Why "no way" is an athletic dr in on this?
At the very least he's complicit in the culture that existed. And make no mistake, Archie knew damn well he couldn't select someone that might not listen to their cigar boys.
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Why "no way" is an athletic dr in on this?
At the very least he's complicit in the culture that existed. And make no mistake, Archie knew damn well he couldn't select someone that might not listen to their cigar boys.
Wonder why Robert Kimdeiche isn't practicing? My cousin is a big Reb, involved in "recruiting clubs" he said they are holding he and CJ out for "injuries" and he said he's not worried about their physical status, he's worried about the legal status
I dont see them holding anyone out. Just my opinion thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by OilBoyHail
I agree. My take from what he sent me was that in the circles he runs in, they are worried or at least viewing things differently than the staff because from the stuff he knows some guys could be seriously hit. They cover up good though, 300k for tunsil off though, not that high. That was the OL pool though
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by OilBoyHail
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IMO, Hack's last sentence will determine the validity of many of the stories and rumors flying around TSUN lately, especially regarding Tunsil and A.Golson. If both of them play against Vandy, which just 3 weeks was a 100% given that both would play early and often against the Commodores, then all signs will point to "much adieu about nothing" regarding the massive investigation into the Rebel program and the rumors of their demise will disappear quicker than a fart in a wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Here's hoping for news next week that Tunsil has an "ankle" and Golson a "hammy strain" which will prevent both of them from making the trip to Nashville!!
I'm admittedly way out of my lane when it comes to knowing how the ncaa works, so here are my questions. If Golson and Tunsil, or for that matter any player in this past recruiting class is made to sit, what does that say about how far along the investigation is? Does the ncaa need to have some evidence of wrong doing to advise a school to sit a player? How long has it been since the ncaa started looking into cj johnson? They just recently (past week) talked to chris jones, so have they already checked on the others? I just find it surprising that they would have had time to look into the players mentioned by hack.
That's what nobody really knows at this point. They could have been investigating for 2 months or 2 weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
I'm on record as saying this is a huge farce and you'll see every one of these guys playing against Vandy...the ones that are good enough to play, anyhow...and if anything comes of any of this it will be 3 years from now.
I don't care if I'm wrong or right...frankly I'm not that big on seeing people go on probation. My position is that you should just "try harder" if you are getting beaten on the recruiting trail. But anyway, from where I'm standing, this is all a bunch of hogwash started as rumors by MSU folk.
Kemdeechee supposedly has been practicing so I don't know what that talk is about. But hey, I of course am not a witness.
NCAA is definitely in Oxford and interviewing folks, though. so it's not like the whole matter is baseless. I just don't see any substantiation for these rank rumors about specific players.
Soooooo, Sandman say its a farce- but the NCAA is definitely interviewing players
Gotcha
the boosters have always run Ole Miss' program. During the Brewer era and even before him you didn't play if you weren't a booster's child.
Typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And since when has Ole Miss not been about perception ever? I expect them to play all of those guys and vacate the games later if they win. Even their most delusional people don't expect a SEC title or anything like that. They don't have anything to lose really. They are not going to admit guilt that easily. And on top of that, I fully expect them to fight all of this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by biggun
When they play those guys they can say to their masses "See elitedawgs, Coach and Flab were all wrong! Nothing to see here! It's MSU that's going to be on probation! Mordecai 12:34 and Fins up!"
Plus, they paid way too much on these players to not get anything out of them.
This is spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Or were a 4-5 star recruit. You are right- they have more legacies on their team than any other program I have ever see except for maybe Alabama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marooned
There are two things that are certain to make Ole Miss fans mad.
1. MSU getting a 4-5 star recruit. Especially one from a high profile high school in Mississippi like Madison Central, Olive Branch, or South Panola.
2. MSU getting an Ole Miss legacy to play football for them. If we had gotten Peyton or Eli to come to MSU, we would probably have to provide them with some sort of bodyguards. When Peyton went to Tennessee, they completely lost it. And that was pre-Internet recruiting.
if they sit them that is usually a good indication that the school feels there could be problems with there eligibility. If they played them and then they are ruled ineligible then they forfit all those games they played in, a chance most schools don't risk taking. If OM has CJ, Tunsil, Nkimdashian and others sitting for the Vandy game it is a very good indication they are screwed. They can't hide behind "injuries" because injured players are generally allowed to travel but if there are eligibility issues they cannot travel with team.
