Jaime, who has issued 181 walks over the 259 2/3 innings he has compiled during his professional career.
http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article...outing-vs-mets
Jamie is a walk machine. Time to cut him
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Jaime, who has issued 181 walks over the 259 2/3 innings he has compiled during his professional career.
http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article...outing-vs-mets
Jamie is a walk machine. Time to cut him
But if he learns some control he'll be Kimbrel-like. If this is a rebuild year, then you dont cut a guy like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe. I'd rather go with kohn. Kohn has been an mlb guy before and could land a prospect if he turns it around.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Jaime was never impressive in the minors, was awful in the majors last year, and stunk in spring training. I don't think it's 'giving up' on him, I just don't think he's ever shown he's any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
He walks way too many guys to ever be effective.
He's 27. He's not going to suddenly figure it out. He's terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Smoot I tend to agree with you on him, it's getting awful close to closing the book on him. However, some of his minor numbers are very impressive. His SO/9 rate is elite level. Even with the limited big league sample you are looking at a guy who averages a similar SO/9 numbers as Kimbrel at AAA level and just below at the major league level. Although it's a small sample at the major league level. He has so much swing and miss in him I understand why they keep him. If he could just get the BB9 down to 3-4 he would be valuable. So in that sense I would also pause in out right cutting him right now. But agreed at 27 it's getting close. Although Randy Johnson had some of the same type of BB9 numbers with less SO9 than Jaime and he didn't get it corrected until he was 29 and had already been in the majors 4 full seasons. In fact the year before Johnson's 29 age year (finished second in Cy Young) he had a 10.3 SO9 and 6.2 BB9 rate. That is similar to Jaime numbers in the majors except Jaime has 12.8 SO9. Jaime had a 7.9 BB9 rate at AAA last year but his major numbers are a little better at 6.8.
Injuries normally take care of that kind of problem. Someone will get hurt, and Kohn can take his place.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Jamie DFAed. Marimon called up
Pen was solid tonight. Hopefully the offense can keep being a good contact team with timely hitting.
Jim Johnson is filthy, and Roger McDowell is a genius. I really hope he keeps this up so that we can flip him for something legitimate at the deadline.
So far this year, he's been better than he ever was, even when he was killing it in Baltimore. He was always a 'pitch to contact' sinkerballer, but he's throwing that thing 96 with serious movement and is striking out over 12 per 9 right now. Unbelievable.
Yeah he has been outstanding so far. McDowell is good coach and has a very good track record with helping sinkerball pitchers. But if Johnson continues even around 9-10 SO9 it be maybe his best work considering he is a career 6.2 SO9 pitcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I'm very excited to see Cahill tonight. He's still relatively young and posted sub-4 era's in '12 and '13. I think Cahill could be a nice pitcher for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
American to national league have anything to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I don't think that affects relievers the same as starters. Relievers aren't facing pitchers anyway and only go an inning or 2 at most.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What Shoeless said. Now if you want to look at the strength of a division, ballbark, home and away splits, those kind of things but which league with a reliever, not so much.
Here's the solution...
He's faced the Marlins what 4 times? They k a lot
Think it's 3 times on 2nd thought
Beyond the Box Score?@BtBScore?50 mins50 minutes ago
A?s (7.9%) and #Braves (8.2%) hitters have the lowest team swing-and-miss percentages in #MLB so far.
Pretty sure this includes pitchers too
Yeah but striking out the side against the Mets the other night helped his SO9 a lot. He got a 27 SO9 that game.
Well obviously I expect JJ's k rate to go down, but I expect him to still be very effective. Throwing that sinker is a good recipe when you have Simmons and Peterson up the middle. I love our middle of the infield defenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I agree I was just mentioning that because you mentioned it's because he has pitched against the Marlins so much who have more strikeouts as team. And I have not looked, but you would probably need to see who he faced to get a better understanding of what is going on right now. But he is throwing as well if not better than he ever has and as a sinkerballer he has the middle of the field that is perfect for him to get outs without the K's. Grilli has looked good so far as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What will it take to convince you guys we can actually contend this year?
