Howland

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Originally Posted by smootness

I'm not trying to argue that Calipari is a bad coach. I'm trying to argue that as a pure coach, or teacher of the game, he isn't elite. He is an elite recruiter/amasser of talent, and that is not me trying to knock him. Sure, a bunch of his programs have had NCAA issues, but regardless, if you want to have talent come through your program and win games, he is a phenomenal choice. But Dawg61 is specifically lauding him for his handling of players and ability to get the most out of his guys, and I don't think he's the best around at that.

And Johnny Jones is a special kind of suck. It shouldn't be difficult to make the Tournament with Ben Simmons.

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Cal really got the most out of Skal Labisierre

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Originally Posted by smootness

Howland is the only other guy besides Coach K to make 3 straight Final Fours since it expanded to 64. Guess Calipari could learn something from Howland.

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UCLA Howland. Our Howland could learn something from UCLA Howland. He left him in California.

smh.......:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

UCLA Howland. Our Howland could learn something from UCLA Howland. He left him in California.

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You're imagining the kind of coach Howland was at UCLA. He's the same guy.

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Originally Posted by smootness

You're imagining the kind of coach Howland was at UCLA. He's the same guy.

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He never got a technical foul while coaching at UCLA? Doubtful

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He never got a technical foul while coaching at UCLA? Doubtful

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http://larrybrownsports.com/college-...t-video/179454

Great point. I wish our fans would understand that a top 5 class does not mean we are on UK level. The main reason for the top class was the number of players. It was huge for a b-ball class.

He can get pretty fired up looks like it..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzuaHU2m6dE

The absolute stupidity (and Bama like) of our fans never ceases to amaze me.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

The absolute stupidity (and Bama like) of our fans never ceases to amaze me.

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It's really just one guy who may be a troll. 61, are u Hoover dawg?

Kind of what I was thinking

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

It's really just one guy who may be a troll. 61, are u Hoover dawg?

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We get fleeced by the refs every game and we have a coach with zero technicals. That's a problem

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

He can get pretty fired up looks like it..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzuaHU2m6dE

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Good where'd that guy go? I want that guy coaching us not Mr. Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Good where'd that guy go? I want that guy coaching us not Mr. Rodgers.

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First and only technical he got at UCLA. Howland has never been the type of coach you seem to think he is.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We get fleeced by the refs every game and we have a coach with zero technicals. That's a problem

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John Wooden hardly got up from the bench when he coached. He must've really sucked**

Look I'm not in the league with any of the coaches mentioned in this discussion but one thing I do feel I've learned is that you have to be genuine and coach with what fits your own personality. John Wooden felt like if he had to yell and scream to get his players to perform in games then he didn't do his job coaching them in practice. Then there are guys like Bob Knight who I'm sure we are all aware of his coaching antics.

There are many different approaches to dealing with players and they can vary as much as offensive and defensive philosophy. Howland has his own style and has proven it works just fine in the past and I have a feeling he will prove it once again in time.

How many technical fouls a coach gets has never been brought up when I've discussed how good of a job a coach was doing in coaching circles.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We get fleeced by the refs every game and we have a coach with zero technicals. That's a problem

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Got any specific examples of us getting screwed? Every college game I've seen is full of ticky tack calls. Saying we get fleeced every game just shows how fanatical and irrational you are. Which is par for the course for you.

Jay wright just got a technical. Technicals lead to national championships**

He did just go off though

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

He's a great coach when you take into account his recruiting ability which is second to none (albeit bolstered by his Nike /AAU connections). However, as a gameday / floor coach he is average. And because of that, there's no way you can put him up with the all time elites like Wooden, Coach K, Dean Smith, Pitino, etc.

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That description reminds me of the coach we had before Ray....

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Originally Posted by smootness

First and only technical he got at UCLA. Howland has never been the type of coach you seem to think he is.

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Not good. Not in the South with a bunch of AAU kids that don't want any coaching already and haven't gotten any their entire lives.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Not good. Not in the South with a bunch of AAU kids that don't want any coaching already and haven't gotten any their entire lives.

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Coaching =/= technicals. And what does being in the south matter?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I find it interesting how people correlate yelling & being pissed off with successful coaching.

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Agreed. I was never someone that wanted to disappoint a coach, but yelling at me didn't do anything but tighten me up. Talk to me like a person if I did something wrong and let's correct it and I'd do my damnedest to get it right next time, don't just yell at me, cause that shit ain't gonna work.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Not good. Not in the South with a bunch of AAU kids that don't want any coaching already and haven't gotten any their entire lives.

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Ah, so you're switching up the argument now, I see.

