I just still dont understand the bitter Stands supporters

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Originally Posted by KB21

The bottom line is this. Rick had let the program get so bad that Scott was getting turned down by multiple mid major head coaches, and he knew nothing would change if he had done what some alumni/former players wanted and hired Kenny Payne. Rick Ray essentially took a job he was likely never going to be able to win with. The coach that succeeded Rick Stansbury was doomed to fail due to the mess he was inheriting, unless the administration is patient and gives them 5-6 years like Baylor did with Scott Drew.

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This is what I thought everyone would understand post Stansbury. I can't understand why people don't get this.

It took them out of 2nd place.

Read what I said. I just said I was more excited about their loss than our win. How the 17 do you construe that I would not be excited about their loss Thursday. You ditto heads amaze me.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Sorry, but that OM loss didn't hurt them that much. They're still in the tourney.

Seems this Thursday you're in a real pickle. Do you detest ray or Om more? OM loses to us and they're on the outside looking in. We win and ray has another quality win this year to get to .500 and 6-7 in the sec

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I just still dont understand the bitter Stands supporter

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MSU Basketball... I just never understood all the "bitter Stans haters" which you were the head cheerleader for.

Let it go ... Stans is gone. Meanwhile, you continue to bring up ALL of Stans faults almost three years after he has GONE.

Enough all ready.

Amen, but his obsession is never ending. Let it go and enjoy what you wished for. Most of us have moved on.

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

MSU Basketball... I just never understood all the "bitter Stans haters" which you were the head cheerleader for.

Let it go ... Stans is gone. Meanwhile, you continue to bring up ALL of Stans faults almost three years after he has GONE.

Enough all ready.

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

MSU Basketball... I just never understood all the "bitter Stans haters" which you were the head cheerleader for.

Let it go ... Stans is gone. Meanwhile, you continue to bring up ALL of Stans faults almost three years after he has GONE.

Enough all ready.

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That is because he said the job was a top 10 and we could get anyone we wanted.

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Originally Posted by coastdoglover

enjoy what you wished for. Most of us have moved on.

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This is a perfect example of talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you had actually moved on, you wouldn't still be taking jabs under the pretense that what the program is right now, today, is "what anyone actually wished for". It isn't. Everyone understands that you were satisfied being a top 100 program into perpetuity like we were over the past 7 years -- that doesn't make anyone that aspired for more "wrong."

While coach apparently hasn't let it go -- it's pretty clear that almost no one on the other side of the fence has let it go yet either...

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

That is because he said the job was a top 10 and we could get anyone we wanted.

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Link?

If you will notice , all threads that are created on this subject just like today are the haters of Stansbury, mainly Coach, and if not about Stansbury, he will maneuver it toward him, and then the posters come in defense of Stansbury.

He may just do that to keep the activity on the board going, and if that was the only reason, my hats off to him, but its not I'm afraid. He has a serious problem, and its call Stanisphobia. I still think its about his love of Richard Williams and him thinking that Stansbury caused him to lose his job. Even in todays environment, being married and sleeping with one of the heaviest hitting boosters that is best friend of the AD teenage daughter ,ain't going to let you keep your job, especially if that said boosters wife has her hatchet out.l
But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What truth- you said you didnt read what I wrote. Ok. Go read it and respond to it. Dont post a bunch of crap

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

MSU Basketball... I just never understood all the "bitter Stans haters" which you were the head cheerleader for.

Let it go ... Stans is gone. Meanwhile, you continue to bring up ALL of Stans faults almost three years after he has GONE.

Enough all ready.

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It's called trolling the MSU basketball fans. This is what my ole miss friends do.

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Originally Posted by engie

This is a perfect example of talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you had actually moved on, you wouldn't still be taking jabs under the pretense that what the program is right now, today, is "what anyone actually wished for". It isn't. Everyone understands that you were satisfied being a top 100 program into perpetuity like we were over the past 7 years -- that doesn't make anyone that aspired for more "wrong."

While coach apparently hasn't let it go -- it's pretty clear that almost no one on the other side of the fence has let it go yet either...

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He wanted Stans gone and he got his wish. Now the fall out from that wish may not have turned out like he imagined it would, but there is NO denying he got what he campaigned for for years.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

This is what I thought everyone would understand post Stansbury. I can't understand why people don't get this.

