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11-19-2019, 12:04 PM
DanDority

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I can't take it anymore. Like Cadaver said, this shit has to end.

Bo Bounds is going on and on this morning about how if Joe wins the Egg Bowl, he'll be back &, if he loses, there will be change.

If that's the case, they Hotty 17in Toddy.

I have a fear that Joe is going to have some Malzahn in him & put forth the best game plan in 2 years next week against Ole Miss just to save his job. He strikes me as one of those types that stubbornly uses his & only his offense until his job is on the line at which point in time he'll just do whatever it takes to win. Joe will have us running the option & power spread next Thursday night. You just watch

I remember back to 2008 & how good Croom getting destroyed by Ole Miss was for our program & I feel the same at this time.

HYDR Hotty Toddy

https://youtu.be/f5vKyQFdGQ8
11-19-2019, 12:04 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'm going to say something that will get me blasted. It sucks, but it is the TRUTH. We ain't Florida State. There is the rub. Us doing it will not be perceived the same way as them doing it. People are going to bring up Arkansas as well. Their team this year might be the worst SEC team in the last 40 years, and they were almost as bad last year. It would be between them and Tech and 10 here. We aren't even the worst team THIS year. They won't be perceived like we will be either.

The perception in the media is Joe was given a ready built program and has underachieved greatly for two years. This not a rebuild no matter how many times Joe say it is in his pressers.
11-19-2019, 12:06 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I hope we beat them by a FG but it is because we had like 3 pick 6s.

That is the kind of win we need - a luck win to move on. Best of both worlds.
11-19-2019, 12:07 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

The perception in the media is Joe was given a ready built program and has underachieved greatly for two years. This not a rebuild no matter how many times Joe say it is in his pressers.

I'm not talking about the idiots in the media.
11-19-2019, 12:09 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

Ever heard of the old saying "dress for the job you want not the one you have"? If we aspire to be taken seriously in this thing called college football, losing to this OM team is unacceptable.

OK, then we need a 100k stadium and better football facilities across the board. That would be the equivalent of "dressing for the job we want."
11-19-2019, 12:09 PM
trojandawg

We need to get beat ole miss and get to 6-6 and then he needs to go elsewhere. that's the best case scenario right now or he need completely change who he is as a coach. i don't think that's going to happen though.
11-19-2019, 12:10 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by DanDority

https://youtu.be/f5vKyQFdGQ8

Hell Yeah!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5vK...ature=youtu.be
11-19-2019, 12:26 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'm not talking about the idiots in the media.

Then whose perception worries you? Enlighten me Gandhi.
11-19-2019, 12:28 PM
RezDog7

This is so stupid. Who the fans cheer for has zero impact on the game. Go straight to hell OM.
11-19-2019, 12:31 PM
Matt3467

I'll put it this way to all of you that are on the fence and those completely against supporting a loss vs OM. If you knew the only way Jo doesn't come back as our coach next year is an OM loss do you want MSU to lose?

The way I see it is that if Jo comes back next year that's a loss. Why cry about losing the one game that has the highest chance to rid us of this coach when him coming back is much more detrimental to the future than one loss. We know all we need to know about this guy. He is not the answer. The next guy might not be either but we KNOW Jo isn't the right one.
11-19-2019, 12:43 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I can't take it anymore. Like Cadaver said, this shit has to end.

Bo Bounds is going on and on this morning about how if Joe wins the Egg Bowl, he'll be back &, if he loses, there will be change.

If that's the case, they Hotty 17in Toddy.

I have a fear that Joe is going to have some Malzahn in him & put forth the best game plan in 2 years next week against Ole Miss just to save his job. He strikes me as one of those types that stubbornly uses his & only his offense until his job is on the line at which point in time he'll just do whatever it takes to win. Joe will have us running the option & power spread next Thursday night. You just watch

I remember back to 2008 & how good Croom getting destroyed by Ole Miss was for our program & I feel the same at this time.

HYDR Hotty Toddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5vKyQFdGQ8&feature=youtu.be

Disgusting to say the least, no way are you a true Mississippi State fan. But then again you probably didn't graduate so...??..

If you feel this way, quite posting crap about it and move on, I will never ever wish for bad things at Msu, regardless.

Damn!!
11-19-2019, 12:44 PM
BB30

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm sure all you criticizing shotgun were pulling for us to beat om in 2008. Just think how differently things could've been for us had croom won that game, no mullen

Simple answer. One game should not determine if we keep him or let him go. That being said we are fans of Mississippi State and typically fans pull for their team regardless of the situation seeing as we aren't making the decision regardless.

You would be rooting against kids that have put a lot of work and time in for State. Those seniors deserve their fans supporting them regardless of what is going on with the coaching situation.

Rooting for a loss is dumb and if Cohen is going to base his decision on the outcome of one game then he probably needs to go too and I like Cohen.
11-19-2019, 12:47 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

This so eerily familiar to 2013. We had so many fans ready to fire CDM and they were openly talking about rooting for the bears.

I don't know a single true bulldog fan that could actually go into a game and root for those f@ckers.

How about - win the game, make a bowl, win a bowl and close strong in recruiting?

Fans ready to fire Mullen in 2013 were idiots. Being frustrated with him, fine. Actually thinking it was a good decision to fire him, and especially thinking losing the egg bowl would do it (we weren't firing him for going 5-7, 9-4, 7-6, 8-5, and 5-7 after the Croom years).

I'm not rooting for us to lose, but I get the sentiment. If you believe Moorhead is not the right coach, preferring that we win the egg bowl and he stay to losing the egg bowl and him leaving is not much different from the people who want him to stay as long as he wins the egg bowl (and by that I mean actually basing it on winning the egg bowl, not basing it on the fact that winning the egg bowl would mean bowl eligibility).
11-19-2019, 01:07 PM
Todd4State

Some things:

It sounds like Bo reads message boards. What he said has been basically said on here by the most reliable posters on here for weeks.

If Rutgers falls through Joe could still go somewhere like Illinois or Boston College. He may also be SOL and end up at Penn State as their OC. The best thing about that would be it would make Finebaum look stupid.

The best case scenario for us at this point is to go 6-6 and then for Joe to leave. Personally with no inside information I think that’s what happens one way or the other. Fired, leave on his own, whatever...Joe is too unpopular with the wrong people right now. I’m not sure that beating Ole Miss 65-0 would save him. And I think that the Egg Bowl being the absolute deciding factor is likely incorrect. They’re going to be looking at the big picture.

The only other similar situations where the Egg Bowl probably saved a coach:

1996- Jackie had also beaten SEC West champ Alabama.

Maybe 2013 and 2016:

Dan had built up some good will from 2010 and then in 2016 he has 2014 to point back to as well as upsetting Texas A&M.
11-19-2019, 01:07 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BB30

Simple answer. One game should not determine if we keep him or let him go. That being said we are fans of Mississippi State and typically fans pull for their team regardless of the situation seeing as we aren't making the decision regardless.

You would be rooting against kids that have put a lot of work and time in for State. Those seniors deserve their fans supporting them regardless of what is going on with the coaching situation.

Rooting for a loss is dumb and if Cohen is going to base his decision on the outcome of one game then he probably needs to go too and I like Cohen.

If we basing it on winning/losing the egg, we're just looking for a reason for optics.

What about the seniors, huh? Well what about the juniors and underclass men? I think they deserve a coach that isn't garbage
11-19-2019, 01:15 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we basing it on winning/losing the egg, we're just looking for a reason for optics.

What about the seniors, huh? Well what about the juniors and underclass men? I think they deserve a coach that isn't garbage

Which is why he should be fired regardless of the Egg Bowl. If you are worried about optics instead of what is best for our program then you as a decision maker need to be fired as well. The realistic candidates for our job are G5 coaches and they are coming no matter how Moorhead exits. It is painfully obvious that moorhead needs to be fired and anyone who is scared of expectations of having a team better prepared than what Moorhead is fielding does not deserve our head coaching job.
11-19-2019, 01:42 PM
Coursesuper

So what you’re really saying here is I’m going to be pissed off win or lose. Great.
11-19-2019, 02:12 PM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I wish Tusk would come on here & tell us the story about when he called the Hogs one year vs Bama

What will that prove? That he is a shitty fan as well? He is not some gold standard of how to be a fan.
11-19-2019, 02:15 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Then whose perception worries you? Enlighten me Gandhi.

