We All Underestimated How Good Mullen Was

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Originally Posted by Coach007

That's 100% not true. My wife had a returning contract every year and still went to all interviews set up for her.

You are showing the proof of why people in these types of positions do what they do. If he never took interviews, then 2 things happen:

1- People stop calling as often.

2- Once fans turn (like you) their value decreases and that effects them personally.

None of that means that they did not and will not do their jobs. If they didn't, then their value drops. If you don't value yourself, nobody else will either. That is the nature of this business.

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Did your wife tell the people she had a contract with that she was interviewing with other jobs? That's a poor strategy even if it happened to work out for her because it could have burned her with the contract company.

It's not about valuing yourself. It's about being ethical and having class. Something Dan miserably failed at during his job seeking.

And nowhere did I ever say that he shouldn't take interviews. Just take them after the regular season is over.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

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It's just a shame to see fans still blaming Mullen.... for winning here.

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No one is blaming Dan for winning here. We're blaming him for not giving 100% when he was working here. How dare we fans expect that from a coach?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think it's clear that we took him granted and never realized how much garbage and lack of talent he covered up.

Just look at the evidence:

- Last night Florida's OL can't block us. What does he do? All quick passes. Gets the ball out of the QB's hands with quick reads.

- 2010 vs Florida, has a QB that can't throw and beats Florida at the swamp without throwing in the 2nd half.

- 2015 he has a 160 lb running back and decides to throw all year.

We can complain all day about why Mullen didn't recruit better but it's more than evident that he was willing to adapt his offense to the strengths and weaknesses of the team and it's clear that we never gave him enough credit for that and that JoMo May not have the ability do that.

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You guys are acting like the ex who thought he wasnt good enough. Mullen is still Mullen. He just outcoached a guy who is incapable of doing it guys.

I couldve outcoached Moorhead last night if all I had to do was throw perimeter game. I do agree he did what his guys can do and not what he wants to do. Moorhead is too smart for that

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Holgerson would've been just as bad because he would've changed the scheme as well.

I don't think you can make a sound argument that we should've hired another outside coach. I think the argument is if we should've just stayed in house and promoted from within, thus keeping the same schemes.

I'm under the belief that our players would've struggled with any scheme change.

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Who would you have promoted? Grantham? Knox? Hevesy?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Win in terms of what he did here? Yes he will. The problem is he actually has to win championships there and that's where he will fail. 9-3 with a loss to Georgia simply isn't acceptable there. At MSU that gets you a 6 million dollar extension.

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You are going to be disappointed. He will win at least the SEC there.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He left on his own dude that means he wasn't the answer anymore. We offered him $6 million dollars. That's almost 3x what Joe is getting. He barely beat Joe and we could only muster 200 yards of offense. Hell Mullen doesn't even beat Joe if Osirus could catch a damn wide open touchdown. Mullen is still gonna skull****ed by Georgia and LSU every single year and he'll lose more than he should to Kentucky and Missouri. He can ride 9-4 seasons there for awhile but eventually they will get hungry for more just like we did only much faster. It's the nature of the beast.

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I never said he didn't. As usual you are making up stuff to argue against.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Did your wife tell the people she had a contract with that she was interviewing with other jobs? That's a poor strategy even if it happened to work out for her because it could have burned her with the contract company.

It's not about valuing yourself. It's about being ethical and having class. Something Dan miserably failed at during his job seeking.

And nowhere did I ever say that he shouldn't take interviews. Just take them after the regular season is over.

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1- It's not an issue to interview. Never has been. You are the one making it an issue.

2- It's not a bad strategy. It's needed.

3- It's 100% about valuing yourself. All one has to do is come to a message board like this and you will see exactly why. At any point, a person under contract can be fired. a large portion of the fans base already wants Moorhead fired.

4- There is nothing unethical about interviewing

5- There is nothing classless about interviewing.

Again, you prove my point over and over. What you are saying is that a personal does not have the right to be valued. If a person in this position sucks it up for 2 years and that GREAT contract is bought out, what does that person do? Forced into a lesser job because they lost the fan base which pays the bills. You are the proof of why. A winning coach can be put now on the hot seat these days. If you don't like that, then you can call a meeting of all colleges and say from here on out, a coach can not be fired or bought out if they suck.

6- Take them after the season is over? LMAO! Most jobs are filled. BTW... OUR OWN JOMO didn't.

Romo quote today is dead nuts on.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You are going to be disappointed. He will win at least the SEC there.

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We'll see. It won't be this year for sure. And I don't see him beating Smart.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No one is blaming Dan for winning here. We're blaming him for not giving 100% when he was working here. How dare we fans expect that from a coach?

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Interviewing does not equal NOT giving their 100%.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He didn't do anything that Jackie didn't. And Jackie won more games and a SEC West Title.

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Yes he did. Jackie never got us to Number One. JWS never went to 9 straight bowls. Jackie also had several 3 win seasons, Mullen never did. The SEC was much easier back then too. Mullen coached here during what will be seen as THE Golden Age of SEC football. Jackie also didn't leave on his on either. We hadn't had a football coach since the 50s to do that. Mullen had a better win % too.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

1- It's not an issue to interview. Never has been. You are the one making it an issue.

