Bottom 6 out of 16 teams in every. single. sport.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

The premise that winning and character/values are mutually exclusive is false.

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You damn right.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Yes it is.

Too many have the idea that you must cheat or sell out to win and and ready and willing to do it. Unfortunately most of society feels the same way.

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You absolutely live in a world I am not familiar with and I have traveled over a large portion of this planet.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You absolutely live in a world I am not familiar with and I have traveled over a large portion of this planet.

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I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

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They used to not. Times they are a changing.

And you can't deny this when you highest authority in our country is filled by someone with worse allegations AND convictions than Chris Beard.

And that's not to turn this political. That's just saying OM is a reflection of society. We don't care what people did or didn't do if we think they can "win".

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

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I understand what you’re saying but what do you think should be placed above winning in an athletic program?

I’ve been saying for 2 years now that State will be relegated when realignment happens. It doesn’t matter that we are a founding member of the SEC we will be out. Our NIL is dead last, our hiring practices are laughable, our marketing still sucks (but there’s not much to market in their defense). It’s unfortunate, but we have some boneheaded boosters and an out of touch out of date AD staff that put us so far behind that it’s pretty much out of reach now. We replaced that staff with a trainee. Our boosters pretty much just like hanging out, drinking, and giving each other high fives. It’s funny and really backwards. It’s all over but the crying.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I’ve been saying for 2 years now that State will be relegated when realignment happens. It doesn’t matter that we are a founding member of the SEC we will be out. Our NIL is dead last, our hiring practices are laughable, our marketing still sucks (but there’s not much to market in their defense). It’s unfortunate, but we have some boneheaded boosters and an out of touch out of date AD staff that put us so far behind that it’s pretty much out of reach now. We replaced that staff with a trainee. Our boosters pretty much just like hanging out, drinking, and giving each other high fives. It’s funny and really backwards. It’s all over but the crying.

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We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

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Exactly, there won’t be an SEC per se there will be a total realignment. We ve been cheapskates way too long and we are about to reap what we have sown.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

this is total bs on luke. he is now married to her.

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Little confused... is the story BS? Did the now wife make up something? Is it BS bc even though it happened, they're now married?

she had a drinking issue and he went to get her back to her apartment. she was yelling and had way too much to drink when this guy walks by and calls the cops as he thought the couple didn't know each other. Her parents came to the police station in Luke's defense but the DA or whomever was set on prosecution and ending his baseball career before it got started. Once his attorney arrived and met with the MSU admin and legal folks it ended pretty quickly once another athletes name was mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

she had a drinking issue and he went to get her back to her apartment. she was yelling and had way too much to drink when this guy walks by and calls the cops as he thought the couple didn't know each other. Her parents came to the police station in Luke's defense but the DA or whomever was set on prosecution and ending his baseball career before it got started. Once his attorney arrived and met with the MSU admin and legal folks it ended pretty quickly once another athletes name was mentioned.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

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Ok I too have traveled the world but that means nothing. Traveling the world doesn't make any of us know more.

I know what the Good Book says (God's Word) and it says that we are all selfish and full of pride. I see it every where I go. People make selfish decisions all the time to better theirselves. Too many are fooling theirself if you think otherwise.

Yes some people make decisions not based on cheating, etc. to win but even God fearing people do it too.

Things have gotten way worse in our culture too - just as Bible said it would.

People doing right things are the minority - also in the Bible - narrow way and broad way.

I understand these are absolute truth's that many on here will not believe but true non the less.

Not a flame at anyone just stating the truth.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

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Anything is possible and this could happen as realignment continues but we must remember someone has to be the Washington Generals (Harlem Globtrotters opponent that lost every game). As Mullen said 50% of teams lost today and someone got to lose. It just feels like SEC has decided one of those teams is us.

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Originally Posted by Tater

They used to not. Times they are a changing.

And you can't deny this when you highest authority in our country is filled by someone with worse allegations AND convictions than Chris Beard.

And that's not to turn this political. That's just saying OM is a reflection of society. We don't care what people did or didn't do if we think they can "win".

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Beard, Will Wade, Bruce Pearl, Hugh Freeze, etc. see a pattern here? Yeah its worse.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Ok I too have traveled the world but that means nothing. Traveling the world doesn't make any of us know more.

I know what the Good Book says (God's Word) and it says that we are all selfish and full of pride. I see it every where I go. People make selfish decisions all the time to better theirselves. Too many are fooling theirself if you think otherwise.

Yes some people make decisions not based on cheating, etc. to win but even God fearing people do it too.

Things have gotten way worse in our culture too - just as Bible said it would.