Coaches
11-19-2019, 02:20 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Coaches

Do you think that the current administration is stupid enough to not check the temp of possible replacements before making a move? If I understand how our president works there will already be a replacement ready to go before we pull the trigger. That?s how things are done.
11-19-2019, 02:23 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Coaches

Well then we don’t have a problem because the coaching community today see the issues with the team from the coaching aspect.
11-19-2019, 02:37 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Coaches

Go back to your ashram Gandhi. That's stupid as ****.
11-19-2019, 02:55 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Do you think that the current administration is stupid enough to not check the temp of possible replacements before making a move? If I understand how our president works there will already be a replacement ready to go before we pull the trigger. That?s how things are done.

It's been done before, and Cohen, or the President, most likely won't be who pulls the trigger.
11-19-2019, 02:56 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Do you think that the current administration is stupid enough to not check the temp of possible replacements before making a move? If I understand how our president works there will already be a replacement ready to go before we pull the trigger. That?s how things are done.

Yup. And it won't be the same way we checked the temperature for the head baseball coach position. We will have a verbal understanding with a trustworthy agent with at least the details of total salary and guarantee included. Presumably also at least some discussion around other big ticket items like budget for assistants or whatever the agent/prospect thinks are important points.
11-19-2019, 02:57 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Go back to your ashram Gandhi. That's stupid as ****.

No it's not. That's how we wound up with Rick Ray. It's how ole miss wound up with Coach O 1.0. It's how a lot of really bad hires are made.
11-19-2019, 03:05 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No it's not. That's how we wound up with Rick Ray. It's how ole miss wound up with Coach O 1.0. It's how a lot of really bad hires are made.

LOL!!!

You really think coaches are that stupid?

"Oh no, Joe Moorhead underachieved for two years with a stacked cupboard and nine years of a solid coaching foundation! How can I hope to do better with such resources?!!!". SAID NO COACH EVER!!!!

If the rumors are true we've had head coaches reaching out to us since the Tennessee fiasco. They know what Joe's putting on that field is not the best this program can produce. Not by a long shot.
11-19-2019, 03:11 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well then we don’t have a problem because the coaching community today see the issues with the team from the coaching aspect.

That isn't the point. Not at all. It's if we perceived as being to trigger happy for what we are that matters. FSU can get away with it. Arkansas has a historically bad team for them. Our situation is not like either of those. We have people SAYING our situation is like Arkansas, but its not, not even close. We had people wanting to fire Joe LAST year. That was noticed for sure.
11-19-2019, 03:14 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

LOL!!!

You really think coaches are that stupid?

"Oh no, Joe Moorhead underachieved for two years with a stacked cupboard and nine years of a solid coaching foundation! How can I hope to do better with such resources?!!!". SAID NO COACH EVER!!!!

If the rumors are true we've had head coaches reaching out to us since the Tennessee fiasco. They know what Joe's putting on that field is not the best this program can produce. Not by a long shot.

It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with how they perceive OUR expectations and how patient we are. We aren't some blue blood. No matter how much we say that doesn't matter, it does. Where did you get your rumors?
11-19-2019, 03:22 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It's been done before, and Cohen, or the President, most likely won't be who pulls the trigger.

Let me let you in on a little secret, the president is the one working with the boosters. No one is sitting bracket wringing their hands here wondering what if. After the last 3 major hires by this athletic administration they have a short leash.
11-19-2019, 03:22 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with how they perceive OUR expectations and how patient we are. We aren't some blue blood. No matter how much we say that doesn't matter, it does. Where did you get your rumors?

Some of the rumors came from people on this board. And not Shotgun. If the media is all in agreement that Joe is a dud then we have ZERO to worry about with other coaches. This timid, woe is me bullshit is why we got Ray. Which, btw, there are plenty of rumors of other coaches wanting the job when we hired Ray. We royally screwed the pooch on that one.
11-19-2019, 03:38 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Let me let you in on a little secret, the president is the one working with the boosters. No one is sitting bracket wringing their hands here wondering what if. After the last 3 major hires by this athletic administration they have a short leash.

