I am optimistic. I think our defense won't be very good, but we have an offense that can hopefully make up some of that.
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I am optimistic. I think our defense won't be very good, but we have an offense that can hopefully make up some of that.
And, I thought Joe Borrow had left. Chase back now, too? Thought 3/4 of last years starters + many backups left too along with 5 starters for Covid. My bad! Just one asst left!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Our defense may very well be Sirmon bad or whatever. But I will say that I think being aggressive on defense may help mask some things here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
To me basically it comes down to how well our JUCO guys like Jordan Davis and Kyle Cass do and also if some of our freshmen like Emmanuel Forbes and Janari Dean can be contributors early in their career.
Got to get Jordan Davis healthy. Not practicing last week, in a boot
I tried not to post much from my sources who has been at practice since day one. But I feel like I need to interject some things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Our offense is ahead of any other team ML has been at first year. We still need a little more consistent play from our 2s at WRs. This OL is better than 18 at WSU. Best RBs room staff has ever had.
Defense. Point blank better than expected but little depth at CB. Young guys are very talented just lack experience. DL and LB will be a major surprise this year. We have four big time DL and we have some young depth that will play. Some of those young guys will go 100% but they don't have a total grasp of the D just yet but talent is their. The JUCO class will be special. Point blank. Not a Sweat guy but Davis is the real deal when healthy. Have some players in the back 7 safety is deeper than CB which will mask some CB issues.
We will be better than you and others think according to what I'm told
That sounds very good! Rep given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Totally reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
No one is beating their chest about it or anything.
this is where my expectations are at .... I enjoy reading and discussion on this but it really sounds like we are trying to talk ourselves into a win ... even with the loss of key players they will still have control over our game. The following two years are where higher expectations should begin. Objectively speaking we still really have absolutely no idea what to expect from this offense other than it HAS to be better than JoMo's BS of last year. I would expect the line to be above 12 by kickoffQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The funniest thing about being Sirmon bad on defense - we just about beat LSU that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Hope you are right. I too have sources. Mine sources and your sources disagree about defense. At least up until now. As I said earlier, jucos need to step up and some do later in the year. But at present, we aren't good on d. And our wr are marginal at best. With our schedule still hope for 5-5. ML will win here, just to what magnitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
The funny thing is I expect our record to be 4-6 this year. I think the major difference in you and I is how well we think LSU will be. There is no way they are anything better than a mediocre sec team if they have 2 more people leave as expected by many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Big time disagree with it being Sirmon level if Arnett is a good coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Then Sirmon defense was one which players didn’t know what they were doing. Our current talent level is good enough to avoid that so long as the players are well coached
I?m gonna guess your both right and your source either sees things differently or were at practice on different days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
We can have 10 posters watch an actual MSU game on TV that we lose by 10 points and 5 of those posters will say we got skull drug and the other 5 will point to 3 plays that changed the game and otherwise we would?ve won.
That's a good point. Could be.....But it would have to be sees things differently.......Which as you pointed out is possible. But either way the wool here is way too heavy w our D.... I remain hopeful w the offense, Kylin could be special in space .....Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I just can't see us being Sirmon bad on defense. I refuse to believe we will be THAT BAD. Average, below average but not totally putrid.
Our D has some holes for sure. It staff is encouraged by the progress being made. What I am saying is that we are better than what some have said. Big thing here is we are flying to the ball and practices are physical. Verbatim. "I was here under Dan and these practices are more physical than under Dan".Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Another thing to point out is that during fall camp it's usually 4 weeks of practice this year it's 6 weeks. We are in installation and repping now. This being said I'm not saying we are going 10-0 but I was told we have more talent than people think.
So I agree with you to some extent and disagree with you as well. I'm just ready to kick off
What about marks in space?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Just beat lsu, damn it
Sirmon level defense means Arnett sucks and guys are out of position.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I’ll never forget that year watching an Auburn RB run a simple flat route in the end zone and go completely uncovered.
I think our D could be like Ole Miss’ last year under McIntyre if Arnett is good. Their defense wasn’t great or good but McIntyre was good and they were substantially improved from the year before and competed.
Exactly, Sirmon was a horrible coach. Completely clueless. I just don't see Arnett being Sirmon level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The defense was extremely talented when Sirmon was here. A good DC turned those same players into an above average unit by simply having them in position. If we have Sirmon level talent we will be fine. The problem is that I don’t believe we have Sirmon Year talent at some spots.