People doing right things are the minority - also in the Bible - narrow way and broad way.

I understand these are absolute truth's that many on here will not believe but true non the less.

Not a flame at anyone just stating the truth.

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That's your truth R2. Just not one that everyone shares. That's OK. We all experience things differently. Honestly I don't see that as a bad thing. I've always said to my folks, if all of us are nodding up and down together all of the time, only one of us is doing the thinking.

And let's remember, God separated us with unique languages to make us different for a good reason.

Like others have said, I am concerned in the next 5-10 years we will be one of the next Oregon State/Washington State type teams. Realignment is constantly changing, but I just don't see us being in the same league as Ohio State, UGA, Bama, etc. Football is what drives this, so being good in basketball outside of being a blue blood is not as recognized. No one cares at all regarding baseball when it comes to this, hence Oregon State would have got an invite to the Big 12. I have accepted there is nothing that can be done about it, but it will be extremely disappointing if and when it happens. Ole Miss being better than us at both football and basketball though is a major disadvantage. They have two great coaches, while we have a good coach in Jans and a big question mark in Lebby. The next few years will tell us if we have the ability to compete in this new world or not. Unfortunately, it is not looking good at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

That's your truth R2. Just not one that everyone shares. That's OK. We all experience things differently. Honestly I don't see that as a bad thing. I've always said to my folks, if all of us are nodding up and down together all of the time, only one of us is doing the thinking.

And let's remember, God separated us with unique languages to make us different for a good reason.

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That ain't my truth that is what God's Word says. I'm just repeating it. I've found it true in my experience too and yes that is what I believe.

Yes others can have their own views and that is perfectly fine.

In the end, we'll all stand before God and give an account. I'm not that big a gambler to go against what God says but again that is just me. To each his own.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

That ain't my truth that is what God's Word says. I'm just repeating it. I've found it true in my experience too and yes that is what I believe.

Yes others can have their own views and that is perfectly fine.

In the end, we'll all stand before God and give an account. I'm not that big a gambler to go against what God says but again that is just me. To each his own.

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Wow. You really took that off the rails. Didn't see that leap coming where we're talking about people's nature and end up with disavowing God's Word. Wow. I'm just going to let that go for civility's sake.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Like others have said, I am concerned in the next 5-10 years we will be one of the next Oregon State/Washington State type teams. Realignment is constantly changing, but I just don't see us being in the same league as Ohio State, UGA, Bama, etc. Football is what drives this, so being good in basketball outside of being a blue blood is not as recognized. No one cares at all regarding baseball when it comes to this, hence Oregon State would have got an invite to the Big 12. I have accepted there is nothing that can be done about it, but it will be extremely disappointing if and when it happens. Ole Miss being better than us at both football and basketball though is a major disadvantage. They have two great coaches, while we have a good coach in Jans and a big question mark in Lebby. The next few years will tell us if we have the ability to compete in this new world or not. Unfortunately, it is not looking good at this point in time.

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Not only is OM better than us in football and basketball, they've been relevant more recently in baseball than we have. I don't believe it's ever been this way in my lifetime. Normally, you just deal with it and think it's cyclical and will pass, however we've been pulled into the NIL orbit as a permanent crumb. Outside of baseball, we would have to get extremely, extremely lucky in the portal, with coaches, hungry players, despite being out-recruited to have one great season in football or basketball now. Just one season!

Dawgs are here to provide wins for the big boys. Been that way for many years.

Lane Kiffin was a Big time hire for Ole Miss. Beard may have been unemployed. But he was a big time hire. When Bianco retires, they will make a big time hire. McPhee seems to be a nice hire. I believe they have a Women's Golf NC. Once they add Beach Volleyball, it will be katybarthedoor!

Meanwhile check our hires. Women's Golf -good. Women's Soccer-good. Men's Tennis- good. Men's basketball came from a mid-major. Football as has been our history is either a twilight former HC or a Coordinator or a RB's coach. Baseball, we went all the way to the Big 10 where Hockey and curling are more popular.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Lane Kiffin was a Big time hire for Ole Miss. Beard may have been unemployed. But he was a big time hire. When Bianco retires, they will make a big time hire. McPhee seems to be a nice hire. I believe they have a Women's Golf NC. Once they add Beach Volleyball, it will be katybarthedoor!

Meanwhile check our hires. Women's Golf -good. Women's Soccer-good. Men's Tennis- good. Men's basketball came from a mid-major. Football as has been our history is either a twilight former HC or a Coordinator or a RB's coach. Baseball, we went all the way to the Big 10 where Hockey and curling are more popular.

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They take chances on guys and we do not.

