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10-23-2019, 12:33 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Shrader is also from North Carolina who likes to hunt and fish. You would have to wonder if he would follow Moorhead to New Jersey. It would depend on if a new coach could sell him on the offense. He would also have to sit for a year at Rutgers.

The thing about Shrader is he fits pretty much any offense which is a good thing for us.
10-23-2019, 01:06 PM
dantheman4248

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Originally Posted by Coach007

It is his job to do what he was hired to do. Period. His offense. And he went out and got a QB that could run it. And before injury, he ran it well.

Do I now need to quote the same group that stated the OL sucked in 2017 and recruiting of it sucked? 2 things are for certain. Moorhead got Johnson and he got Cross. Cross would NOT be here if Mullen had stayed. That's a fact. A kid from WP isn't here because of the Mullen crew.

Interesting that every position you have complained about, Moorhead seems to be addressing.

Every friggin team adjusts to audibles sir. EVERYBODY including Ms St.

Serious Answer. We are not talking about the same years. You are talking about 2018. You put you offense in and recruit for it. Mullen did it. Moorhead is doing it. And because we put the system in, the WRs were able to produce before Stevens was injured. Now a true freshman is starting and he is not as experienced as Stevens. He's not seeing everything yet... but he will.

Had he not put in his offense, then the WRs would not have had the improvement that they have had. So if not then? WHEN. He was hired for his offense.

- Fitz had 1767 yards in 2018 through 13 games. He had almost the EXACT same in 2017 under Mullen 1782

VS

- Moorhead's QBs already have 1,343 yards and we have 6 games left.

So yes, the passing game is better and it will continue to come together.

In Mullen's last season.... we had not one single WR with 30 catches. With 6 games left, we have one that is 6 catches from that.

That's called improvement by a coaching staff.

Lastly, if we don't throw...... we are not running.

It?s his job to win us football games. Doesn?t matter if it?s 3-2 or 100-0. He?s here to win. If his offensive scheme is what does that so be it. If it?s not, then adapt or die.

I didn?t say it?s his fault the OL is sucking. I said it?s his fault for playing to their weaknesses and continuing to let them flounder.

Of course they. And when you have enough tape on us it?s clear his offense has very few audible looks at this point. Defenses know what they are going to switch to if they give us a certain look and shift to the counter when we switch. If the simple ness is because Shrader doesn?t have the capability of running the full offense yet, then make things easier on him and cut out the full play audibles entirely. Teams have us figured out.

So by your own admission, Shrader ain?t there yet to run the full capacity of this offense. And I don?t get why you care about ?improvement in WRs? rather than wins. Again he may have been hired for his offense but his offense is supposed to win games, not struggle to get 10 points. The drop off in the running gams does nothing for confidence when we have receivers making more catches in garbage time because we?re getting blown out.

?If we don?t throw, we?re not running.? We?re already not running.
10-23-2019, 01:14 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

It?s his job to win us football games. Doesn?t matter if it?s 3-2 or 100-0. He?s here to win. If his offensive scheme is what does that so be it. If it?s not, then adapt or die.

I didn?t say it?s his fault the OL is sucking. I said it?s his fault for playing to their weaknesses and continuing to let them flounder.

Of course they. And when you have enough tape on us it?s clear his offense has very few audible looks at this point. Defenses know what they are going to switch to if they give us a certain look and shift to the counter when we switch. If the simple ness is because Shrader doesn?t have the capability of running the full offense yet, then make things easier on him and cut out the full play audibles entirely. Teams have us figured out.

So by your own admission, Shrader ain?t there yet to run the full capacity of this offense. And I don?t get why you care about ?improvement in WRs? rather than wins. Again he may have been hired for his offense but his offense is supposed to win games, not struggle to get 10 points. The drop off in the running gams does nothing for confidence when we have receivers making more catches in garbage time because we?re getting blown out.

?If we don?t throw, we?re not running.? We?re already not running.

