short sighted at best.

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You're 100% correct, we won't do it. It'll never happen. Too much push back.

Welcome to the beginning of the end! Going to be a bumpy ride! Sunbelt here we come!

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Exactly where is this money?

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That’s not exactly, you have been saying this whole time “we have to cough up the money” now you are saying the admin has to cough up the money? I’m confused.

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Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg

You're 100% correct, we won't do it. It'll never happen. Too much push back.

Welcome to the beginning of the end! Going to be a bumpy ride! Sunbelt here we come!

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The issue is the admin has not pushed this, they won’t. That would have been the first thing I did if I was selmon was create a marketing drive to get 20-50 bucks a month donations. If that would have happened things would seem a lot different right now.

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That’s not exactly, you have been saying this whole time “we have to cough up the money” now you are saying the admin has to cough up the money? I’m confused.

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Where did I say that? I asked where this Brinks truck of $$$ is.

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Where did I say that? I asked where this Brinks truck of $$$ is.

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Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.

We've routinely hoarded $10-15MM a year in rainy day funds. At least cut that in half to help football. Lowest recruiting budget is instantly corrected. Pay a legitimate coach and staff what it takes to get them. Don't Arnett the shit out of everything. Stop paying "State people" to 17 up.
Selmon should've been the right move, and he's done some things. I'm not ready to throw him out or anything. He just needs to step up communications a bit. I'll give him a year to get completely settled because the job isn't easy.

[QUOTE=Maverick91;1544173]Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, its amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such a easy time peddling his propaganda.

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Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, its amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such a easy time peddling his propaganda.

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You mean like Nike owning our logo? That kinda BS? LOL

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Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, it's amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such an easy time peddling his propaganda.

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Correct

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Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, its amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such a easy time peddling his propaganda.

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What’s BS about my statement? We both agree that we hoard money for reasons that are never explained to us, why would it not be sitting in some bank account?

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You mean like Nike owning our logo? That kinda BS? LOL

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Whoever came up with that to sell to the fans should never be allowed back on campus.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

What’s BS about my statement? We both agree that we hoard money for reasons that are never explained to us, why would it not be sitting in some bank account?

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I never agreed we hoard money, I'd say that you have been misinformed informed.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Im not hating on your idea. I wish it would happen. However, just FYI, there is only 14,000+ in the Bulldog Club. Also, I am pretty sure, if you bought season tickets and gave $1,000 just this year, your ranking would be under 10,000.

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Youre making a good point. I'm not up on all the numbers. To me, it seems like we could sell this, but to me, this ia a good point. Still hopeful.


Jus to add...I think you could get a lot of people to give $20 a month as its less daunting and easy to quickly cancel. Seems much easier than getting $1k. so maybe that helps the numbers.

From Coaching HotSeat:

Zach Arnett, Mississippi State

Status: Incredibly perilous for a first-year coach

Most of the newer coaches in the Big Ten or SEC have little to worry about because they have laughably humungous buyouts (see the Billy Napier section above), but Arnett is in a very different situation. His promotion to head coach came after the sudden and tragic passing of Mike Leach, and while Mississippi State leaders wanted to provide some continuity for the program, it?s clear they didn?t want to be locked into their new coach. The Bulldogs are currently 2-3. They should beat Western Michigan on Saturday, but after that comes a stretch of at Arkansas, at Auburn, Kentucky at home, and at Texas A&M. By the end of that, we might know whether Mississippi State leaders have a decision to make.
Arnett got a four-year deal that pays $3 million a year. His buyout calls for him to get 50 percent of the remaining amount on the contract. That means Mississippi State would owe Arnett $4.5 million over three years if it fired him after this season. But unlike Napier?s deal, Arnett?s also includes a duty to mitigate. In other words, the salary for Arnett?s next job would be subtracted from the buyout figure. Arnett has proven himself to be a very capable defensive coordinator, and it?s quite possible he could land a job either elsewhere in the SEC or somewhere in the Big Ten that would pay as much or more than the $1.5 million a year Mississippi State would owe him. So the Bulldogs might be able to make a change for relative pennies ? a rare occasion in today?s coaching contract environment.