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Baylor had impending huge ncaa problems looming, a MURDER lingering over the program, and was banned from playing non-conference games in drew's 3rd year. The baylor situation was exponentially worse than our situation. We had some bad apples and lacked some discipline. That's a pretty common problem among jobs where the coach is fired/forced out/strongly encouraged to retire or resign.

I also hate that if you want to give ray more time, then you are a Stans hater, but if you want ray fired, then you are a Stans supporter. That's bullshit. I'm grateful for everything Stans did, but the last half decade of his tenure was just season after season of underachieving, and the Sidney shit was the nail in the coffin. Ray was a terrible hire with a lackluster resume from the get go and he hasn't shown anything to indicate he's going to be a successful HC. He's losing to swac teams with a core of 3rd year players and struggling to have a .500 overall record.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Baylor had impending huge ncaa problems looming, a MURDER lingering over the program, and was banned from playing non-conference games in drew's 3rd year. The baylor situation was exponentially worse than our situation. We had some bad apples and lacked some discipline. That's a pretty common problem among jobs where the coach is fired/forced out/strongly encouraged to retire or resign.

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But our roster was depleted on that same level as theirs was and we were thought to be going on probation in coaching circles over the Sydney ordeal which can have the same affect as probation in hiring and recruiting, and did. So "exponentially " worse is hyperbole in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

That is because he said the job was a top 10 and we could get anyone we wanted.

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Who said the MSU job was a Top 10 job???????????????????

Also, I never said we could hire "anyone we wanted"...I said we could hire a good coach to replace him- but that was also before Stands let the program become "the most dysfunctional programin America" according to The Sporting News and us becoming a joke to the ESPN guys.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

I also hate that if you want to give ray more time, then you are a Stans hater, but if you want ray fired, then you are a Stans supporter. That's bullshit. .

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Nobody is throwing you and some of the others that feel that way into the University of Stands group. The University of Stands people stand out like a sore thumb and always make themselves known. Hell, if Ray doesnt win anymore SEC games this year- I want him gone. But that doesnt put me in the University of Stands group.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Its sad to say, but I was a lot more excited about Ole Miss losing last night, than I was about us winning yesterday. Ole Miss losing cost them, our winning did nothing for us. This is from a person whose week was affected by our wins and losses in the past.

Its not just about wins and losses, its about perception, And my perception is when we hit absolute rock bottom, maybe Stricklin will do something.

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That's messed up. You need to take some time and find a way to see things more objectively.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

But our roster was depleted on that same level as theirs was and we were thought to be going on probation in coaching circles over the Sydney ordeal which can have the same affect as probation in hiring and recruiting, and did. So "exponentially " worse is hyperbole in my opinion.

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The Sidney shit was over by the time we were hiring a coach. The ncaa had done that investigation and suspended him early in his career and moved along. There was no pending investigation when Stans stepped down. Our roster might have been depleted, but we didn't have any of the other problems baylor had, which included a MURDER and an ongoing investigation that lingered for 2 years into drew's tenure and resulted in them being banned from playing non-conference games in year 3 (and a lot of talk of a death penalty before the big 12 lobbied to just ban them from non-conference games so that it wouldn't adversely affect the conference scheduling on short notice). That is all exponentially worse than simply rebuilding a roster and purging some bad eggs. Drew had to rebuild the roster while simultaneously dealing with all the other shit. Oh yeah, and baylor had no where near the success we had in the 20 years prior to Drew, so he couldn't even sell returning the program to relevancy, he had to sell recruits on simply making the program relevant along with all the other shit. Once the non-conference ban was done, it only took drew 2 years to build a ncaa team.

Some of y'all are really buying into the sales job on how bad our situation was. Our situation wasn't all that much different from a majority of P5 rebuild jobs when a coach is fired or forced out.

It was not over in the minds of the pool of coaches we were trying to hire. And it's not about Baylor anyway, with the shape Ray inherited the program, we shouldn't be further along than we are currently outside of landing a five star dominant player.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

It was not over in the minds of the pool of coaches we were trying to hire. And it's not about Baylor anyway, with the shape Ray inherited the program, we shouldn't be further along than we are currently outside of landing a five star dominant player.

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Coaches knew the Sidney stuff was over. And with a core of juniors in the starting lineup, we absolutely should be better than we are. What are we gonna be next year when they are seniors? Competing for a top 100 rpi? Then start the building over again?

And it is about comparing us to baylor because someone point out that baylor took 5 or 6 years. Well yeah because they had a lot more to overcome INCLUDING the closest thing we've seen to a death penalty in major college sports since smu in year 3 of drew's tenure.