The front office not trading a significant piece at the deadline with only prospects in the return. Until the front office believes we are contending this year then we are not. Everything this first half of the season is either putting us in contention or is a showcase to trade certain players. Personally, it will take the middle of June and seeing where we are to determine if we have a chance of being solid throughout the year. That's where you need to project the best you can if the team will stay similar in output or if I can expect a second half decline that makes us borderline. I do believe in this day you are either in the race or out and stockpiling talent for a run. Finishing 84-78 really does us not good unless we are able to do that while trading to add young talent. Then you may be at the beginning of a really good build for an extended run.
I agree with all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
In the short term, I wanna see these things happen:
1. Cahill pitch well
2. Minor get healthy
3. Nats continue to struggle scoring
4. K rate stay low
5. Beat the jays this weekend
It's not sounding good for Minor. Another set back.
Yeah, I was hoping he'd bounce back so we can get better or at least trade him. Not looking goodQuote:
Originally Posted by RocketCityDawg
I think surgery is in his not too distant future. Hopefully, it's just exploratory, and they find something "minor"
My hope is he can at least throw 5-7 starts before trade deadline and we can unload him for a box of balls and a case of faygo's. I'll even eat half his salary and send a case of Tylenol for the headache of trying to find out if he is worth what he thinks he is. Hate for any player to have injuries but I think he is the last piece that needs to be gone from the organization. If he actually had some quality starts we may get a batboy back in the return.
I just don't think it will happen. But I will gladly take my crow cooked medium well.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we can sustain our K rate however I think we will be a pesky competitive team all season. A .500 record and a trade at the deadline to bring in some guys who may be a year or two away would be a successful year to me.
And the first series loss is here. For us to win this year, we have to have outstanding starting pitching. We're getting it from wood, Teheran, and miller, but stults and Cahill haven't got it done yet. Hopefully they'll pick it up.
I hated the lineup up today. We have a day off tomorrow and fredi has already stated markakis will dh at least once this weekend. Why sit him today? I don't wanna see a lineup without markakis, callapso, and CJ right now.
Hopefully we can bounce back this weekend
stults looks like poop. looks like we made a huge mistake there. Cahill sure wasn't helped by the D in his start, i think he can rebound.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I wish folty or wisler would take off in AAA. If one proves ready, we could perhaps move stults to pen. Stults does fairly well first time thru lineupQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Stults and Cahill are garbage. We'd be better off rolling with 2 of Wisler, Folty, and Banuelos than those two. Let them take their lumps now. The only way you learn to pitch in The Show is to actually pitch in The Show. Get 'em up yesterday.
I take nothing out of the Cahill start. Sinker ballers are a different animal all together. Fire start for new team when he had t pitched in two weeks isn't a recipe for success. I give him 3 starts and if it ain't workin then you make a change if possible. As we know the MLB season is by no means a sprint.
yeah, call them up now and blow a year of team control. wisler needs to learn to fool lefties with his breaking stuff. if he can't figure that out, keep in AAA till he does. Folty will probably get a callup in June. some warm body from AAA will probably replace Stults soon. maybe Wang.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I think that will be or was the plan at some point this season but I do think you still want to monitor their innings at this age, the mental grind a beating will take on them, and their service time. I think they were hoping that one of them was ready this spring but they really were not.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Yeah, because it's not like we gave Folty and Banuelos every chance to win a spot in Spring Training. So team control is really a big concern with them right now.***Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Honestly, it would take us being within one game at the start of September probably. Even if we're leading the division at the ASB, I'll assume a collapse is coming. I just don't think the team is good enough. I still see about a 75-win team.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, the back of the rotation is too weak and really need rh power bat to put between freeman and markakis.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I wanna keep pitching Cahill bc I think he can be fixed. Hopefully he can become a solid 5 for us this year and next.
Really interested in what we'll do with terdo when he comes off dl. I want him on the 25-man roster. Not sure who we'd cut or send down though.
Banuelos - 5 IP, 1R, 7K
Last outing
Folty -- 8.2 ip 2.08 era 12 k 6 bb 8 h
Wisler -- 5.0 ip 0.00 era 5 k 2 bb 4 h
Banuelos -- 8.2 ip 2.08 era 10 k 6 bb 7 h
Nice starts. I'd like to see folty and Banuelos get the walk rate down