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From Coaching HotSeat:

Zach Arnett, Mississippi State

Status: Incredibly perilous for a first-year coach

Most of the newer coaches in the Big Ten or SEC have little to worry about because they have laughably humungous buyouts (see the Billy Napier section above), but Arnett is in a very different situation. His promotion to head coach came after the sudden and tragic passing of Mike Leach, and while Mississippi State leaders wanted to provide some continuity for the program, it?s clear they didn?t want to be locked into their new coach. The Bulldogs are currently 2-3. They should beat Western Michigan on Saturday, but after that comes a stretch of at Arkansas, at Auburn, Kentucky at home, and at Texas A&M. By the end of that, we might know whether Mississippi State leaders have a decision to make.
Arnett got a four-year deal that pays $3 million a year. His buyout calls for him to get 50 percent of the remaining amount on the contract. That means Mississippi State would owe Arnett $4.5 million over three years if it fired him after this season. But unlike Napier?s deal, Arnett?s also includes a duty to mitigate. In other words, the salary for Arnett?s next job would be subtracted from the buyout figure. Arnett has proven himself to be a very capable defensive coordinator, and it?s quite possible he could land a job either elsewhere in the SEC or somewhere in the Big Ten that would pay as much or more than the $1.5 million a year Mississippi State would owe him. So the Bulldogs might be able to make a change for relative pennies ? a rare occasion in today?s coaching contract environment.

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It was a good contract for us and a good job by the president to make sure we have an out.

As long as there's an out it's hard to complain beyond "we should've done this or that" stuff. We just have to be prepared to use the out if things don't pick up. I feel better about the situation now.

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From Coaching HotSeat:

Zach Arnett, Mississippi State

Status: Incredibly perilous for a first-year coach

Most of the newer coaches in the Big Ten or SEC have little to worry about because they have laughably humungous buyouts (see the Billy Napier section above), but Arnett is in a very different situation. His promotion to head coach came after the sudden and tragic passing of Mike Leach, and while Mississippi State leaders wanted to provide some continuity for the program, it?s clear they didn?t want to be locked into their new coach. The Bulldogs are currently 2-3. They should beat Western Michigan on Saturday, but after that comes a stretch of at Arkansas, at Auburn, Kentucky at home, and at Texas A&M. By the end of that, we might know whether Mississippi State leaders have a decision to make.
Arnett got a four-year deal that pays $3 million a year. His buyout calls for him to get 50 percent of the remaining amount on the contract. That means Mississippi State would owe Arnett $4.5 million over three years if it fired him after this season. But unlike Napier?s deal, Arnett?s also includes a duty to mitigate. In other words, the salary for Arnett?s next job would be subtracted from the buyout figure. Arnett has proven himself to be a very capable defensive coordinator, and it?s quite possible he could land a job either elsewhere in the SEC or somewhere in the Big Ten that would pay as much or more than the $1.5 million a year Mississippi State would owe him. So the Bulldogs might be able to make a change for relative pennies ? a rare occasion in today?s coaching contract environment.

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Yeah, he's gone, barring a significant turnaround which is very unlikely to happen. He wasn't ready to be head coach.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I don't think we are about to relegated to the sunbelt for one losing season. However I do wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong in the Bryan building or the relationship between the big money boosters and the Bryan building. Because Stricklin leaving was a head scratcher.... but ok it's Florida. However then the next AD, who is a former MSU athlete, leaving for another sec rival... what the hell is going on here? Not a good sign.

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We are an on-the job training program for AD's. We must be somewhat good at it as our former guys are now at bama, AU, and FL. Now with NIL/Portal some of best players also leave, (We do however replace them with players who make little or no contributions it seems. See the poor evaluations by this staff on our players from this years portal class). No way they will kick us out of the SEC as we are their feeder program!*****

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Yeah, he's gone, barring a significant turnaround which is very unlikely to happen. He wasn't ready to be head coach.

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Yeah. We're not going to hamstring a first year AD with a bad contract that isn't his doing to the point where he can't do his job.

The best thing is the money we are saving should allow us to be very aggressive in the coaching market.

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?Weve seen enough. We couldnt beat Alabama and LSU so youre gone!?

Ha. Wow.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yeah. We're not going to hamstring a first year AD with a bad contract that isn't his doing to the point where he can't do his job.

The best thing is the money we are saving should allow us to be very aggressive in the coaching market.

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First we "saved money" by going cheap on Moorhead. Then we spent a bit more on Leach but still "saved money" on the overall staff relative to the SEC average. Then we "saved money" by hiring Arnett, promoting the DC from within, hiring and unproven G5 OC, and no real notable assistants. Then we "saved money" by not using NIL to get good Portal transfers for Football. Then we "saved money" by not firing Lemo. Then we "saved money" by not being able to get a baseball Portal transfer worthy of NIL. Moorhead buyout was relatively low for an SEC HC and -supposedly- was paid for with Seal money earmarked for that purpose. We are financially banking several million every year per any source you look at. OM out here paying a HC $8M a year and we're paying less than that for our entire football coaching staff. We have also been EXTREMELY fortunate on coaching buyouts over the last decade- Mullen left, JoMo was a cheap contract, Can was fired with cause, Henderson didn't need a buyout, Howland and Penson retired, etc. Most SEC school have spent 4x what we have on buyouts over the last 5 years. Facilities is a littel closer, we built a big baseball stadium. But all other schools still spend more than us on facilities overall.

