Yes... the anonymously owned "science" website that purposely distorts facts and has been proven to do so even within this very subject?Quote:
Originally Posted by SailingDawg
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Yes... the anonymously owned "science" website that purposely distorts facts and has been proven to do so even within this very subject?Quote:
Originally Posted by SailingDawg
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"Damar Hamlin suffered a cardiac arrest following a hit in the Buffalo Bills' game versus the Cincinnati Bengals. His heartbeat was restored on the field and he was transferred to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center for further testing and treatment. He is currently sedated and listed in critical condition."
Continue prayers to his family, teammates, coaches and Bills organization.
This is all that's important at this time.
Over 80% of American adults have had the COVID vaccine. So anytime someone dies and people are like "ooh, he was vaxxed!" well yeah, he probably was.
I'm a data/numbers guy. Use data to convince me and I'll beat the anti-vaxx drum as loud as anybody. But it's going to take more evidence than blaming every heart attack, stroke, overdose, dehydration, cancer, and suicide death on the vaccine. By what mechanism would the shot cause all of those deaths? Why would the shot be blamed for people who got it the week they died, but also 2 years before they died? And why would literally millions of medical professionals who don't benefit financially be in on this conspiracy?
The fact that people running that blog site explicitly refuse to say who they are and what their credentials are is a huge red flag to say the least. Basically admitting they're just random people who don't know what they're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
Nobody knows what exactly happened right now. Could it have been commotio cordis? Sure. Could he have had a hidden heart defect? Sure. Could there have complications from the vaccine? Sure.
It "could" have been anything but I prefer to focus on theories with actual evidence and not ones that were just made up on social media. Maybe I'm just a strange guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacknut
Complications from the COVID-19 vaccine were not "made up on social media". Why did the FDA want to dribble out 500 pages/month on the data (would have taken 75 years) they used to license the vaccine? https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health...ne-data-pronto :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
'NEVER' happened before ... in history of NFL! SINCE 1920!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
'NEVER' happened before ... in history of NFL! SINCE 1920!Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Nothing in this link provides any evidence that Hamlin's medical issue has anything with a vaccine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacknut
“If you get hit in the chest,” University of Maryland Medical System cardiologist Dr. Scott Jerome said, “if it happens between heartbeats in a very small window, it can put the heart in ventricular fibrillation.
“The heart stops beating,” said Jerome, an assistant professor of medicine.
I'm sorry, BUT in 97 years of NFL, thousands of players have been hit in the chest! IT'S NEVER happened before!
Actually there a quite a few heart related issues on this list. Maybe they are all time travelers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._their_careers
Yes it has. Detroit Lions player died on the field from a heart attack. It was discovered he had a heart condition with an artery that was 75% clogged. They believe a hit he received 3 plays before caused him to throw the clot and the heart attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
Do you understand how small of a time window and how small of a specific target it has to be and force needs to be applied in just the right way? The hit has to fast as well to fit in the time window.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
There's a reason it's more common in Hockey / Baseball. Small object at high velocity is more capable of meeting specific requirement than large object at medium to low velocity. It's very improbable but not impossible.
I already said we don't know what happened, but you can't write off it wasn't vaccine complications either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It's unfortunate but this actual thing, while not common, does happen in youth baseball(and lacrosse). I've been in tournaments where this has happened. It's why evoshield and several other companies started making chest guards for youth pitchers to wear about 20 years ago. And ask anyone that's ever caught anyone with high velo and took a foul ball to the chest. It absolutely can shock the heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
In the same sense that you "can't write off" alien viruses, Russian assassins, rare undiscovered diseases, etc. It's theoretically possible, but no evidence that actually suggests it, while there is evidence from cardiologists that it was the hit that caused a heart issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacknut
You can't write off that it wasn't Aliens zapping himQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacknut
with an invisible ray gun either.
Just because you technically can't rule something out doesn't mean it's worthy of investigation. You just sound like a loon trying to prove some grand conspiracy that ain't true.
Yep. It's awful and even those shields aren't 100%. I always say catchers are crazy. Don't know how they do it night in and night out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Right, they're definitely not 100%. My youngest son caught through youth baseball, 4 years of high school and 2 juco and he's still trying to recover from a shoulder injury he sustained last year at Gulf Coast. He got dinged up a lot. Praying that the Damar Hamlin has a complete recovery. Can't imagine what his family is going through right now. You can expect some injuries but nobody really thinks about this kind of thing happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
There's also the issue of correlation. Maybe 1 million people would have died of severe covid had they not vaxxed. These are the people prone to covid-induced clotting and other complications. How many of them had a less severe initial infection of covid due to the vaccine, but their predisposition to covid complications still caused a heart issue? Real world statistics are not random, they are driven by underlying fundamentals. And there are a lot of people prone to covid complications who got a covid vaccine. An effect among this subset is not indicative of an effect among the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
In other words, the numbers could be real, but the cause isn't the vaccine, it's covid.