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Originally Posted by HoopsCoach21

John Wooden hardly got up from the bench when he coached. He must've really sucked**

Look I'm not in the league with any of the coaches mentioned in this discussion but one thing I do feel I've learned is that you have to be genuine and coach with what fits your own personality. John Wooden felt like if he had to yell and scream to get his players to perform in games then he didn't do his job coaching them in practice. Then there are guys like Bob Knight who I'm sure we are all aware of his coaching antics.

There are many different approaches to dealing with players and they can vary as much as offensive and defensive philosophy. Howland has his own style and has proven it works just fine in the past and I have a feeling he will prove it once again in time.

How many technical fouls a coach gets has never been brought up when I've discussed how good of a job a coach was doing in coaching circles.

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Great post. This guy gets it.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Ah, so you're switching up the argument now, I see.

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Not one bit. Howland needs to get on the players and refs a whole bunch more than he seems to be willing to do.

We gave up 20+ points not getting back, got severely outrebounded and gave up a bunch of points in the paint and on top of that have a coach unwilling to get on his players or the refs. Then y'all call me a troll for pointing it out. No wonder we suck. Everyone of you losers willing to put up with it deserve a shitty program and a shitty Hump. Congrats losers

Not sure how getting on the refs has too much to do with anything. I kinda figure a little patience with a proven commodity (Howland) is necessary here. He's only in his 2nd year and what he inherited wasn't a top notch program.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not sure how getting on the refs has too much to do with anything. I kinda figure a little patience with a proven commodity (Howland) is necessary here. He's only in his 2nd year and what he inherited wasn't a top notch program.

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Why do we ask/want Mullen to show some intensity and "want to"? Answer is similar here.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Why do we ask/want Mullen to show some intensity and "want to"? Answer is similar here.

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I don't necessarily think that translates into W's or L's with Dan either. Why a lot of other folks think so .. I'm not sure. In '14 I don't recall Dan raising hell too much when we went on the run to beat 3 top tens in a row. Now he may have raised hell in the offseason to get them to work, but I don't recall seeing it before, during, or after games.

Differences between Dan and Ben 1) Howland has been a HC before he got here and took 2 teams to Sweet 16 and 1 of those to 3 straight final 4's. 2) Ben's only been here 2 years. I tend to believe every coach should have at least 3 and mostly 4 years to get their program established.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Not one bit. Howland needs to get on the players and refs a whole bunch more than he seems to be willing to do.

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You were arguing that he's changed from the guy he was when he was successful. He hasn't at all.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Why do we ask/want Mullen to show some intensity and "want to"? Answer is similar here.

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It's a similarly bad argument in football.

Did you ever once see Sherrill react in any way, shape, or form? No.

The whole 'our coach needs to get ticked!' response is a typical illogical argument fans make when they aren't winning. Because it's all we can really see. But it doesn't mean a thing.

Coach Cal went 38-2 with a Natty his third year at UK and came back the next year With an NIT invite. I guess he didn't throw his jacket , get enough T's or rip those players ass enough that year.

Some kids u can Ride hard some you can't. Some coaches rip ass as a teaching moment, some just teach. Some coaches ride Officlas ass every game some not as much as others. Coach Howland has earned The respect of the officials in the Confernece and around the country with his resume. And with kids with his ability to get players to the league
They know who the **** he is and what he can do..

So Enough of this stupid ****ing bullshit of a thread .

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Originally Posted by smootness

It's a similarly bad argument in football.

Did you ever once see Sherrill react in any way, shape, or form? No.

The whole 'our coach needs to get ticked!' response is a typical illogical argument fans make when they aren't winning. Because it's all we can really see. But it doesn't mean a thing.

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They also see Saban do it. He's one of the few I've ever seen get away with it as much as he does it. Everyone gets pissed here and there ... Saban stays pissed tho. You don't see the root of his coaching tree (Belichick) get pissed too often (if ever).

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Coach Cal went 38-2 with a Natty his third year at UK and came back the next year With an NIT invite. I guess he didn't throw his jacket , get enough T's or rip those players ass enough that year.

Some kids u can Ride hard some you can't. Some coaches rip ass as a teaching moment, some just teach. Some coaches ride Officlas ass every game some not as much as others. Coach Howland has earned The respect of the officials in the Confernece and around the country with his resume. And with kids with his ability to get players to the league
They know who the **** he is and what he can do..

So Enough of this stupid ****ing bullshit of a thread .

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Bruh when you give up 20+ points cause everyone on your team is lazy getting back ya better rip somebody's ass.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Howland doesn't get on players in-game like at ucla. I don't know if that anything to do with our performance, but it's true

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He has high blood pressure