SO yeah, we damned sure BETTER start spending on something.

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5 games in

?Weve seen enough. We couldnt beat Alabama and LSU so youre gone!?

Ha. Wow.

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Y'all act like LSU is good. They're 3-2.

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First we "saved money" by going cheap on Moorhead. Then we spent a bit more on Leach but still "saved money" on the overall staff relative to the SEC average. Then we "saved money" by hiring Arnett, promoting the DC from within, hiring and unproven G5 OC, and no real notable assistants. Then we "saved money" by not using NIL to get good Portal transfers for Football. Then we "saved money" by not firing Lemo. Then we "saved money" by not being able to get a baseball Portal transfer worthy of NIL. Moorhead buyout was relatively low for an SEC HC and -supposedly- was paid for with Seal money earmarked for that purpose. We are financially banking several million every year per any source you look at. OM out here paying a HC $8M a year and we're paying less than that for our entire football coaching staff. We have also been EXTREMELY fortunate on coaching buyouts over the last decade- Mullen left, JoMo was a cheap contract, Can was fired with cause, Henderson didn't need a buyout, Howland and Penson retired, etc. Most SEC school have spent 4x what we have on buyouts over the last 5 years. Facilities is a littel closer, we built a big baseball stadium. But all other schools still spend more than us on facilities overall.

SO yeah, we damned sure BETTER start spending on something.

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Fact is, going back to Mullen, our list of people that wanted our job has been less than stellar. Leach was by far the biggest name. The rest are a bunch of assistants or lower level guys that are meh. I know everyone thinks oh we can get so and so bc we're are in the sec. But our job is perceived as a tough job and guys like Napier wait for bigger jobs and won't touch it.

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Y'all act like LSU is good. They're 3-2.

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Fact is, going back to Mullen, our list of people that wanted our job has been less than stellar. Leach was by far the biggest name. The rest are a bunch of assistants or lower level guys that are meh. I know everyone thinks oh we can get so and so bc we're are in the sec. But our job is perceived as a tough job and guys like Napier wait for bigger jobs and won't touch it.

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Yeah we can't hire a "big name", but there's no reason we can't pay $10M total for a staff. And look at other SEC teams- TN hired a G5 coach who wasn't doing that hot. We could hire someone with a Huepel resume. Or look at Mizzou hiring the App St coach, we could have done that. SC hired a TE coach and it's working ok ish. Arky hired an OL coach and it's working ok ish. We hired JoMo and Arnett and both were epic failures.

Point is, there's good coaches we could land, but we historically SUCK at it. Epically so. I have my suspicion it's Keenum/boosters that are the cause. One more dud hire and it's confirmed we have an institutional problem.

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Fact is, going back to Mullen, our list of people that wanted our job has been less than stellar. Leach was by far the biggest name. The rest are a bunch of assistants or lower level guys that are meh. I know everyone thinks oh we can get so and so bc we're are in the sec. But our job is perceived as a tough job and guys like Napier wait for bigger jobs and won't touch it.

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Then offer a real salary compared to competitors and stop going cheap. And with all the crap going on in college football, our job looks better every day. It's weird how OM isn't perceived the same. That's because they're committed. Their record the last decade isn't something special. But look at them going and getting it instead of 17ing poor mouthing about everything and penny pinching the shit out of everything for the sake of the blue collar fans.

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Then offer a real salary compared to competitors and stop going cheap. And with all the crap going on in college football, our job looks better every day. It's weird how OM isn't perceived the same. That's because they're committed. Their record the last decade isn't something special. But look at them going and getting it instead of 17ing poor mouthing about everything and penny pinching the shit out of everything for the sake of the blue collar fans.

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I think we would offer a "real" salary for a guy worth it. We did to leach. But why pay 6 mil + just because. That's dumb. I'm talking g about we didn't even have any legit candidates of anyone remotely deserving a real salary.

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Our administration has been way worse than the fans. It's not close. They give the school millions from from our athletic budget and then rainy day fund millions instead of putting it into recruiting to help level the field. We prioritized 17ing baseball over everything. That's as dumb as it gets. We can't even get our damn new logo on the scoreboard but other schools have it on theirs when we go there. We've been so poorly operated by the good ole boys selling blue collar bullshit for so long the fans are finally sick of it.
I'm waiting to see how this circus of a football program goes the next two months to decide if I need to invest my money somewhere else. If we keep the circus in town after a losing record, I'm out. If they straighten out things, & win games or we fire Amatuer Hour for sucking, Im increasing my investment. Either MSU invests in the program, or they need to stop asking people to.

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This is where I am at as a fan too.