We are not spreading the defense out. There are too many bunch formations. The defense then compresses around the offense. I cringe every time I see them line up in the bunch formation. Have we thrown a bubble screen? Have we thrown a screen to a RB yet? We may have but I sure can't remember.
10-23-2019, 01:29 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Duckdog

007 you are so full of crap!!!!!!

Prove any of that wrong
10-23-2019, 01:49 PM
Coursesuper

Y'all please stop,engaging this dipshit, he is doing all he can to troll this board and is very very happy to cherry pick stuff to continue this charade. He's a complete and total troll.
10-23-2019, 02:00 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Y'all please stop,engaging this dipshit, he is doing all he can to troll this board and is very very happy to cherry pick stuff to continue this charade. He's a complete and total troll.

With all the negative threads one after another started by the same people, they are not trolls or is it that they are spitting out what you believe and 007 isn't? I think they and him should slow down a little.
10-23-2019, 02:04 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

With all the negative threads one after another started by the same people, they are not trolls or is it that they are spitting out what you believe and 007 isn't? I think they and him should slow down a little.

Just a quick question there Jack, are you retired from our Corps and if so at what rank if I may ask?
10-23-2019, 02:14 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

With all the negative threads one after another started by the same people, they are not trolls or is it that they are spitting out what you believe and 007 isn't? I think they and him should slow down a little.

I don't see many negative threads at all in the front page. But, considering we are 3-4 instead of 5-2, if there were they would be justified.
10-23-2019, 02:19 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I don't see many negative threads at all in the front page. But, considering we are 3-4 instead of 5-2, if there were they would be justified.

All I was pointing out was there is a lot of trolling going on from both sides. You get the same thing but title differently from the same people over and over. That's trolling. I am pretty neutral on the subject. I feel that we should wait until the end of the season and let it play out.
10-23-2019, 02:20 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Just a quick question there Jack, are you retired from our Corps and if so at what rank if I may ask?

I was in for four years. Got pulled back in for 11 months for Desert Storm. I had a high critical MOS. They were really short going into war. I was an E5 Sargent when I got out.
10-23-2019, 02:30 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I was in for four years. Got pulled back in for 11 months for Desert Storm. I had a high critical MOS. They were really short going into war. I was an E5 Sargent when I got out.

10-4 E-4, when I got out.
10-23-2019, 02:35 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

10-4 E-4, when I got out.

Ooh Rah!
10-23-2019, 03:25 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Y'all please stop,engaging this dipshit, he is doing all he can to troll this board and is very very happy to cherry pick stuff to continue this charade. He's a complete and total troll.

This all day. I am amazed that people are still engaging this guy. He is either a troll or a window licking idiot....either way, it's a waste of time to argue with him.
10-23-2019, 09:35 PM
Coach007

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It?s his job to win us football games. Doesn?t matter if it?s 3-2 or 100-0. He?s here to win. If his offensive scheme is what does that so be it. If it?s not, then adapt or die.

Via his system. You don't like that fact... I don't care. It is what it is. Had he come in being hired for his system and tried to install a triple option, he should be fired. He didn't. And as shown by more than me, we have moved up in the passing dept. As in from 13th to 4th. etc... Huge thread about it.

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I didn?t say it?s his fault the OL is sucking. I said it?s his fault for playing to their weaknesses and continuing to let them flounder.

Again.. No. They sucked before him... and they have improved over the year. It's Moorhead's job to teach the needed skills for his system. Period.

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Defenses know what they are going to switch to if they give us a certain look and shift to the counter when we switch. If the simple ness is because Shrader doesn?t have the capability of running the full offense yet, then make things easier on him and cut out the full play audibles entirely. Teams have us figured out.

SO you want to take the "simpleness" ( and I say you have no idea what you are looking at), out and make it more simple. Are you listening to you..... So remove everything and make it easier for the defenses. Got it. Makes sense to me.
10-23-2019, 09:40 PM
cheewgumm

Every time I read stuff from Coach 007, I think

?this is the same guy who said we were going 11-1?

The I sigh and think ?he?s probably wrong again?
10-23-2019, 09:51 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Y'all please stop,engaging this dipshit, he is doing all he can to troll this board and is very very happy to cherry pick stuff to continue this charade. He's a complete and total troll.

Prove anything I stated to be wrong. YOu can't. Please don't make me bump YOUR words:

Your thread Title: Our O line is really bad gents

Your words: Fvck you John Hevesy!!! Nothing else needs to be said.

Moving forward in time... More from you.. another great thread: All of Dan ******* bullshat is coming home to roost this season... ... and the content:

- lack of effort on the recruiting trail. That class would effect this current team btw.

HMMMM>....
10-23-2019, 09:57 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I don't see many negative threads at all in the front page. But, considering we are 3-4 instead of 5-2, if there were they would be justified.

No, it's not.

- Most were and are negative. and it's the same group.

- No, they are not justified... they are nothing more than illogical. For example, " the offense guru and passing". It's BS and you know it. YOu know damn well prior to injury the QB was throwing for 72%. Yet you act like that never happened and a true freshman should be working at that level.

It's simply BS.
10-23-2019, 09:59 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Via his system. You don't like that fact... I don't care. It is what it is. Had he come in being hired for his system and tried to install a triple option, he should be fired. He didn't. And as shown by more than me, we have moved up in the passing dept. As in from 13th to 4th. etc... Huge thread about it.

Again.. No. They sucked before him... and they have improved over the year. It's Moorhead's job to teach the needed skills for his system. Period.
ETA- the fact he can't adapt to the talent he has had could lead him to never seeing the talent he recruited.... but that's on him

SO you want to take the "simpleness" ( and I say you have no idea what you are looking at), out and make it more simple. Are you listening to you..... So remove everything and make it easier for the defenses. Got it. Makes sense to me.

I must e missed that we were 4th in passing.... our line has gone from good to manageable to shit in 3 years.
10-23-2019, 10:05 PM
trojandawg

His logical reasoning is broken. He?s an idiot an not worth arguing with. Like with a rock or a fence post.
10-23-2019, 10:05 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I must e missed that we were 4th in passing.... our line has gone from good to manageable to shit in 3 years.

He using just the Auburn and LSU games for that 4th in ranking.
10-23-2019, 10:11 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He using just the Auburn and LSU games for that 4th in ranking.

Ok..... not sure how he got that but if that's what he's done, great two games we lost and lost big.
10-23-2019, 10:20 PM
timotheus

I just hope the team scores more than 17 at college station. As 007 say, that will show improvement.
10-23-2019, 10:26 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by timotheus

I just hope the team scores more than 17 at college station. As 007 say, that will show improvement.

Well depending on what metric he's using for that particular argument. We scored 23 on them last year after an 80 yard run w 2 mins to go.
10-23-2019, 10:29 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He using just the Auburn and LSU games for that 4th in ranking.

Again... no I didn't.
10-23-2019, 10:30 PM
cheewgumm

Not to mention if we are passing so well against these SEC teams, why are they kicking the shot out of us?

And, what completions % do we need to win, if we throw for 60+% and get beat by 21?
10-23-2019, 10:31 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Again... no I didn't.

Yards pg what are we? What's our record? How's that?? What was your prediction?? What changed??
10-23-2019, 10:35 PM
dantheman4248

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Via his system. You don't like that fact... I don't care. It is what it is. Had he come in being hired for his system and tried to install a triple option, he should be fired. He didn't. And as shown by more than me, we have moved up in the passing dept. As in from 13th to 4th. etc... Huge thread about it.

Again.. No. They sucked before him... and they have improved over the year. It's Moorhead's job to teach the needed skills for his system. Period.

