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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
No. You do not fire a coach that went to Omaha back to back years and won a schools only National Championship. That is next level dumbness.
If it’s a recurring thing, yes he needs to go. But the man has built a two year minimum of whatever happens.
No excuse for Miss State not making SEC conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
Yeah, all those injuries didn't matter at all. We likely make the SEC tournament without those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Anyone wanting to fire the coach has lost their damn mind.
Our pitching was good enough to keep us in games. Hell there are teams we won the series that were in the SEC tournament. Injuries has nothing to do with the shit eggs they laid the last three weeks or the lack of getting timely hits when guys in scoring positions. I am sick and tired of hearing about injuries. Recruit and better ****ing bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If we get one win from LSU, one from Florida, one from A&M or one more from Missouri we are in. No excuse. We were swept four weekends. NO excuse. I held my mouth all season waiting on them to come alive but they just laid down and gave up the last three weeks. That's on coaching.
You can think what you want about me but go look at my profile and I am never negative about coaches, players or teams at MSU. If I can't say something good then I keep quiet. However not this time. Not making the SEC tournament is unacceptable to me. Bare minimum a coach should get Miss State to that every year. We are Miss State baseball. We were the first school to go big and take it seriously. Every one else followed us. We fell behind then what we do, we set the new standard. Argue all you want but I will never change my opinion. They better turn it around next season.
We're closer to last in the league in NIL money than we are to the top of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Are you saying we should clean house now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
What I am saying is that I am pissed off. Go from winning Natty to not making to Conference Tourney. That's unacceptable. It has to fix now or it will keep getting worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
This fact is missed by most, and where we really are would shock them. Because it doesn't fit the narrative, and they can't understand that as of July 1 last year the playing field changed forever and for the worse for MSU in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I get what you’re saying but at the same time it’s very irrational. Sports does that to people.
Here are some things to look at… has this ever happened in Lemonis career? No
Have we even seen what type of changes he is going to make to the roster? No (although some has begun to happen)
We simply do not know at this point how we will look in 3 months.
I’d wait to go all scorched earth until things shake out.
Is that specific to baseball or our total NIL Budget? Either way that sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
How much NIL money do we have for baseball? One of the TAMU boards said they have 10 million in NIL money for baseball. Not sure if that's true, but it made me wonder about ours.
I cant verify- but my understanding is that we raised around $3MM TOTAL so far. As in TOTAL for all sportsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Holy BajeezussQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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But, not enough to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And you are 100% right, but Lemonis isn't getting fired period this year. If he hadn't win the Natty last year more would be calling for his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Lemon has 2 more years at least. Natty gives you stroke. But he does have to fix the shit and another sub-par in 23 would put him on the hotseat for 24.
If true, Over the long term, MSU and "Dude Effect" is swordsman- Texas A&M with $30M bucks is Indiana Jones. But Texas fans are frequently full of shit, we'll seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
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That's my worry, but we got a natty at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
It's terrible if true, hence Chernobyl blowing up...the "not terrible" was meant ironically, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
The State way would be starting a fund like GoFundMe where State grads would donate $10, $20, $50 bucks. The State family is large and will donate like crazy in small donations- but we lack the big money boys that can throw a million here or there. We are the Army- not the Generals
This gives me College Sports Jock Rash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We'd still get buried with this as our only strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
There's no reason to everybody on here can't donate at least $250 a year. Honestly, if you're not willing to do that, don't complain.
We’re getting buried now. We have to go outside the boxQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Go Fund Me is a skimmer site, takes a direct bite from the hide. 3% or so.
Venmo with a password to watch Fall Ball and Maroon-White Series is better. With play-by-play with Jay Powell and Ron Polk.
I don't want to be fed media bullshit about Stinnett's electric stuff or Cerantola not walking anybody over 18 innings. Or Bryce Chance being the new Ichiro.
Especially this year, that password would be worth 250.
The athletes are placing themselves in direct competition with the university for booster and tv money.
Yesterday, Nappier said the athletes should get a cut of the TV money. Ok Billy, what line items on the current athletic budget are you cutting to add athlete payroll expense?
Ok big booster, here is your $50000 bill for the suite for the season.
Hey mr booster, this is Bulldog Initiative, give us $50000 for the next recruiting class?
My Booster has to double down or has a decision to make.
States greatest hope is players turn down nil money or transfer out after a year or two from the big money schools.
I'm sure the money is nice at the rich schools but you would think at some point, the players on the bench just want to play. Not just be held on the shelf as inventory.
Bingo, within 5 years we could be finding it very difficult to be competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But that’s the problem. NIL is there for transfers and they are shopping for top dollarQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
We have had more people and business step up since last year. We are over that number by a large margin. The issues we had early on have been somewhat rectified but could still use some work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We were very unorganized at the start and we all know why (leadership), and that's probably where that 3MM was coming from with the early struggles.
Nothing like millionaires telling everyone how to spend money. Some of these coaches are out of control. It's 17ing ridiculous to pay insane amounts to a college athlete and coaches. They deserve some money, but not insane money. I'd just assume scrap athletics. And at some point, when the richest schools are playing in a seperate division, things might normalize a littleQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I get it. However the point I was trying to make is, at some point it is a numbers game. There is only so many positions on the field and the window of opportunity is only 4-5 years. How long is a very good baseball player happy on the bench vs taking less money every month to actually be in the starting line up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The top dollar will get and retain the best of the best. But at some point, some good talent will ignore the money to get an opportunity to actually play. I hope.
The whole thing is turning into garbage. This is WAY worse than pro sports. Big time college sports is now turning into what pro sports would be if there were no team salary caps and no multi year contracts. Eventually only the richest schools with the richest boosters will have any chance to compete at a high level in any of the sports that have any fan interest. If that is what it's coming to then yes, I am fine with just shutting it down. I can just watch pro sports at that point because they do at least give every team in the league a chance to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I wish these conferences and schools would quit ***** footing around. Have a meeting. Get OHSt Mich and a few others in the "sec" and be done with it. The "sec" becomes the new CFA and lets go.
The names on the athletic facilities are repeating themselves and that?s not a good thing.
Money hasn't effective USM. Just saying. Baseball I'm saying. So many good baseball players who don't get attention.
Jake Mangum seemed to think highly of Lemonis. I think I'll trust his judgment since he was proven correct on the "first championship" prediction.
If A&M buys 2 good catchers, only one can play. The lesser of the 2 will transfer, we may be able to outbid some other schools for "used car" prices... but we will still be playing a catcher that is worse than the one A&M has.
USM does a great job of finding under the radar guys... but that's 1) really hard to do long term, and 2) really hard to be elite without top flight MLB talent like Bednar or Sims, who we will lose to big NIL contracts.
College athletics is OVER for State. It just is. We will literally be outspent 10:1 by over a dozen programs in every sport. Pooling all NIL money into baseball would help, but I guarantee you the big school will double what we have in that sport.
Imagine a 2nd draft: right now, MLB takes most of the top HS talent. State was still even with other college teams because MLB affected us all. But imagine of after the MLB, there was a 2nd draft and A&M, Texas, TN, etc bought $8m worth of the HS guys left, and THEN State went to recruiting the leftovers along with the other "poor" Colleges. That is our reality
It won't be this way too long. Probably a 3-4 year window before it implodes and measures are put into place.