We have a good shooting big man coming off injury, couple of 4 stars signed and a base of seniors to help give them time to develop next year.
Of course we are improving and have very good talent on the way.

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

It was not over in the minds of the pool of coaches we were trying to hire. And it's not about Baylor anyway, with the shape Ray inherited the program, we shouldn't be further along than we are currently outside of landing a five star dominant player.

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We had been investigated out the wazoo and totally cleared. They found nothing. We had no NCAA troubles of any kind. That was public knowledge, except among the people who wanted Stans gone. They refused to notice that.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

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Bilas must have said 20 times on national TV that you can't put in a team that lost to Rider. Even though Rider was the first game of our season and we took 1 seed UK to overtime Twice including the SECT finals. At the same time he championed Utah St who had no quality wins. That MSU team deserved to be in the NCAAT.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

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I have a sense of proportion. Given our "improvement" from years 1-3, i just don't see us suddenly making a huge leap, and then the core group of players will be gone. Not sure why I'll expect a bunch of backups to improve more than seniors that played 35+ min a game since their freshman season. Face it, we should at least be an NIT team THIS SEASON if we want to actually make noise next year.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Can we put a moratorium on discussing Stans? No one is going to ever change their mind on him. Regardless of whether you think he should or shouldn't have been let go, it's over. He's gone. It's way past time to be debating on the present and not on the past.

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Is this aimed at Coach34? He's the on who started this crap. On purpose I might add.

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Originally Posted by engie

So was what coach said "a direct quote" -- or "something like"? And if it was "something like", why are you adding quotations to your own statement?

Coach said alot of outlandish stuff about Stans at times -- and I don't think even he would deny that -- but you still need to produce the source quote for the approach you took to arguing it.

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Everybody gets one guess at which one is Coach34 and which one is engie.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The bottom line is this. Rick had let the program get so bad that Scott was getting turned down by multiple mid major head coaches, and he knew nothing would change if he had done what some alumni/former players wanted and hired Kenny Payne. Rick Ray essentially took a job he was likely never going to be able to win with. The coach that succeeded Rick Stansbury was doomed to fail due to the mess he was inheriting, unless the administration is patient and gives them 5-6 years like Baylor did with Scott Drew.

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You forgot the part about Coach34 continuously over-inflating Rick Ray's ability, and continuously demeaning Rick Stansbury in every way possible (and some ways never though possible). Kind of like when he said Ray's defense was so good that other SEC coaches were copying it. (that's a direct quote, engie)

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Originally Posted by engie

This is a perfect example of talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you had actually moved on, you wouldn't still be taking jabs under the pretense that what the program is right now, today, is "what anyone actually wished for". It isn't. Everyone understands that you were satisfied being a top 100 program into perpetuity like we were over the past 7 years -- that doesn't make anyone that aspired for more "wrong."

While coach apparently hasn't let it go -- it's pretty clear that almost no one on the other side of the fence has let it go yet either...

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I will let it go when we have a program of the same caliber we once had. That was the goal wasn't it? To improve the program? It shouldn't be that hard according to yours and Coach's description of Stansbury's capabilities. I'd hate to find out that this was about personalities.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Bilas must have said 20 times on national TV that you can't put in a team that lost to Rider. Even though Rider was the first game of our season and we took 1 seed UK to overtime Twice including the SECT finals. At the same time he championed Utah St who had no quality wins. That MSU team deserved to be in the NCAAT.

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No doubt It did deserve to be in and we beat that Kentucky team at home that year and in the SEC tournament if not for outrageously poor officiating in both games, especially the one in Starkville.
It was not fair to Stansbury or MSU but I think indicative of the inside basketball world's attitude toward our program. (Bilas' campaign and the officiating)
Calipari practically begged the committee to let us in in his interviews bc he knew we had been jobbed in both games.

There is just no way for anyone to know yet if Ray can get it done yet though, based on what he had to start with. Everyone is jumping the gun with their absolutes.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Everybody gets one guess at which one is Coach34 and which one is engie.

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Actually, I think that's C34 and fishwater. Engie has original thoughts and brings facts. Got no problem with Engie except that (cough cough) fire Mullen campaign.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

No shit on Malik, but thanks for showing your "inside" knowledge. Listen BUB, just because you show your ass on a message board it doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't accurate. Stans was a recruiter and nothing more. Most people know that- sorry you don't.

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Went from full retard to full dumbass. Nice job.