Of course he is, but who calls the shot?
11-19-2019, 03:40 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Some of the rumors came from people on this board. And not Shotgun. If the media is all in agreement that Joe is a dud then we have ZERO to worry about with other coaches. This timid, woe is me bullshit is why we got Ray. Which, btw, there are plenty of rumors of other coaches wanting the job when we hired Ray. We royally screwed the pooch on that one.

Yes, there were plenty of rumors like that when we hired Ray. I saw them on Ole Miss boards when the wound up with O 1.0. That's EXACTLY my point.
11-19-2019, 03:42 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Yes, there were plenty of rumors like that when we hired Ray. I saw them on Ole Miss boards when the wound up with O 1.0. That's EXACTLY my point.

Okay. Whatever. I'm out.
11-19-2019, 03:53 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That isn't the point. Not at all. It's if we perceived as being to trigger happy for what we are that matters. FSU can get away with it. Arkansas has a historically bad team for them. Our situation is not like either of those. We have people SAYING our situation is like Arkansas, but its not, not even close. We had people wanting to fire Joe LAST year. That was noticed for sure.

If the coaching community does not see us possible making a move this year as a negative, then there is no point because they don’t perceive us as being impatient. You specifically said the coaches having an issue with it, but they don’t. Many see and have stated we have coaching issues. We have multiple coaches already reaching out to us. Now can or will we fire him at 6-6? That’s a tougher question but as of today the coaching community, who you referenced as being the ones to be concerned with perception, do NOT have a negative opinion of us if we cut ties. To be honest, all indications are our coaching pool of candidates today will be the exact same if we finish 6-6 and fire him. Other than they possibly taking a job the prefer. The coaching community as a whole only see a negative with our coaching NOT if we make a change this year.
11-19-2019, 03:55 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with how they perceive OUR expectations and how patient we are. We aren't some blue blood. No matter how much we say that doesn't matter, it does. Where did you get your rumors?

So do you think guys that want this job will turn us down because we expect for a coaching staff to actually be prepared for 13 Saturdays a year? UK game in 2018 and the UT game in 2019, it was really obvious that the team was not in any form prepared to take that field. Guys who understand football would know better than the average joe on a message board how shitastic of a job that Joe is doing. It was so obvious after the UT game that Moorhead apologized for how shitty of a coaching job he did.

It seems that our expectations are that the team actually give a shit from the beginning of the game to the end of the game and right now that is not happening. Hell, we gave Croom 5 years because at least he had our players give effort out there.
11-19-2019, 03:56 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Of course he is, but who calls the shot?

Really? You need that spelled out for you? Not John Cohen is that enough. I’m not going any deeper, other than to say if he wins 6 he stays we can’t touch him we would look like shit on that.
11-19-2019, 03:58 PM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by wild_dawg

I want him gone, but I'll never root for us to lose to those 17's.

Same
11-19-2019, 03:58 PM
HailStateSZN19

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

If the coaching community does not see us possible making a move this year as a negative, then there is no point because they don’t perceive us as being impatient. You specifically said the coaches having an issue with it, but they don’t. Many see and have stated we have coaching issues. We have multiple coaches already reaching out to us. Now can or will we fire him at 6-6? That’s a tougher question but as of today the coaching community, who you referenced as being the ones to be concerned with perception, do NOT have a negative opinion of us if we cut ties. To be honest, all indications are our coaching pool of candidates today will be the exact same if we finish 6-6 and fire him. Other than they possibly taking a job the prefer. The coaching community as a whole only see a negative with our coaching NOT if we make a change this year.

Can anyone that knows that is willing to do so, throw out the names of just who has contacted us as being interested if the job becomes available? Gotta figure Napier is one of them, but who else other than him is reaching out to us?
11-19-2019, 04:06 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Can anyone that knows that is willing to do so, throw out the names of just who has contacted us as being interested if the job becomes available? Gotta figure Napier is one of them, but who else other than him is reaching out to us?

I've heard Hud, Napier, and Norvell FWIW. Not claiming to be any kind of inside expert. It's just the names I've been told and have seen reports of contacting us.
11-19-2019, 04:06 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Can anyone that knows that is willing to do so, throw out the names of just who has contacted us as being interested if the job becomes available? Gotta figure Napier is one of them, but who else other than him is reaching out to us?

Norvall’s agent has. I’ve heard of 3 others, one kind of surprising, but not enough info to name them and they may have just been initial intel feelers or false

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