That having been said, I am of the opinion that there was a time when getting the vaccine was warranted, but that time has passed if you've never gotten it. Boosters for those who did vaccinate? Jury is still out. Imo we need better testing of antibody levels to drive boosters, not attempts at one-size-fits-all calender-driven schedules for boosters. If your antibodies have dropped over time, and there's a wave coming, get a booster. Otherwise, don't. Continual boosters is not a solution.
I think the point was it happening in a game vs dying while on a roster. Checking the list looks like there was one guy that did die during a game in 1971 from cardiac arrest seemingly without any contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
The contact was probably three plays before on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
The Doc who invented the MRNA technology disagrees. He broke down why he thinks Commotio cordis is not a plausible explanation on:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
https://gettr.com/streaming/p23r4ho9720
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/statu...Cw8dGegNksAAAA
Dr Peter McCullough:
This recent paper from Dr. Polykretis and myself gets the sharp rise in athlete deaths into PUBMED. Since vaccination, "1598 athletes suffered cardiac arrest, 1101 of which with deadly outcome. Over a prior 38-years (1966-2004), 1101 athletes < age of 35 died (~29/yr).
That's 550.5 per year vs 29.
https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/s...57536162332672
Link to his study:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/sji.13242
Set up those straw men and knock them down all you want. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2788346
I can't believe I still have to remind people of this, but just because someone claims to have "invented MRNA vaccines" doesn't mean he really did. And in this case, he did not.
You've got one guy who is quoting Toilet Paper USA's Charlie Kirk as your source against a litany of doctors.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein
You've got another quoting the "good sciencing" data that everyone has already told you is a load of horseshit.
Look man, if you go searching hard and long enough, you'll find someone willing to peddle what bs narrative you want to push. Neither one of these guys are heart doctors and both are trying to peddle anti-vax narratives.
Literally every credible heart doctor you talk to will tell you exactly what it is. But hey, you probably think they're indoctrinated from their liberal education or something too.
This is why no one wants to argue with y'all anymore. Y'all refuse to even critique your own sources. You search for someone saying what you want the truth to be and run with it.
And the truth you want, is for there to be some big conspiracy cabal controlling the world. You want this because how else does it explain you working hard all your life and still not amounting to jack shit. It's gotta be some evil force. ****ing narcissistic idiots.
Thats the kicker here. What incentive do literally millions of medical professionals have to be in a global vaccine conspiracy? None.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Before this thread gets locked unfortunately, but would like to leave this here. Either the hit sent him into a Letha rhythm or he had an MIQuote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
Well, to be fair, group think is a thing, and there's the incentive to minimize discussion of complications so as to not deter vaccination. Besides, doctors are notorious for being bad at statistics (especially relative to their education level).Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
This. Amazing how a thread about an unfortunate incident and concern for the young man turned into a vaccine war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
All of them though? If the COVID vaccine is actually harmful, it is without question the greatest scandal and largest conspiracy in human history. Millions of people are in on it and not one of them slipped up and revealed it? Not one decided to blow the whistle?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Ironic... during the pandemic, these same people claimed no one actually died from Covid, but now, wholeheartedly believe the vaxx is killing people left and right. Politics can make normally sane people, ignorant as hell.
"the nail that sticks out gets hammered."Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
You're right CC, I apologize for taking the bait. Continued prayers for Damar Hamlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Harmful relative to what? What if not vaccinating carries a 1% risk, but vaccinating carries a 0.001% risk? It would entirely be in keeping with past practice for docs to ignore the latter. And like I said in other posts, there's likely a high degree of correlation between those harmed by/concurrent with the vaccine and those that would have been harmed worse by covid without the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It's not like vaccine complications are new. There's a whole govt agency set up to compensate those affected by it.
I mean, we see how these deniers are. You don't think docs want to avoid feeding their idiocy?
But no, there's no way a million docs are in on some grand secret. But that's not the same as just ignoring an argument over whether the vaccine completely eliminates your risk (no complications) or just vastly reduces it (some complications, but orders of magnitude less risk than the full blown disease), especially when we don't really have the data to know which it is. It's entirely expected that docs would just bow out of that discussion, they do it in dozens maybe hundreds of other ways.
I mean, we are talking about the same profession that said germs weren't real until all the old docs died and were replaced by young docs that accepted the evidence. Among other examples, like covid being airborne. Group think is strong among doctors.
Not on this issue. Anti-vaxx crusaders are raking in tons of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Also, who is their license to practice as a Dr tied to? There are a lot of controlling factors to what we say and do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho