Guys, we have the Baltimore Ravens openly calling for the arrest of the officer just a day after the incident and before the investigation is completed and the facts are released. This is incredible.
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Guys, we have the Baltimore Ravens openly calling for the arrest of the officer just a day after the incident and before the investigation is completed and the facts are released. This is incredible.
In 2019, police shot 14 unarmed black men (some were justified and some were not). In 2019, black males committed over 5000 murders. Tell me again what our problem is? What should we be protesting? Who should Lebron James fear the most statistically?
Each and every case stands alone and people that are in the wrong must be held accountable. But there are some big lies out there that are taken as fact with absolutely no search for the truth.
This is how you should be looking at. I applaud your willingness to admit you can't know what's best for them or what they experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Dawg
There is absolutely nothing statistically to back up these claims, which is why most people call bullshit. When 12 % of the population makes up over 50 % of violent crimes they are going to have more run ins with the law. How about putting yourself in the position of the police officers that have to try and keep law and order with people like our football Team demanding they be brought to justice for doing their job when those people have no clue what they are talking about or what it is like to make a split decision that will determine whether or not you go home to your family. The issue is that people believe they should be able to resist and fight police officers without fear of being hurt or killed. That is 100 % BS. When you break the law and the officer is arresting you, comply with him or you run a high risk of getting your ass killed. The lack of respect for authority is what gets people killed in almost every single case we have seen protested. It’s ridiculous. Please, go on a ride along with a police officer for a couple of days, or just go sit and talk with some police officers. Your opinion may change. These people deal with the worst parts of society on a DAILY basis. No one calls the police because everything is going smoothly. They walk into the most difficult situations with very little time to make a judgement call on a regular basis. They are not the ones who need to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Who gives a crap. I hope they see it!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Well I know that if they support a group, BLM, whose stated goal is killing cops I will no longer support them. I just saw a poster from a BLM riot last night that read "ALL MY HEROES KILL COPS" along with the dead cops now chant that is common at BLM riots there is nothing good or respectable about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
This idiocy has gone on for far too long, the players support this and want to be part of it, so be it, my time and money will go elsewhere.
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You and LC hit the nail on the head. And, I think Coach Leach's tweet about it exemplifies why they agreed and participated in the day out today.
I don't think most people understand how what is going on nationally impacts kids right now. Kids in college today (which includes my own kids) have grown up in a country actively at war their entire lives. Many of them grew up in families heavily impacted by the Great Recession. Lots of them have friends or family who have been killed in gun violence, or died from overdoses. They have been told their entire lives to trust the adults, trust in the teachings of God, to believe in doing the right thing - and at every turn we, the adults are failing them. Our leaders are corrupt. Our churches are judgmental and sanctimonious. Our police system shows us daily how out of whack and inconsistent it is - so that something as innocent as a traffic stop can lead to your death. They see that our belief in gun culture is so strong that we'd rather produce bullet proof backpacks and have shooter training in schools than try to do something meaningful about gun violence. Or hey, in my community you could be jogging a mile from your house and be chased and gunned down by three vigilante rednecks for stopping to check out a house under construction. Throw the pandemic and all the death and lunacy surrounding it, and these are very stressful times. It's confusing. It's scary as hell, they want it ALL to stop, and the protests have become the vehicle to show that. It's a vehicle to show that you recognize that there is a whole lot of F'd up stuff in this country right now and that they don't want to continue down these paths. And I don't blame them at all.
Screw that ... I sure don't need some college aged guys trying to give me lessons in life when they don't even bother to ascertain the facts or objectively think things through ... they are only doing this because of those professional idiots doing the same thing ..... I was taught in college to think for myself but I guess it's a totally different curriculum being pushed these days. Yes I can be pushed away - I'll simply go back to hunting on Saturdays like I used to do
ETA - was not replying to General Sherman ... meant to be a response to OP
Why not release it now with audio? Seriously. That would clear up some stuff.
Areas of poverty, violence, poor schools, drug use, and low SES have a strong correlation to the breakdown of the family unit and a lack of two parents in the home. The organization BLM opposes the family unit and says so on its website.
That's the problem. People won't separate a peaceful protest with a simple message from diversion tactics and political smokescreens. Our players don't care about the organization BLM. They are using the phrase in the literal sense. Our players have no connection whatsoever with a bunch of white guys with skateboards looting and rioting. None. Yet people place that responsibility and what they read on a website about BLM at their feet when they decide to sit out of practice one day. Its absurd and shouldn't be that hard to separate the two, but this is the type of country we are living in right now.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I don't want to discount polices officers. Their job is very hard. But there has to be a middle ground here and there has to be willingness for both sides to listen. I realize that's probably an impossible thing at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Chef Dixon is correct right there. On any topic, the ability to listen to the other side and use common sense is a lost art in today?s climate
They also admit that they (the leaders) are trained Marxists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyhy4IvkENgQuote:
Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman
That same woman (Patrisse Cullors) along with another BLM founder in LA (Dr Melina Abdullah) speak about calling, invoking, and resurrecting spirits in a zoom call on YouTube. BLM is a purely evil organization. Here's a few quotes from that zoom call:
“Maybe I’m saying too much but, we become very intimate with the spirits that we call on regularly. Each of them seems to have a different presence and personality, you know I laugh a lot with ?Wakisha? you know and I didn’t meet her in her body, I met her through this work.” - Dr. Melina Abdullah
“Hashtags for us are way more than a hashtag it is literally almost resurrecting spirits so they can work through us to get the work that we need to get done.” - Patrisse Cullors
There's loads more weird stuff. Here's the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEnerFMVaY
Look man you seem to be extremely level headed. I understand that these are young impressionable guys that are probably just fed up with all of the craziness going on right now. I am too. I'm willing to listen to a real solution to a problem that I personally don't even believe exists on a large scale if it will help the country move forward. I don't want to stop supporting MSU. It is something that has shaped and molded me and brought me closer to my dad for my entire life. They have given me my most precious memories in my life, outside of my wife and kids. I want a solution, but we can't continue to vilify the police. We can talk about changing policies and such, but most of the time these police officers are killing people within their own protocol, getting off for it, and then everyone is raising hell about them not being held accountable. Not knowing what a police officer is trained to do when you are being arrested and don't comply is killing a lot more people in this country than racist cops are. I feel like we have a lot of displaced anger towards people who are simply trying to do their job to the best of their ability. Cops are 100% aware of the current climate we are in. They are being preached to DAILY about how they can't do anything at all that can even remotely be seen as racist or unnecessary. They know the stakes. For people to think these guys with families are intentionally going out and targeting black people with the technology today to just put everything on film and catch you red handed is just not reality.Quote:
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"Funny i didn't see anyone protesting the 5 y/o that got shot last week by a grown 'black' man."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannyripms
I fixed it. The media wouldn't have an issue pointing that out if the roles were reversed. You don't hear much about the black man that shot and killed a white 21 y/o girl and her stepfather after he rear ended them in South Carolina and nearly attempted to kill another man at the scene. Racial tensions wouldn't be what they were if the media didn't selectively air only one side. Makes it seem like it's only black people being gunned down.
Per the arrest report and the warrant, this is not true. If he raped a kid, his charge would have been more severe.Quote:
Originally Posted by redstickdawg
I'll admit if I'm wrong, and I'm not saying Blake should not have been arrested, but it should have taken more than 2 minutes to try and de escalate the situation.
This is a tough situation for me. I support our players and their right to protest injustices and don't get me wrong I believe that police do target African Americans more than whites. Talk to some of them and hear their stories. It's real. You can hear the fear in their voice when they tell their stories. And these are from people who have done nothing wrong other than being somewhere where they're perceived to be not welcome. However, the Jacob Blake situation rubs me the wrong way in terms of protesting it. This is a situation where a guy was breaking the law being where he wasn't supposed to be, resisting arrest, and then reaching for something in his vehicle which turned out to be a knife. I don't know what else they wanted the cops to do in that situation. All I've heard is outrage with no solution. Professional athletes claiming to want justice but their actions and words look and sound like all they want is revenge. I've heard no viable solutions and it doesn't seem to me that they're even willing to talk to anyone. Kushner is trying to reach out to LeBron James and it seems like he won't have a conversation with him. That's a pretty damn powerful man to be turning down an opportunity to speak with. There just doesn't seem to be an end in sight because despite everything they claim to want, it doesn't seem like they want to take the steps to do that.
What views? I've tried to find what specifically was being protested, but crickets. If the point is to call attention to racial issues with police, ok. If it is to protest the shooting of Jacob Blake, that is a different situation, mostly bc our administration is encouraging the players and, therefore, our students may very well think it is ok to do what Blake did and not expect to be shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
I would hope we use this as an opportunity to educate students and have discussions about police encounters, preferably with police.
They enjoy being the victim class to really put forth effort for change.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The guy got up from being tased and fighting with POLICE, walked to a car full of kids, and reached into a car to grab something that the police could not see while they tried to get him to stop the entire time. This is 100 % Blake's fault and he is extremely lucky he is not dead. No one in this country should expect to do what that man did and walk away alive. This is the issue. People think cops ordering you to do something when you're being arrested is an option. This isn't the case. I can't imagine being arrogant enough to do what that man did.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
Its not just one specific situation. This whole thing is a continuum. Its a general protest to continue to raise awareness of underlying racial issues/biases in this country, whether obvious or subconscious. You don't have to agree with them, but its pretty obvious that is what this is all about at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
A timely plug that most of you could find the echo chamber you're looking for over at https://sippolitics.com/
And I have no problem with this. However, in this continuum I've yet to hear any real solutions. Seems they just want revenge and then move on to the next outrage. And I believe that they're people out there trying to give real solutions, but the problem is that the cancel culture and woke mob has drowned out their voices with their calls for revenge. They can call it justice, but all they're doing is calling for an eye for an eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Ok. Did the players tell you that? That may be true but people on page 1 of this thread who know people on the team say it was about Blake. I admittedly don't know. Hadad said he was there and it was not clear specifically what was being protested.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
For the people who believe Blake should not have been shot, what do you believe the officer should have done when Blake reached into the vehicle?
Quit using logic it confuses those that support this crap. Blake was part of the continuum of people fighting police and suffering a bad outcome, in certain folks view this automatically is the cops fault. There are no solutions put forth, it is pure unadulterated hatred.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Don't you know that Blake had a right to rape and threaten others? Just like George Floyd had a right to pass counterfeit $20 bills, Alton Sterling had a right to threaten others with a gun, etc.
America does not punish crime with summary execution. This is the most anti-American thing I have seen in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by redstickdawg
Is it now, you really construed my words into something that was not said or intended, quite interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
He wasn't killed because of the counterfeit money, that led to the attempted arrest. He then fought the police and then it escalated out of control. The act of fighting police is an extremely dangerous tactic, not something advisable at all. If he didn't try to pass fake $20 or fight the police we would never know his name. THat was 100% in his control, but it was the cops fault. How about the high levels of fentanyl found in his system could that have had an impact on the outcome? Let the facts come out before we decide that the cop is guilty. I know from what I have seen it is not good for him, but we don't know the full story either.
To keep this sports related - not Kenosha related - all teams will be faced with activism. That's gonna happen. Even in Geology departments you will have some kids demanding that class be cancelled for this and that. Right now, it's only the race issues. Already, you had Harvard-Yale with Climate occupation. So, even if the players are content, you could have a climate march that takes over Bryant-Denny before the Iron Bowl.
This is a common variable when a nation develops extreme left wing populism. Some colleges might become like Mexico's UNAM, Oregon and Cal already well on the way. Students and Professors are always in some state of unionization, boycott, strike, sit-in, occupation, flash-mob, march etc. Some kids start college at 18 and don't graduate until 25, because semesters and years spent on strike, in marches, or in boycott.
Even British soccer teams might have player strikes, they watch a lot of USA news over-there, except that game check might be forfeited with Professionals on strike.
This could be a variable for betting.
I'm very close to just forgetting about sports, including Miss. State. It's just not worth the drama anymore.
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Ironic since you've been a big contributor to this thread. Why don't you start one over there? Or is it not comfortable for you anymore since not everyone on this thread thinks like you?Quote:
Originally Posted by bostondawg
I support what our players did yesterday and I am VERY proud to call myself a Bulldog today.
Agreed. It?s incredible to me that the general message on here is a bunch of old white dudes who have NEVER experienced racism in their lives saying these kids haven?t seen the real world.... mf YOU haven?t seen the real world. Growing up white is the greatest privilege in America. Why can?t those on here just admit that, and realize there are bigger things than sports? Support the players or find a new team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
Lots of stereotyping and assumptions made here. Now, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
There are bigger things than sports and that's why i don't give two shits about a few of these players and won't give a dime directly to MSU athletics ever again. Enjoy your empty stadium with Nelly and Friends.
As typically happens, ideas and movements get hijacked. Cities and private property being burned clouds messaging. People aren?t able to think critically and no one is able to voice a concise plan to right wrongs in society.