Football Scheduling

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Originally Posted by mullenman

I fully intended on being done. What can I say. I've been baited back.

First: The whole "we" thing. I've always been a believer that you have to earn the right to say "we" and "our". You have to pursue academics or athletics at a school in order to say "we" did this or "our" team did that imo. I don't think, though, that one has to attend that same school in order for it to his/her favorite team and be able to discuss it. I'm just not going to use "we" "our" "us" etc to discuss MSU when I didn't attend. It is what it is.

Second: Yes. I have Mullen as a part of my username. While Sherrill may have more wins, Mullen has surpassed him and any other coach of my generation. If the coach that follows Mullen continues his success, it will be due in large part to Mullen's contributions. Whether Dan leaves Starkvegas on good terms or not, I'll still be a Mullen man. Call it a man crush. Call it what you will.

Third: I appreciate those of you who read the entire thread before commenting. I am aware of the Power 5 rule.. I am disappointed in the teams we have schedule since it went into effect. Not impressed with NC State. I also did not mean, though I can see how it can be read that way, that everyone but one person agreed with me. Only that multiple posters liked the idea of scheduling big time OOC games. One of these was also brashly accused of being a black bear.

Fourth: To sum up my statements and likely be done with this thread (though not this site). I think in order to remain nationally relevant, state needs big OOC games. I do not think, even with an egg bowl win, state would have been given serious consideration for the playoff. 2 teams out of Baylor, TCU, and OSU would have needed to lose in order for that to happen. We know how that turned out. I didn't miss the month of November. I alluded to Gary Patterson..maybe that was missed. His Horned Frogs were #3 and smoked Iowa State (if memory serves..I know they won their finale by 50-ish), yet were dropped all the way to 6. Staying with the facts, State was likely not going to jump TCU with an Egg Bowl win. Mullen might have gotten them to 6th and TCU 7th, but no better. You just are not being realistic if you're saying State was going to be ahead of some combination of Baylor, FSU, OSU, and TCU and get into the playoff. I think bigger OOC games add exposure (to recruits, prospective students, media), widen (not lessen) your margin for error, grow your fan base, strengthen your SOS (which the committee considers and we should as well) and make more money. You don't have to pay a chump school. There are teams willing to play a home and home with State. Trump card: Texas went to TSUN. The revenue generated for the GTA by a Texas level program would far exceed that of JSU, MSVS, or even USM. It is my OPINION that State should continue expanding its footprint. Worst case scenario, evidently, is that State loses a game it is "supposed" to lose. Best case: State could jump a Baylor-type team that had a weak nonconference schedule and/or no conference championship.

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Really?

There should be an anvil around here somewhere

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Originally Posted by mullenman

Fourth: To sum up my statements and likely be done with this thread (though not this site). I think in order to remain nationally relevant, state needs big OOC games. I do not think, even with an egg bowl win, state would have been given serious consideration for the playoff. 2 teams out of Baylor, TCU, and OSU would have needed to lose in order for that to happen. We know how that turned out. I didn't miss the month of November. I alluded to Gary Patterson..maybe that was missed. His Horned Frogs were #3 and smoked Iowa State (if memory serves..I know they won their finale by 50-ish), yet were dropped all the way to 6. Staying with the facts, State was likely not going to jump TCU with an Egg Bowl win. Mullen might have gotten them to 6th and TCU 7th, but no better. You just are not being realistic if you're saying State was going to be ahead of some combination of Baylor, FSU, OSU, and TCU and get into the playoff. I think bigger OOC games add exposure (to recruits, prospective students, media), widen (not lessen) your margin for error, grow your fan base, strengthen your SOS (which the committee considers and we should as well) and make more money. You don't have to pay a chump school. There are teams willing to play a home and home with State. Trump card: Texas went to TSUN. The revenue generated for the GTA by a Texas level program would far exceed that of JSU, MSVS, or even USM. It is my OPINION that State should continue expanding its footprint. Worst case scenario, evidently, is that State loses a game it is "supposed" to lose. Best case: State could jump a Baylor-type team that had a weak nonconference schedule and/or no conference championship.

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I'm only going to deal with point 4 since that is what we have been debating. First and foremost we were already in serious discussions by the pundits, media, and most importantly the selection committee with one game remaining. YOU or anyone else don't know how much weight winning that last game and finishing second in the SEC wouuld have made. All indications were if we were left out we were not falling past #5 and had the the second best shot of staying in as a one loss team as well. The evidence is the final ranking when we were #7 as the highest ranking 2 loss team. And you think Mullen could have only gotten us to #6 with 1 loss at best? We were #7 with 2 losses. You are wrong. We were very deep in the committee discussions and at worst we would have been #5 because of the weight of OSU playing and winning their championship game. But it would have been very close debate as our only loss would have been to the #1 team on the road vs OSU lost to an average VA Tech at home. But we were already ahead of Baylor and TCU we did not have worry about jumping them they were behind us. And they would not jump us without conference championship game.

Oh. And again you left off Ohio State and their weak schedule who actually lost to an average power 5 school, had a much weaker SOS and not only made the playoffs but won the whole thing. Their OOC schedule Navy, Va Tech, Kent State, Cincinatti. What an elite group that is. You are off base with your thinking and last seasons facts proves this. Our up coming schedules are more than adequate.

Only Ole Missus people gab out us being left out if we had beaten them or about our scheduling. Ohio State lost to a 6-6 team and played a weaker schedule in the Big Ten- we played in the SEC- there is no comparision had we beaten Ole Missus. This is a bullshit thread.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Only Ole Missus people gab out us being left out if we had beaten them or about our scheduling. Ohio State lost to a 6-6 team and played a weaker schedule in the Big Ten- we played in the SEC- there is no comparision had we beaten Ole Missus. This is a bullshit thread.

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Originally Posted by BulldogBear

Really?

There should be an anvil around here somewhere

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CLEARLY that is a dig at TSUN and a response to an earlier statement that a national program would not play a home and home with MSU.

Outside of that, you and Coach34 seriously need to reassess your priorities. Evidently you both have some sort of complex.

And State has not averaged a top 10 schedule over the last 10 years.

Really Clark? There is no doubt I agree that OSU SHOULD have been eliminated from playoff contention the moment they lost to VTech. But we both know Ohio State was not getting left out after trouncing Wisconsin in their conference game. The remaining teams that made the playoff are no debate. To your point, an undefeated team with a cupcake schedule can make it-FSU. Had they lost a single game, they are behind all the teams we have been mentioning. A stronger SOS gives you more wiggle room. Otherwise one must win games against quality opponents by astronomical numbers.

I also think Baylor would have jumped State. I wouldn't bet against TCU doing the same, so like I said. 6 or 7.

You can discuss what should have been, and we'll likely agree. I'm talking about what I think would, not should, have been. Take out the personal feelings and the desire for what you think should have been and you'll see my line of thinking is quite logical.

Mullenman- your problem is comparing us to TCU. TCU's schedule issue wasn't as much about their OOC schedule as it was about who they played IN THEIR CONFERENCE.

Their OOC schedule was Samford, in state school SMU.....and then they played Minnesota out of the Big 10 which went 8-5 on the year. So, they played a decent OOC schedule. The problem was their Big 12 schedule which they have no control over. If they had defeated Baylor- they would have been in.

The BIG difference is we had to play Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas- and then a South Alabama team that made a bowl on the road. UAB was bowl eligible also- so they weren't horrible either. That's eight quality opponents basically. We can't control the fact that Vandy and Kentucky were not all that great but UK was decent and probably a bowl team in any other conference. Then we played our I-AA cupcake and USM- an in state school.

Then you look at the Big 12- the only conference teams that TCU beat with at least 8 wins were Kansas State and Oklahoma. West Virginia was 7-6. Texas was 6-7 after their bowl loss, Oklahoma State was 7-6, and then the rest of the league besides Baylor had losing records. Compare that to us where every team in our division made a bowl.

And the other thing that hurt TCU was the Big 12 not having a conference championship game- something that is not an issue with us either.

You argue like a bear-shark. Reminds me of the TSUNbearhunter troll.

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Originally Posted by mullenman

CLEARLY that is a dig at TSUN and a response to an earlier statement that a national program would not play a home and home with MSU.

Outside of that, you and Coach34 seriously need to reassess your priorities. Evidently you both have some sort of complex.

And State has not averaged a top 10 schedule over the last 10 years.

Really Clark? There is no doubt I agree that OSU SHOULD have been eliminated from playoff contention the moment they lost to VTech. But we both know Ohio State was not getting left out after trouncing Wisconsin in their conference game. The remaining teams that made the playoff are no debate. To your point, an undefeated team with a cupcake schedule can make it-FSU. Had they lost a single game, they are behind all the teams we have been mentioning. A stronger SOS gives you more wiggle room. Otherwise one must win games against quality opponents by astronomical numbers.

I also think Baylor would have jumped State. I wouldn't bet against TCU doing the same, so like I said. 6 or 7.