I'm with Todd on this. I can't imagine olemiss sitting any of their players after watching auburn play cam. I actually think auburn's run of buying players during their stretch emboldened olemiss to a certain extent. Olemiss would much rather win a game and have to vacate it later for perception purposes. And I'm sure, in the back of their minds, they believe their lawyers are going to fight off any penalties from the ncaa.
Why not? They've been known to spend upwards of $100k on single recruits. And if the spent the alleged $300K on Tunsil, the $1.5 mil is on the low end of last year if you can connect the dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by paco
I agree they probably won't sit any players. OM should be careful though if they're using auburn and cam as their example of how to handle these situations. Auburn was a national champion contender with the premier player in college football. The NCAA and sec were looking for any reason to let it go. OM is nowhere near that position. If the NCAA levels OM with penalties, who outside of MS will even care? Will it hurt the sec or tv ratings? In fact, I can see OM getting harsh penalties just so the NCAA looks tough again. I can even see the sec offering up OM as a sacrifice to protect the real players in this conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
this is what I'm thinking and hoping will happen. makes sense 7Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Do you think there's a way we can get the NCAA to reach out to Elijah Daniels and question him? Since he was involved in the Kim Deechy and jones three way, you would think he knows the inside scoop??
Who's to say he hasn't already been talked to?
I find it hard to believe anything will come from this. A school with alums willing to bribe judges and buy players from big time programs won't hesitate to payoff the NCAA investigators to make this all go away. Just sayin.
considering the NCAA investigator in this area's father works at a silk stocking firm in Jackson, those backdoor connections already exist. And I know for a fact that "integrity" is not a characteristic that's a part of their investigative tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonState
This had been my primary concern. "IT" going away.
If this were a Us vs Them kind of thing, I'd be convinced of it. But some more influential programs seem to be the catalyst to this inquiry. Therefore, I assume that the weight of the big boys may be too much for any network of influence to overcome.
Then again, I'm wrong in making any assumption with any NCAA matter. They could have overwhelming proof, and do nothing. They could also have marginal proof, and nuke them to 1992. Anywhere in-between should not surprise me, I guess.
exactly 32, there's no predictability as to what the sanctions will be even if we knew every single detail of the issues they're looking into.
The NCAA is about as consistent as Khao.
kemdeeche is practicing. the sky is not falling. imminent doom is not certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
take it for what it is.
I really take offense to the sorry remarks about "us getting NCAA to talk to Daniels." geez. gross.
hate to tell you fellas but these guys are going to be on the field making plays this fall. what happens a year or three from now, we shall see.
I'm glad they have these distractions to deal with. If they have done thing that are wrong and are traceable, I suppose I want them to get busted. frankly, I'd rather see our own recruiting step it up and start closing rather than seeing the sour grapes approach.
state's been on probation before. Ole miss has. many others have. it's time to play football. and I want to whip them come thanksgiving with all their bullets loaded. that will depend on whether Mullen can meet the challenge. We have the horses to be very good.
Would you shut the **** up. Seriously, you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. Just blah, blah, blah, bump a year old thread, blah, blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
Do you not realize that if Ole Miss is buying our recruits, it DOES hurt our recruiting. You want to sit there and say, "we need to step up our recruiting" and then say "I don't like the sour grapes stuff"... Without realizing that sometimes they go hand in hand. My God, I have never seen a guy post more shit about something he is clueless about in my life. You don't know shit about the baseball stuff and you know absolutely nothing about football and recruiting it appears.
You aren't fooling anybody.
you are a child, right? at least you are certainly under 23.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
and I'll remind you, cadaver, that you get zero points for the baseless ranting. this is a thread about what is and isn't going on with the NCAA and the ole miss program. just breathe deep and look at those holder pictures some more. I'm allowed to state an opinion, right?
hate to break it to you, but the cheating won't stop. about the only school in the SEC that can literally afford to walk the straight and narrow is Bammer. and only them because they have the greatest college football coach who ever walked the earth.
What we want is fair recruiting. So Sandman wants all schools to just pay for the recruits we want and get into a bidding war with other programs. That's sucking it up and upping our game. Sorry, not for that. NCAA needs to do their job and they will. Sure these players are going to play this year and then we shall see. NCAA just needs to do their job and I think in this case they will. Just move the cheating back to lower level we can all live with, not major payouts as OM is accused of doing. Bring it on NCAA, nail them
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Originally Posted by Political Hack
This is called "foreshadowing."
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