2- It's not a bad strategy. It's needed.

3- It's 100% about valuing yourself. All one has to do is come to a message board like this and you will see exactly why. At any point, a person under contract can be fired. a large portion of the fans base already wants Moorhead fired.

4- There is nothing unethical about interviewing

5- There is nothing classless about interviewing.

Again, you prove my point over and over. What you are saying is that a personal does not have the right to be valued. If a person in this position sucks it up for 2 years and that GREAT contract is bought out, what does that person do? Forced into a lesser job because they lost the fan base which pays the bills. You are the proof of why. If you don't like that, then you can call a meeting of all colleges and say from here on out, a coach can not be fired or bought out if they suck.

6- Take them after the season is over? LMAO! Most jobs are filled. BTW... OUR OWN JOMO didn't.

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And you're still missing the point. There is nothing wrong with interviewing. I never said there was. But it is wrong and unethical to publically do so when you are a football coach and your season is still going on. There is a right and wrong way to do it.

Joe didn't publically say that he was looking for jobs when he was at Penn State. You are completely and utterly clueless on this which is why you are trying to make up reasons why it is somehow right for a coach to treat us wrong. Which ironically shows how little you value MSU.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And you're still missing the point. There is nothing wrong with interviewing. I never said there was. But it is wrong and unethical to publically do so when you are a football coach and your season is still going on. There is a right and wrong way to do it.

Joe didn't publically say that he was looking for jobs when he was at Penn State. You are completely and utterly clueless on this which is why you are trying to make up reasons why it is somehow right for a coach to treat us wrong. Which ironically shows how little you value MSU.

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Wait? He publicly announced he was interviewing with other schools?

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Interviewing does not equal NOT giving their 100%.

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Exactly right. I always thought that whole argument was just hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Hiring is part of my job duties at work. People can change jobs and there is nothing wrong with that. But as I have said there is a right and wrong way to do it. Dan literally did everything wrong. You don't actively admit to seeking jobs if you have one already which he did by not denying that he was talking to people. At most places you get fired for that. We tried to give him a raise.

And then when you leave a place on good terms you don't give your team a two minute "well, bye" speech.

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Mullen never actively admitted that. You are just making that up.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Hiring is part of my job duties at work. People can change jobs and there is nothing wrong with that. But as I have said there is a right and wrong way to do it. Dan literally did everything wrong. You don't actively admit to seeking jobs if you have one already which he did by not denying that he was talking to people. At most places you get fired for that. We tried to give him a raise.

And then when you leave a place on good terms you don't give your team a two minute "well, bye" speech.

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Do you interview people that are currently employed. Given your stance here I assume you only interview the unemployed.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We'll see. It won't be this year for sure. And I don't see him beating Smart.

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Of course he wont. Florida is a total rebuild. Our job WASN'T, but Florida is going to do better than we will.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I didn't see Mullen fighting for our team that night. I saw him bend over and take it from OM & Luke and then walk out on his team and seriously injured QB a day later.

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Dude, he was all over the refs after the Rebs's hit men committed felony assault on Fitz. I was at the game and saw it with my own eyes. That's one of those narritives that got started by TV fans. Just stop.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Lol they've played Kentucky and us with our currently most dysfunctional offense in all of P5 football.

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They are still much better than they were last year. Y'all are just blinded by irrational hate.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And you're still missing the point. There is nothing wrong with interviewing. I never said there was. But it is wrong and unethical to publically do so when you are a football coach and your season is still going on. There is a right and wrong way to do it.

Joe didn't publically say that he was looking for jobs when he was at Penn State. You are completely and utterly clueless on this which is why you are trying to make up reasons why it is somehow right for a coach to treat us wrong. Which ironically shows how little you value MSU.

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So there were cameras at the interviews were there? Mullen said so too? Got a link. This is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You are going to be disappointed. He will win at least the SEC there.

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Hahahaha you think Mullen is gonna get to Atlanta and beat Bama. No that is never happening. Saban coaching till he's 140 is more likely than that.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Hahahaha you think Mullen is gonna get to Atlanta and beat Bama. No that is never happening. Saban coaching till he's 140 is more likely than that.

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He won't beat Saban, but Saban won't be there that much longer. He will get to Atlanta at Florida if they for once allow a rebuild to happen. That was a BAD football team last year.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He won't beat Saban, but Saban won't be there that much longer. He will get to Atlanta at Florida if they for once allow a rebuild to happen. That was a BAD football team last year.

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Mullen will be lucky to go 8-4 this year. 7-5 is possible if FSU figures it out by the end of the year. He ain't beating UGA, LSU or Mizzou.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You are going to be disappointed. He will win at least the SEC there.

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If Mullen wins the SEC at UF I will never post again

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Mullen will be lucky to go 8-4 this year. 7-5 is possible if FSU figures it out by the end of the year. He ain't beating UGA, LSU or Mizzou.

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Both of which would be a dramatic improvement.

Yes, Mullen was mostly good, but he gone. It's not like we ran him off, he left because he wanted to. We did what we had to do from there and that's make a hire from a small group of candidates.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Both of which would be a dramatic improvement.