You can discuss what should have been, and we'll likely agree. I'm talking about what I think would, not should, have been. Take out the personal feelings and the desire for what you think should have been and you'll see my line of thinking is quite logical.

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Originally Posted by mullenman

Outside of that, you and Coach34 seriously need to reassess your priorities. Evidently you both have some sort of complex.

And State has not averaged a top 10 schedule over the last 10 years.

Really Clark? There is no doubt I agree that OSU SHOULD have been eliminated from playoff contention the moment they lost to VTech. But we both know Ohio State was not getting left out after trouncing Wisconsin in their conference game. The remaining teams that made the playoff are no debate. To your point, an undefeated team with a cupcake schedule can make it-FSU. Had they lost a single game, they are behind all the teams we have been mentioning. A stronger SOS gives you more wiggle room. Otherwise one must win games against quality opponents by astronomical numbers.

I also think Baylor would have jumped State. I wouldn't bet against TCU doing the same, so like I said. 6 or 7.

You can discuss what should have been, and we'll likely agree. I'm talking about what I think would, not should, have been. Take out the personal feelings and the desire for what you think should have been and you'll see my line of thinking is quite logical.

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I have a complex based on what?
You think Baylor jumps us why??? We would have been 11-1 with a road loss to the #1 team. You say 6 or 7- we were #7 at 10-2- so no way in hell would we have been 6 or 7 at 11-1 you idiot. Are you really dumb enough to say that we would been 7 at 11-1 or 10-2??? Really???

SOS in Mullen's tenure???

2014- 6th in the country
2013- 32nd
2012- 17th
2011- 25th
2010- 23rd
2009- 5th

Our schedule is just fine

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Originally Posted by mullenman

CLEARLY that is a dig at TSUN and a response to an earlier statement that a national program would not play a home and home with MSU.

Outside of that, you and Coach34 seriously need to reassess your priorities. Evidently you both have some sort of complex.

And State has not averaged a top 10 schedule over the last 10 years.

Really Clark? There is no doubt I agree that OSU SHOULD have been eliminated from playoff contention the moment they lost to VTech. But we both know Ohio State was not getting left out after trouncing Wisconsin in their conference game. The remaining teams that made the playoff are no debate. To your point, an undefeated team with a cupcake schedule can make it-FSU. Had they lost a single game, they are behind all the teams we have been mentioning. A stronger SOS gives you more wiggle room. Otherwise one must win games against quality opponents by astronomical numbers.

I also think Baylor would have jumped State. I wouldn't bet against TCU doing the same, so like I said. 6 or 7.

You can discuss what should have been, and we'll likely agree. I'm talking about what I think would, not should, have been. Take out the personal feelings and the desire for what you think should have been and you'll see my line of thinking is quite logical.

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No, I really don't see your point view and it's not very logically when we have the recent evidence staring us in the face. I completely disagree that Baylor would have jumped us. Our only loss would have been to #1 on the road and we would have beat Bama's only loss on the road as well. With no conference championship game neither Baylor or TCU jumps us. We were already ahead of them and our SOS was ahead of all three of those teams (including OSU).

It's pretty simple, we were already #1 with our schedule as it was last year. You don't have to strengthen our schedule to get to #1 or even with one loss still be heavy in the playoff discussions at the end of the year. We were already there and had the wiggle room with the one loss anyway. The biggest issue about getting into the playoff now and was the same with the BCS is WHEN you lose. Both Oregon and OSU got in with early losses. Because we lost to a power house in conference game on the road, the committee was reluctant to eliminate is until we did it ourselves. There is no way to know but all the models showed us neck and neck with OSU if we had won and with them winning. Baylor and TCU were going to be left out regardless because of no championship game.

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

You argue like a bear-shark. Reminds me of the TSUNbearhunter troll.

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Just a matter of time, lol.

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Its long obvious at this point- but we are going to continue to allow the troll because it's the offseason.

Troll- you lost on this one. Care to try another topic???

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Care to try another topic???

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I'd love to hear him opine on the "revisionist history" thread, lol.

State's best win had they won the egg bowl? Regardless of who you think, they'd be an 8 win team.

Playoff if State won the egg bowl:

1. Alabama
2. Oregon (had a better shot at jumping to the one seed had TSUN lost the egg bowl...their loss would have been to an 8-4 crew instead of 9-3)
3. FSU
4. OSU
5. Baylor
6/7. TCU/MSU

Thanks for doing my research for me coach34. You were actually useful today. Give yourself a cookie.