The 'nice job' award goes to C34. He got what he wanted out of this thread.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Sorry, but that OM loss didn't hurt them that much. They're still in the tourney.

Seems this Thursday you're in a real pickle. Do you detest ray or Om more? OM loses to us and they're on the outside looking in. We win and ray has another quality win this year to get to .500 and 6-7 in the sec

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We are an RPI killer. Whether OM wins or loses to us, their RPI will suffer. We are a SWAC school now.

I don't have any problem with Stans being gone but At the time all this wS happening most people were saying we had to get rid of Stans because we didn't win enough, not because he lost control of the program. The mantra at the time was we've only been t x number of sweet 16s.

That wa a good enough reason. Stans brought great talent and we couldn't make the tourney in the end. That team with Sidney and Hood would be the 2ndmost talented in the SEC right niw and one of the most talented in the country. They didn't make the tourney.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hood was gone

The same Gray that has lost his starting job at LSU and averages 1.5 more turnover per game than Ready? You think having him would have been a good thing?

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Just stop. You always have to lie to try and make a point. If you have to lie, then maybe your cause isn't just.


Hood made it very.... Very clear that he transferred due to stans not being his coach anymore. That's his words. Not a moma's brother's aunt who overheard her uncles nephew twice removed say it, so it must be true.

We also lost a lot of recruits that would have come in with that group.


Finally, we still have all the issues you mentioned. Arrests have happened, drugs used, players transferring out. Now we can add massive injuries. Want to mention the letter..... Lol... Why not mention the guy who wanted to return, but Ray would not allow? Oh wait, we know the answer on why you don't tell the truth. It does not fit your need.


http://www.dukechronicle.com/article...s#.VOIksEdOKrU

Hood said. “It wasn’t like I just decided to leave. My coach left. I went to that school to play for that coach. When he left, I felt like a big part of me left, as far as the reason I went to the school. "

There was no lie- not have I EVER LIED. I posted the article with it.

What other recruits did we lose? Gray was the only one

You did.... I quoted it. Then quoted hood's exact words. Not a source.. His. The link is there for all to see.

It's a simple fact that most people see. You got what you wanted. Now let it go. No need in continuing the assassination of his character to make yourself feel better or try to make a point.

Either way... There's just no need in not being truthful.

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Originally Posted by Coach

We also lost a lot of recruits that would have come in with that group.

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Um... no we didn't. That class was Gray, Sword, Thomas, and Ware. We lost one of the four players we would have taken if Stansbury had stayed. You are talking straight out your ass on that one, isn't that what you're accusing 34 of doing?

As for Hood, you're ignoring the strong evidence that he and family expressed interest in getting out of his LOI prior the the start of the 2011-2012 season, and were looking at transfer options in February of 2012. The truth is that no one knows what Hood was really thinking or what he would have done under different circumstances. One quote in a newspaper article by a 19-year-old after all the decisions had been made doesn't prove anything. You're only going on whatever information in convenient for your opinion. Again, isn't that exactly what you're accusing someone else of doing in the same post?

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Originally Posted by Coach

You did.... I quoted it. Then quoted hood's exact words. Not a source.. His. The link is there for all to see.

It's a simple fact that most people see. You got what you wanted. Now let it go. No need in continuing the assassination of his character to make yourself feel better or try to make a point.

Either way... There's just no need in not being truthful.

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I also had quotes from him and his Father. I'm not seeing the problem here except that my quotes were when the situation was going on and your quotes are two years after the fact.

Also- where had anyone attacked Stands character????

I haven't seen anyone suggest that if Stansbury was still here that we would have brought in some highly talented transfers. Andy Kennedy has 3 that are really helping his team this year.

Just adding that , not to get into the argument of whether he should still be here or gone.

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Originally Posted by thf24

Um... no we didn't. That class was Gray, Sword, Thomas, and Ware. We lost one of the four players we would have taken if Stansbury had stayed. You are talking straight out your ass on that one, isn't that what you're accusing 34 of doing?

As for Hood, you're ignoring the strong evidence that he and family expressed interest in getting out of his LOI prior the the start of the 2011-2012 season, and were looking at transfer options in February of 2012. The truth is that no one knows what Hood was really thinking or what he would have done under different circumstances. One quote in a newspaper article by a 19-year-old after all the decisions had been made doesn't prove anything. You're only going on whatever information in convenient for your opinion. Again, isn't that exactly what you're accusing someone else of doing in the same post?

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