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From an interim coach not from McElwain it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

From an interim coach not from McElwain it isn't.

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It is an improvement from last year. I know that upsets you.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Wait? He publicly announced he was interviewing with other schools?

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He never denied that he was looking around when he was asked. He said "If a better opportunity comes along you have to look at it."

Also see my post below.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

So there were cameras at the interviews were there? Mullen said so too? Got a link. This is hilarious.

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"I'm not talking about any of that," Mullen said, via the Clarion Ledger. "Every year I come here, every single year, you guys ask me the same questions. I'm not going to waste my time commenting on rumors on the Internet."


https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/..._mullen_8.html

By not talking about it he basically left the door open that he could leave. This comment alone hurt us in recruiting for two years- and this was the same offseason we lost Lashley and AJ Brown FWIW.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It is an improvement from last year. I know that upsets you.

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Not at all. I never said he wouldn't do better than an interim.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

"I'm not talking about any of that," Mullen said, via the Clarion Ledger. "Every year I come here, every single year, you guys ask me the same questions. I'm not going to waste my time commenting on rumors on the Internet."


https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/..._mullen_8.html

By not talking about it he basically left the door open that he could leave. This comment alone hurt us in recruiting for two years- and this was the same offseason we lost Lashley and AJ Brown FWIW.

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Outside media even applauded his response to job rumors

https://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...-rumors-112315

Even late this past season his response was on target

http://www.starkvilledailynews.com/c...out-other-jobs

He answered those rumors as well as any other sitting HC, and those responses are what?s public. Sorry but you are stretching the public addressing of jobs being an issue

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Outside media even applauded his response to job rumors

https://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...-rumors-112315

He answered those rumors as well as any other sitting HC, and those responses are what’s public

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Are you telling me that my link from an Alabama newspaper quoting Dan from the Clarion-Ledger isn't "public"?

He did start to answer that question better after he hired Sexton- but of course that was AFTER my article and by then the damage was done to the point where no one outside of the delusional like Liverpool actually believed it.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you telling me that my link from an Alabama newspaper quoting Dan from the Clarion-Ledger isn't "public"?

He did start to answer that question better after he hired Sexton- but of course that was AFTER my article and by then the damage was done to the point where no one outside of the delusional like Liverpool actually believed it.

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The Fox article I linked was Before the article you linked. And if that was your idea of an indictment of how he should talk about job rumors, completely disagree that his comments meant he was publicly looking at other jobs. Did not get that at all.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

"I'm not talking about any of that," Mullen said, via the Clarion Ledger. "Every year I come here, every single year, you guys ask me the same questions. I'm not going to waste my time commenting on rumors on the Internet."


https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/..._mullen_8.html

By not talking about it he basically left the door open that he could leave. This comment alone hurt us in recruiting for two years- and this was the same offseason we lost Lashley and AJ Brown FWIW.

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That is not saying "HEY!! I'M LOOKING FOR A JOB ELSE WHERE!

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The Fox article I linked was Before the article you linked. And if that was your idea of an indictment of how he should talk about job rumors, completely disagree that his comments meant he was publicly looking at other jobs. Did not get that at all.

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Correct. His response was due to the question being asked on a regular basis. I was happy with his response. Why? Because it was like the media was saying "why the hell would you want to be in Starkville, Ms"

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think it's clear that we took him granted and never realized how much garbage and lack of talent he covered up.

Just look at the evidence:

- Last night Florida's OL can't block us. What does he do? All quick passes. Gets the ball out of the QB's hands with quick reads.

- 2010 vs Florida, has a QB that can't throw and beats Florida at the swamp without throwing in the 2nd half.

- 2015 he has a 160 lb running back and decides to throw all year.

We can complain all day about why Mullen didn't recruit better but it's more than evident that he was willing to adapt his offense to the strengths and weaknesses of the team and it's clear that we never gave him enough credit for that and that JoMo May not have the ability do that.

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I always thought Mullen was good. The difference between him at UF and JoMo at PennState is TWO National Championship rings. Kind of a big difference if you ask me. Now, I didn't think Mullen was a great coach. He said early on when someone asked him how long he would stay at MSU....."when it gets to the point where he realized he could not win a Championship at MSU". Apparently, he finally realized that in 2014 when he got us to #1 with Dak and still couldn't win it.

Mike Norvell would have been very intriguing to me. What he's done at Memphis and their paltry talent, makes me wonder what he could have done with our current talent.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The Fox article I linked was Before the article you linked. And if that was your idea of an indictment of how he should talk about job rumors, completely disagree that his comments meant he was publicly looking at other jobs. Did not get that at all.

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You can take it however it makes you feel better. However the reality is our very own athletic administration and President took it the same way I did. As did opposing coaches who use it against us in recruiting. Hence why he wasn't given an extension after an eight win season. And there is a reason why they interpreted it that way. A very good reason.

As I said no denial is the same as coming up and saying I'm looking around.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Correct. His response was due to the question being asked on a regular basis. I was happy with his response. Why? Because it was like the media was saying "why the hell would you want to be in Starkville, Ms"

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No it was because he thought he was going to Miami.