O how lovely it must be
to live in an alternate reality

Maybe one day I'll join too
but logic keeps me from you

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Originally Posted by mullenman

...CLEARLY that is a dig at TSUN....

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Why even mention that? And no, I was saying don't call something Ole Miss did the "trump card" and expect anything less than what you're getting.

For the moment I'll humor you. A better example is 2013. We went 6-6, losing to Oklahoma State. If we'd played someone like Kansas or Washington State, we might not have struggled to get to a bowl game. As it is we beat everyone we knew we would beat and then had to go on the road to beat Arkansas to get to 6 wins instead of an Indiana or Boston College.

Now, if you've paid attention, you'll note that ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ was a better example of a dig at TSUN

ETA: Good Bye!

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Originally Posted by mullenman

State's best win had they won the egg bowl? Regardless of who you think, they'd be an 8 win team.

Playoff if State won the egg bowl:

1. Alabama
2. Oregon (had a better shot at jumping to the one seed had TSUN lost the egg bowl...their loss would have been to an 8-4 crew instead of 9-3)
3. FSU
4. OSU
5. Baylor
6/7. TCU/MSU

Thanks for doing my research for me coach34. You were actually useful today. Give yourself a cookie.

O how lovely it must be
to live in an alternate reality

Maybe one day I'll join too
but logic keeps me from you

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There's no way an 11-1 Baylor team would have jumped a 11-1 MSU team. Their schedule was even worse than TCU. SMU, Northwestern State, and Buffalo. People thought our OOC schedule was easy- not compared to Baylor. I don't think Ohio State would have jumped us either having lost to 6-6 Virginia Tech vs. our loss to Alabama on the road by six points.

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Originally Posted by mullenman

State's best win had they won the egg bowl? Regardless of who you think, they'd be an 8 win team.

Playoff if State won the egg bowl:

1. Alabama
2. Oregon (had a better shot at jumping to the one seed had TSUN lost the egg bowl...their loss would have been to an 8-4 crew instead of 9-3)
3. FSU
4. OSU
5. Baylor
6/7. TCU/MSU

Thanks for doing my research for me coach34. You were actually useful today. Give yourself a cookie.

O how lovely it must be
to live in an alternate reality

Maybe one day I'll join too
but logic keeps me from you

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Holy mother****ering shit you stupid Rebel **********...did you miss where I posted SOS- yet you tried to post some crap about "State's best win"????

SOS 2014:

State- 6th
Baylor- 10th
Ohio State- 2nd (and that is after adding Bama and Oregon to get them into the top 15)
Fla State- 12th
TCU- 29th

and with that Troll- we bid you goodbye

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Originally Posted by mullenman

State's best win had they won the egg bowl? Regardless of who you think, they'd be an 8 win team.

Playoff if State won the egg bowl:

1. Alabama
2. Oregon (had a better shot at jumping to the one seed had TSUN lost the egg bowl...their loss would have been to an 8-4 crew instead of 9-3)
3. FSU
4. OSU
5. Baylor
6/7. TCU/MSU

Thanks for doing my research for me coach34. You were actually useful today. Give yourself a cookie.

O how lovely it must be
to live in an alternate reality

Maybe one day I'll join too
but logic keeps me from you

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According to who? You? Baylor nor TCU jumps us. Where are you getting that? The models had Baylor behind us, TCU and OSU. They were not ever at any point jumping two of the three. All things being equal, we would have been neck and neck with OSU. And this is using models that ran 10,000 simulations, like Fivethirtyeight. Not just your opinion, which flys in the face of facts and the projections at the time. Try using a source for once and keep up with the rest of us. You are the only one failing to grasp this because of false logic. My word you are obtuse and illogical.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Holy mother****ering shit you stupid Rebel **********...did you miss where I posted SOS- yet you tried to post some crap about "State's best win"????

SOS 2014:

State- 6th
Baylor- 10th
Ohio State- 2nd (and that is after adding Bama and Oregon to get them into the top 15)
Fla State- 12th
TCU- 29th

and with that Troll- we bid you goodbye

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Good riddance to that idiot

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Good riddance to that idiot

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The light that burns twice as bright, burns for half as long...or in this guys case, about 6 hours. Wow, lol.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Holy mother****ering shit you stupid Rebel **********...did you miss where I posted SOS- yet you tried to post some crap about "State's best win"????

SOS 2014:

State- 6th
Baylor- 10th
Ohio State- 2nd (and that is after adding Bama and Oregon to get them into the top 15)
Fla State- 12th
TCU- 29th

and with that Troll- we bid you goodbye

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