We could have hired Kiffin in 2017 and did not even interview him. Would he have come? I have no clue. But the best way to not find out is not even interview him.

Although it is a rumor, I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that we had Sark hired and someone vetoed it. Whether that be Keenum, the board, or someone else. Because I know for a fact we had graphics with Sark on them and had a press conference scheduled already.

You know we would never have hired someone like Chris Beard.

We have tons of safeguards around the Briles thing. We will not just let him be an analyst even though he wants to help and would be a great voice in Lebby’s ear on gameday.

That is the difference. They want to win. They know that the noise dies when the winning is happening.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They take chances on guys and we do not.

We could have hired Kiffin in 2017 and did not even interview him. Would he have come? I have no clue. But the best way to not find out is not even interview him.

Although it is a rumor, I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that we had Sark hired and someone vetoed it. Whether that be Keenum, the board, or someone else. Because I know for a fact we had graphics with Sark on them and had a press conference scheduled already.

You know we would never have hired someone like Chris Beard.

We have tons of safeguards around the Briles thing. We will not just let him be an analyst even though he wants to help and would be a great voice in Lebby’s ear on gameday.

That is the difference. They want to win. They know that the noise dies when the winning is happening.

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And that is why our athletic program will be the practical death nail in our coffin. Once we aren't invited to the new super conference and Ole Miss is, our student roll will dwindle to USM levels. The vision of our leaders has been so ****ed up, I'm surprised we have gotten this far. I say **** it and let Art Briles be the OC because no one will give a flying rats **** if we start winning at a higher rate.

AU hired Pearl and Freeze, both had major issues with the NCAA. If you want to win at a high level, you have to have the balls to take chances on accomplished coaches regardless of the baggage. We hired Sherrill and never again did we take that chance!

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

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If we get "relegated" as said, we won't compete. We will be another nobody if nobody's. No tv check. No chance. Sorry just is what it is.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They take chances on guys and we do not.

We could have hired Kiffin in 2017 and did not even interview him. Would he have come? I have no clue. But the best way to not find out is not even interview him.

Although it is a rumor, I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that we had Sark hired and someone vetoed it. Whether that be Keenum, the board, or someone else. Because I know for a fact we had graphics with Sark on them and had a press conference scheduled already.

You know we would never have hired someone like Chris Beard.

We have tons of safeguards around the Briles thing. We will not just let him be an analyst even though he wants to help and would be a great voice in Lebby?s ear on gameday.

That is the difference. They want to win. They know that the noise dies when the winning is happening.

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We never had sark hired. Not true. Cohen wasn't In love w sark. He was meh in process and didn't think he'd stay if he won anyway.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

We never had sark hired. Not true. Cohen wasn't In love w sark. He was meh in process and didn't think he'd stay if he won anyway.

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Another reason we make up to not hire someone. Well he will win but he will not stay. So what? Take the winning.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Another reason we make up to not hire someone. Well he will win but he will not stay. So what? Take the winning.

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Exactly. If the coach stays 3 years and moves on then fine. It's the winning that matters. That makes you relevant. Having someone commit to being here for 5+ years is ridiculous. Take the winning and make the job attractive to young up and coming coaches that want SEC experience. Ride the wave.

sounds opposite of a guy who wins big largely with another coaches players and then gets to stay for that reason only as he slowly allows the program to recede.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Another reason we make up to not hire someone. Well he will win but he will not stay. So what? Take the winning.

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Good grief, no kidding.

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Originally Posted by Thick

We hired Sherrill and never again did we take that chance!

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And boy did it pay off. First time we could really be proud to be State football fans.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

And boy did it pay off. First time we could really be proud to be State football fans.

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My all-time favorite coach in any sport at dear 'ol State.

Anybody watching UAB vs UC Irvine?.NIT? We supposedly are going after #2 for UAB. Bart Hyche?s suggestion to Jans.

Leach had a checkered past if you believe Craig James didn't kill five hookers.

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Originally Posted by Thick

Anybody watching UAB vs UC Irvine?.NIT? We supposedly are going after #2 for UAB. Bart Hyche?s suggestion to Jans.

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52% 3p at home and 32% on the road. He'd be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

Gimme 6-7 months and I'll be way more hyped and sunshine pumpy

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Originally Posted by State82

My all-time favorite coach in any sport at dear 'ol State.

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Jackie taught us to win again, also my favorite all time (Even though wheels came off for various reasons last three years) and saw my first of hundreds of games in 1963, age eight. Lots of very poor MSU HC's in my lifetime (and AD's).

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Originally Posted by Tater

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

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Women sports do not matter.
If that is your answer, then we have already lost the real battle.