SO you want to take the "simpleness" ( and I say you have no idea what you are looking at), out and make it more simple. Are you listening to you..... So remove everything and make it easier for the defenses. Got it. Makes sense to me.

I don’t like the fact that it’s his system win or lose instead of running what wins. Why do you want his system instead of wins? Can you just accurately explain that idiocy? That’s where you’re disconnected from reality. I’m not touching the “improvement in passing game” stats... you can believe whatever those numbers tell you.

You didn’t read what I said at all... just woof. The run game has gotten worse as the season has gone so I don’t know where you are seeing improvement but whatever. I’m sure you’ll cite some stat and ignore the first paragraph.

I gave you too much credit here. How’s this for dumbing it down for you. Say Joe has 100 plays in his offense. When we see a certain look there’s only 5 plays we’ll switch to. Garrett only knows 2. So do you do the offense of 100 diff plays or do you do the one with 2 where good defense on film knows how to beat the two plays coming and switch to the defense that does?

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10-23-2019, 10:39 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

I don’t like the fact that it’s his system win or lose instead of running what wins. Why do you want his system instead of wins? Can you just accurately explain that idiocy? That’s where you’re disconnected from reality. I’m not touching the “improvement in passing game” stats... you can believe whatever those numbers tell you.

You didn’t read what I said at all... just woof. The run game has gotten worse as the season has gone so I don’t know where you are seeing improvement but whatever. I’m sure you’ll cite some stat and ignore the first paragraph.

I gave you too much credit here. How’s this for dumbing it down for you. Say Joe has 100 plays in his offense. When we see a certain look there’s only 5 plays we’ll switch to. Garrett only knows 2. So do you do the offense of 100 diff plays or do you do the one with 2 where good defense on film knows how to beat the two plays coming and switch to the defense that does?

...

About that running game that has struggled...

S&C deserves an assist for those struggles. In Joe's defense it's a lot harder to call plays on second and eight than second and five. Play calling and personnel is definitely an issue too- so don't get me wrong.

There are several disconnects that are killing us right now.
10-23-2019, 10:39 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yards pg what are we? What's our record? How's that?? What was your prediction?? What changed??

I was mistaken because he said we were 4th a category and that was the only way I could make it work. He is disregarding total yards and using yards per attempt which are actually pretty close 7.0 last year and 7.7 this year. And the QB rating actual number this year puts us higher in the rankings this season but that same rating 132.29 was good for only 13th last season just like we were last year
10-23-2019, 10:42 PM
cheewgumm

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I was mistaken because he said we were 4th a category and that was the only way I could make it work. He is disregarding total yards and using yards per attempt which are actually pretty close 7.0 last year and 7.7 this year. And the QB rating actual number this year puts us higher in the rankings this season but that same rating 132.29 was good for only 13th last season just like we were last year

Hahahahah....good lord
10-23-2019, 10:45 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I was mistaken because he said we were 4th a category and that was the only way I could make it work. He is disregarding total yards and using yards per attempt which are actually pretty close 7.0 last year and 7.7 this year. And the QB rating actual number this year puts us higher in the rankings this season but that same rating 132.29 was good for only 13th last season just like we were last year

Of course as you know it's misleading since that is field position dependent to a degree. Not to mention the objective is you know- to score points rather than rack up yards per attempt.

Also misleading if you look at our rushing totals which have gone down from 223.62 YPG to 179.14 YPG. That's about a 44 yard difference. To me that illustrates how bad our S&C failed this offseason when you consider the fact that we returned five guys on the o-line that all played significant snaps last year, a TE who is a senior, and a junior RB who analytically last year was one of the best at getting yards after contact last year per PFF.
10-23-2019, 10:52 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yards pg what are we? What's our record? How's that?? What was your prediction?? What changed??

Homedawg's words: Fitz

Can't throw the football. Period.
10-23-2019, 10:52 PM
trojandawg

All is good at Moorheads off season day spa and training facility. Training comes with free pool floaties and complimentary mints lounge side.
10-23-2019, 10:53 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by trojandawg

All is good at Moorhead???s off season day spa and training facility. Training comes with free pool floaties and complimentary mints lounge side.

And a trip to the water park. Which I don't mind personally if the team performs. If not- it looks pretty bad honestly.
10-23-2019, 10:58 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Of course as you know it's misleading since that is field position dependent to a degree. Not to mention the objective is you know- to score points rather than rack up yards per attempt.

Also misleading if you look at our rushing totals which have gone down from 223.62 YPG to 179.14 YPG. That's about a 44 yard difference. To me that illustrates how bad our S&C failed this offseason when you consider the fact that we returned five guys on the o-line that all played significant snaps last year, a TE who is a senior, and a junior RB who analytically last year was one of the best at getting yards after contact last year per PFF.

Yep. We are 26 yards per game less this season but hey our passing yards is up 18 yards per game!! Up from 13th in the league to...13th in the league. But at least we are scoring less points since the Croom years. Do expect that to go up some...well maybe...we better put up some big points vs ARK and UNM or the point totals will be bad
10-23-2019, 10:58 PM
Coach007

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I don’t like the fact that it’s his system win or lose instead of running what wins. Why do you want his system instead of wins? Can you just accurately explain that idiocy? That’s where you’re disconnected from reality. I’m not touching the “improvement in passing game” stats... you can believe whatever those numbers tell you.

We are in a rebuild year like it or not.

We have gaps by Mullen like it or not.

We have our Starter go down to an injury completing 72% ... like it or not.

We had a ton of injuries on the OL... Like it or not.

We have a true freshman at QB because he is better than anything else AVAILABLE to us.. Like it or not.

We have 10 players, 3 that should be starting on Defense.... and 1 that should be in the WR rotation IF NOT taking over a position had they NOT cheated.... Like it or not.

Shrader will have the book open to him as he learns it and NOTHING you bitch about on this board will change that. because MOORHEAD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND IS NOT ON THE HOT SEAT.

Yet we STILL have improvements.
10-23-2019, 10:59 PM
trojandawg

I?m just wondering what saban would do if someone suggest he take his team during training camp to a water park. I know we went bowling under Mullen but that was right after practice. This is the SEC. If you take days off you get your ass beat. That was apart of his foundation he was laying for this team to be a soft as charmin
10-23-2019, 11:04 PM
trojandawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

We are in a rebuild year like it or not.

We have gaps by Mullen like it or not.

We have our Starter go down to an injury completing 72% ... like it or not.

We had a ton of injuries on the OL... Like it or not.

We have a true freshman at QB because he is better than anything else AVAILABLE to us.. Like it or not.

We have 10 players, 3 that should be starting on Defense.... and 1 that should be in the WR rotation IF NOT taking over a position had they NOT cheated.... Like it or not.

Shrader will have the book open to him as he learns it and NOTHING you bitch about on this board will change that. because MOORHEAD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND IS NOT ON THE HOT SEAT.

Yet we STILL have improvements.

Like or not Stevens got creamed because he has a shitty clock In his head. He wouldn?t haven?t made those percentages in the sec. not even close. He hears footsteps and gets scared. He held on to the ball too long then. He had zero instincts as scrambler or knowing when to take of and instead of throwing it away he got creamed. He was a career backup for a reason. Keep skewing stats for your agenda. Just keep making yourself look more like a moron with no real facts to stand on. You keep spouting facts that aren?t actually factual.
10-23-2019, 11:05 PM
trojandawg

Need a new moniker for 007. Queen of excuses. Moorhead?s spa buddy.
10-23-2019, 11:12 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Homedawg's words: Fitz

Can't throw the football. Period.

Yep I said it. And but he could run. And our dipshit coach choose to make him Peyton Manning in all but two games. So that's in him not me. But dodge and deflect. I won't you can

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