Jesus, Goat. What are you talking about? No one is saying churches should be forced to marry gays. This has always been about state-recognized marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
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Jesus, Goat. What are you talking about? No one is saying churches should be forced to marry gays. This has always been about state-recognized marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
A wedding is a religious institution. Marriage is via the govt.
I wish they'd ban all marriage and be done with it. The simpletons will hide behind the bible until it is completely normal in 25 years and then there will be some new issue.
I disagree shoeless joe. I know several gay people that I trust, and they say it was not a choice. Maybe it is in some instances. Either way, they still don't have to act on it, just like a straight man shouldn't have premarital sex. But we are all tempted and we still do it. Again, we all sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
I disagree. Not all people take literal interpretations of the Bible, and that's where the divide is. Not all Christians think the Homosexuality is a sin, the same way not all Christians think the world is ca. 6,000 years old. I'd also add that many things that were written as "sin" can most often be attributed to the cultural norms of the day. But guess what: culture changes, as do norms, customs, ideas of morality, etc. It's inevitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
So then what gives you the right to close Pandora's box? A couple of months ago a UK woman went to some another western European country and had a wedding with her dog. Last week some guy petitioned to marry his laptop computer. If you are going to open Pandora's box, how will you determine how you will open and close it?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Then why are you attacking Christians? They have no power over the State. Separation and stuff, you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice
Common denominator in all these type of discussions is religion makes people intolerant and say stupid shit. Christians dont have a stranglehold on that. It is all religions.
Why else? Can't they just live together and do whatever it is a gay family does without being married? I mean, they obviously don't care about the sin, so why take part in a religious institution if they can get all the benefits from the State?Quote:
Originally Posted by bgdog
Think about that.
Im atheist and married goat. Why?
When LiterallyPolice realized he was losing the argument. Textbook liberal tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
Yes, I'd like to see some credible sources of these happenings as well.
Do these things happen occasionally? I'm sure they do, but for every child not allowed to read their Bible at school, how many cases are there where Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc. are treated the same? This myth about only Christians being forbid to pray, read their Bible, etc., are totally overblown if not completely fabricated.
I see and hear Bible verses quoted in school speeches all the freakin' time, dude; so again, no dice.
As for the Air Force dude. If that actually happened, I suppose it would have to depend on exactly what verse the cadet chose to display. If it was Exodus 21:20-21 or Ephesians 6:5, I'm sure black guys in his unit would be quite offended. But I digress....
Of course they can, but why should they be denied something that their heterosexual counterparts aren't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
What the hell do you mean? People should not be officially labeled as second-class citizens because of who they love. Period. The world is bigger than a church parking lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Fair enough.... I see where you're coming from and, admittedly, I didn't really understand your comment until just now. In defense of my comment, however, from my perspective legal rights of homosexuals ties heavily into why both the gay community and the media are both so vocal.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
Bc our society, in which was originally created based on religious views from the Bible, has told you you're supposed to marry, have kids and experience the joys and strength a family provides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Hey, if they want that legal part of it, that's all on them. But again, that has nothing to do with Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by bgdog
This sums it up nicely. Sam is a marginal prospect made into a bigger deal because he chooses to very narrowly define himself by his sexuality and help push an agenda.
Serious question to the board.... Does anyone have any idea what Goat is talking about here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Goat, are you arguing that marriage is strictly a religious ceremony?
Division of the assets. Pretty much the same reason I mentioned above. All the legal benefits that come along with it. And I have no problem with gays wanting that. It's got nothing to do with the church, so don't try and make it about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
A person can live with someone and raise a family without being married, religiously or legally, if they wish.
Associated goat? Wtf are you talking about? The majority of gays I know are Christian and go to church.
Perhaps I should have qualified it by saying Christians denominations who believe fully in the Bible, and do not consider it subject to much, if any interpretation do not accept homosexuality as anything less than a sin. I am aware that there are plenty of Christians that believe abortion is OK, for example. And there are Christians who believe a wife should always submit to her husband, etc. In this day & age, it can be a real challenge to reconcile the Bible with modern society's views. So much of it comes down to faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Still, I'd be surprised if there are actual denominations that are truly Christian who consider homosexuality not a sin. This is not to say there aren't plenty who have accepted that Jesus Christ is our Saviour, yet believe it's also OK to be gay. I'm even aware there are some specific churches who have split away from their denomination over the "gay issue. But are they considered a denomination?
Why would someone who intentionally and openly sins want to go to church? Doesn't that run counter to what they believe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Oh, if twitter only existed in the 1940's and 50's....Quote:
Originally Posted by bgdog
#SeparateButEqual
They dont believe being what god made them is a sin. Dont be so close minded man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Im sure you intentionally and openly sin almost every day. Why do you go?
From experience, I'd say the Episcopal Church, at least the ones I've been to, does not view homosexuality as a sin; they seem to focus more on being good people and helping others in need.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
You wanna know why I go to church? DIVISION OF ASSETS. ***Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
We are all sinners. That's the point. And gays are welcome at church. I'm just assuming that if you have a guy who wants to do a bunch of sinful stuff, that he probably doesn't want to go to church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I'm not close-minded. A sin is what it is. There's no negotiating on whether or not being gay is a sin in the eyes of the Christian church.
Did you get married in a Church by a Priest or Reverend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Yes
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Fairly certain you DON'T go to church.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice
Next sarcastic attempt to deflect, please.
Bc they dont think it is a sin goat.
There is negotiation on that as well. Hell, the pope just said atheist can go to heaven. Religion, like everything, evolves because it isnt fact. It will evolve until the end of time.
Twins, even identical twins, don't have the exact same DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Then that's a perfect example of a Christian loving you even though he disagrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Marriage for the purposes of this discussion and the government is not limited to religious marriages. Many people don't have religious ceremonies but their marriages are recognized by the state as the equivalent of someone who did get married in a religious ceremony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
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Originally Posted by Goat Holder
BECAUSE IN MANY STATES IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY STILL CANT GET MARRIED ON THE BEACH.
Jesus Christ, are you just trying to be obtuse here?
I respect the fact that you and everyone else has a right to their opinion and I'm not judging you because I am certainly a sinner, but I do know that when we all stand before God, and we will, there will be no negotiation, and no discussion about how religion has evolved, only a fair and merciful judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Sure. Im not sure how they would know I was one or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralph
Christians are awful. The reason is they are nothing like their Christ. In fact, they are opposite. This thread proves that as the "libs" are acting more forgiving and loving than the thumpers.
You've got to be ****ing kidding me with this shit. Are you not familiar with the concept of a consenting adult?Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Fillmore
Haha... Deflect what? Our argument ended because you didn't know that the state afforded benefits to married couples. Remember? You thought that gays were fighting for their right to get married in a church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder