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Originally Posted by Goldendawg
2014 we had a legitimate shot of at the very least playing for a national championship. I don't think that happens in this current state of things. Dak may not have been a bulldog very long along with a slew of others. I'd much rather have the under the table dealings of before a million times over than this. We missed out on Cam for what 200 thousand? That's 7 figures if it was today.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Exactly. That was just 9 short years ago. No way we could keep a team like that together now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Bingo, well stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Yes there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dak wouldn't have left after 2013. There was just no way for anyone to know he would have made such a big jump from 2013 (when he was solid but nothing special) to 2014 (when he probably should have won the Heisman, in hindsight).Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
It's possible he could have transferred somewhere after 2014, but remember that he could have done that anyway since he would have been a graduate transfer. I think we would have held on to him in 2015 since it's not like that team had a bunch of other superstars, so we could have put up a 7-figure package for him.
I don’t think we would have lost Dak. It’s the other guys like a Bear Wilson or Fred Ross that we would have had trouble keeping plus some others on D
Explain to me how we are positioned any differently than we were in 2009-2017. You can't. Because, factually, we aren't. Same money and resources relative to everybody else. If we make the right hires we can absolutely average 7.1-4.9 just like Dan did here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
And if we were coming off 2014 right now we'd pay Dak the 1.5 or 2 it would take and have another 6 million to divided between the rest. Our resources are the same they've always been relative to the competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
No there’s not. See I can do that too. I can spew bullshit with no real evidence at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I don’t know how to put other than if you can’t see for yourself how the landscape of collegiate athletics has changed for the worse for us I can’t help out here. Don’t lose it if we end up in the same situation as Wazzu and Ore State.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Thats not really being fair. Mullen averaged 8 wins per after his 1st initial season- not to mention he won 33 games his last 4 seasons and had built a roster in 2018 that was his best yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
No he didn't. Taking year 1 away he averaged 7.38-4.62. Still very doable for lebby in years 2-9 if he stays here 9 years. Yall acting like that's now impossible in today's landscape is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And Dan also threw up a 5-7 in year 8. He averaged 7.1-4.9 over 9 seasons. Very doable for lebby.
The biggest difference is in 2009 with Cam we weren't willing to pay or play the game. Now we have the opportunity to do so because paying players isn't illegal anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I think the new schedule format is going to help us out too. Remember 2022 when we had to play Alabama, Georgia, and LSU and went 8-4? It's going to be very unusual IMO for us to have a schedule that brutal- maybe 2 teams like that but not three. With today's format that team is probably a 10-3 team on the year including the bowl if not better.
And to your point Moorhead averaged what? 7.5 wins in two years? Leach averaged 6.7 with funky SEC scheduling in 2020 and if you take out 2020 he averaged 8.
Mullen won 64 games in his last 8 seasons after a 5-7 1st season rebuild. 64 divided by 8 = 8Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Could Lebby average 7 wins? Probably. But it damn sure wont be any more than that. What we are saying is the road to 9 and 10 wins is going to be much tougher than it even was 5 years ago. College football is in a state of constant metamorphosis now.
No. He won 59 regular season games his last 8 years, 64 over 9 years, which is what the conversation was about. We were discussing whether 7-5/8-4 was possible anymore. Whether a bowl game is won or lost has nothing to do with that. And a lot of players and coaches don't even participate in bowl games. Irrelevant metric outside of playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You say Lebby won't average any more than 7 wins?Is that some big statement? The debate started when I said Dan averaged 7.1-4.9 and that I see no reason that we can't be that going forward, and what was said by those on your side of the argument in response is that 7-5/8-4 was no longer doable, that we couldn't be what we've been in the past anymore due to the new era of cfb. The best sustained run we've ever had was Dan's 7.1-4.9 run. That's doable. And our past as a whole is worse than that, more like 6-6 which is certainly doable.
No sane person is arguing we will be a 9 or 10 win program.
I believe things will return to the mean like they almost always do. I think we're starting to see some of the first signs of it now. Look at TAMU and the Jimbo contract. They're not going to spend that much again and have a limit on the assistant coach pool ($11M total). Also hearing LSU is having some NIL issues. I think we are a cycle or two away from starting to see some logic being applied. Think multi year deals that lock players in or have a financial penalty for leaving. Also, may see more teams like Bama, UGA etc. saying if you go into the portal you lose your spot. At some point, not just for the dollar aspect, but you e gotta think the coaches are going to get tired of recruiting and re-recruiting the same kids year after year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm all for the kids cashing in. Yeah they get the scholly and perks that come with it but anybody here that believes the universities are putting academics first are fooling themselves. When you figure in class time and other requirements these kids are putting 12 hour days and a lot of that is before they get to homework. Also, their body and ability is their commodity. That can be taken from them in one snap of the ball. They deserve to make money...within reason.
Yes exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dan had 69 wins here in 9 years. That's 7.6-5.1. The last 8 years his average was 8-4.9. Bowl games are relevant. The trend of players sitting out is still fairly recent. I don't think that was a big deal until maybe the last year or two of Mullen's tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say