You will always have posters on here who will be negative about all things Miss State sports. They live for it. They hope for the worse and when things go better than what they say they disappear. Why I don't know but thanks for you being positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Was it that talented?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
That was Simmon?s FR year and before the JUCOs came in. That was the gap year where the talent was really young.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/team/430/tackle/index.html
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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Originally Posted by TrapGame
Off topic a little, but all this Sirmon talk had me interested to see if he was still a position coach a Cal, where he'd been since leaving Louisville's defense in ruins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Well, he's still at Cal, but somehow he's continued rising the ranks. First an LB coach there, then last year co-DC with Tim DeRuyter (who's been solid there as DC for several years), and, what do you know, now he's officially the DC at Cal with DeRuyter being the co-DC. Why the change? Sirmon's still a hot commodity and they wanted to lock it down. Seriously. That's why:
Gotta give it to the guy. His voodoo powers of persuasion are legitimately terrifying.Quote:
The California Golden Bears have four new coaches on staff, but it was announced at Wednesday's first spring practice that the defensive coordinator roles will flip between Peter Sirmon and Tim DeRuyter.
DeRuyter has had the title of defensive coordinator for the past three seasons since Justin Wilcox assembled his first coaching staff in 2017. And Cal?s defense has been its strongpoint throughout that time.
But citing "staff continuity," Wilcox announced Wednesday that Peter Sirmon will take over as defensive coordinator, which includes play-calling duties. DeRuyter will remain at Cal as co-defensive coordinator and associate head coach.
Sirmon was previously hired by Wilcox in 2018, after recent one-year stops as a defensive coordinator at Louisville and Mississippi State.
Many reports this offseason had Sirmon high on the "wish list" of other Power-5 schools looking for a defensive coordinator. Cal ensured those offers would not sway him by making the promotion.
ETA: Sirmon's defense here was awful. But what we did last year under Shoop wasn't far behind.
Sirmon graduated from the Joey Freshwater School of Self Promotion.
Failing Upward University**Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
They think he's a difference maker down the road. He's gonna step in and play right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The Sirmon level defense was meant by where would could possibly end up statistically. All i have heard about Arnett is praise. Give the guy Jeffery Simmons and bet he doesn't do what Sirmon did w him....Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I don’t see a defense that bad as possible if Arnett is above averageQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
That defense was 110 nationally. It’s virtually impossible with the amount of talent we have on defense to be this bad as long as guys play hard and are generally in the right spot
If we are running to the ball, then we are already better than the Sirmon product. Because that defense ran away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
It was very similarly talented to what we have this year IMO. I may be off but Simmons as a freshman was still an outstanding player. Our biggest problem was no one knew what the hell to do. After 10 games we didn’t make Arkansas punt. We were getting worse throughout the year. That was the most embarrassing Defensive performance I have ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Sirmon's philosophy was wait for the ball to come to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by hp22
Damn, don't those head coaches watch film of his previous stops? SMHQuote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
2016 and 2019's defenses were almost identical in SEC play. Guess which one's which:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Total Defense (yds per game / yds per play)
Team A: 11th / 12th
Team B: 10th / 12th
Scoring Defense
Team A: 12th
Team B: 10th
Yards per pass attempt allowed
Team A: 14th
Team B: 13th
Yards per rush allowed
Team A: 11th
Team B: 9th
3rd Down defense
Team A: 10th
Team B: 11th
Red Zone TD% allowed
Team A: 13th
Team B: 9th
20+ yard plays allowed
Team A: 13th
Team B: 12th
National S&P+ defense ranking
Team A: 70th
Team B: 61st
Y'all see much difference there? Because I don't.
Not trying to harp on how bad the defense was last year but I think it's relevant to talking about the prospects for this year. Sirmon was inept here. But Shoop, a well-respected defensive mind, produced a terrible product here last year, too, and that performance has more direct bearing on 2020 than 2016. I'm really hoping that the S&C and discipline improvements, along with the scheme shift and whatever good juju Arnett's got going for him will right the ship. Grantham was able to do it in a big way in 2017, but he had 59% of 2016's production returning. Arnett's got less that 50% coming back this year. (48% as of January. I'm guessing it's a little lower now because of Lovett's and Jones' transfers to FSU.) Tall task. I'm stoked to see him give it a whirl, though.
Team A was Sirmon's?
Nope. Team A is 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein
The lack of player continuity and S&C killed the defense last year. And, I think the defense quit a little due to them being so heavily impacted by tutorgate.
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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein
Brunswick wins the prize! Which is nothing!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I don't know what killed the defense last year. But it sucked. Bad.
Shoop had a really, really weird run. As a defensive coordinator in the SEC for four straight years, he produced three defenses ranked 10th or worse in the SEC in just about every major defensive statistical category that there is. Scoring D, Total D, Red Zone D, Rushing D, etc. And then in the middle of all that suckitude, he produced the best defense in the entire country.
It really makes me think that there was so much motivated talent on that 2018 Defense that I could have coached them and had the top defense in the country. They really were just next level. 11 guys off that defense in NFL camps right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
I think he can be more explosive than Hill (not necessarily this year).Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
2019 was without autry at dl, gay at lb, and Murphy at safety. Not to mention dantzler for almost half the year at CB. Give 2019 those 3 suspended guys and ******* culture (in which dantzler plays) and the 2019 defense is much better. Look at the difference those guys made when they played (ky, TN, OM, Ark). 2019 > 2016.