Sunday Morning Thoughts-Hello Darkness My Old Friend

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No we're a lot worse. At least they have uniformity behind Rane and Lowder. We got Adkerson that pays for basically everything, who doesn't say anything about how much he gives and a bunch of boosters under him fighting to tell everyone how much they donate.

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You make great point there. But we are similar in that we like them are driven by the dumbassery of a few boosters that have a gigantic case of LDS with the confederates.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You make great point there. But we are similar in that we like them are driven by the dumbassery of a few boosters that have a gigantic case of LDS with the confederates.

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Now that is correct. We have no uniformity. We have 25-30 boosters that if they weren't giving such large checks, Selmon would tell them to kick rocks and go support Delta St. Selmon has thankfully eschewed them to the edges like Mullen and Byrne did.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I mean Byrne and Stricklin were both Asst. ADs. Selmon is going to be good. But y'all are going to have to give him more than 22 months, especially in this new environment and how bad our athletic dept was being run under Cohen. He has had to take the athletic dept down to the studs. I don't think some of y'all get how bad it was. We had people in 6 figure salary jobs that didn't know how to do the job were being paid for. Selmon almost quit within a week because of how bad it was. He never wanted Arnett and made that known. He thought Arnett was a bad football coach. He said he had no clue how to run a program, and he was right. And had the boosters gotten their pick of who they wanted our AD would've been Jared Benko who just left Ga Southern, AS THE AD, to go be with Cohen and be an asst AD.

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I was editing my post twice. I did point out in my opinion that Byrne (very successful) at State and Strickland (somewhat successful in some ways) were hired by us from the Asst AD ranks. I don't know anyone that misses the "Templeton Troughs".***** Very few HC's from other programs hired to be our HC in my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I mean Byrne and Stricklin were both Asst. ADs. Selmon is going to be good. But y'all are going to have to give him more than 22 months, especially in this new environment and how bad our athletic dept was being run under Cohen. He has had to take the athletic dept down to the studs. I don't think some of y'all get how bad it was. We had people in 6 figure salary jobs that didn't know how to do the job were being paid for. Selmon almost quit within a week because of how bad it was. He never wanted Arnett and made that known. He thought Arnett was a bad football coach. He said he had no clue how to run a program, and he was right. And had the boosters gotten their pick of who they wanted our AD would've been Jared Benko who just left Ga Southern, AS THE AD, to go be with Cohen and be an asst AD.

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And people wonder why our football program is so bad now. This has been building since Cohen hired JoMo and told all the other potential candidates "It's over. We found our guy."

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And people wonder why our football program is so bad now. This has been building since Cohen hired JoMo and told all the other potential candidates "It's over. We found our guy."

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Exactly! So thank the same bunch we have been talking about for all of this. It's all at their feet.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And people wonder why our football program is so bad now. This has been building since Cohen hired JoMo and told all the other potential candidates "It's over. We found our guy."

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And just as a reminder…Kyle Whittingham and Mark Stoops both were trying to get in the mix for our job in 17.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Lebbo is appearing to dig in on Hutzler.

So get ready for him to be DC again next year unless they have a deal for him to move to STC.

We have had our 2 year reshuffle now. 2025 needs to see progress and a vision moving forward.

But when you see Michigan announce they are comitting $50MM per year moving forward- its over. All this shit is done. We cannot compete with big budget college football

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At this point he?s not firing Hutzler.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go to the bar at Reunion, CCJ, Annandale, etc and you will see them. Go to Taste, 44 Prime, or Two Brothers when you're in Starkville and you'll see them there too. They love to brag about knowing the players and the coaches and all the "inside info" they have. It's a bunch of baseball boosters that Byrne and Stricklin told to 17 off and Cohen let them back in and let them have control. And let me tell you, the baseball boosters are a WEIRD bunch. They openly brag about taking the players and their girlfriends out to get drunk, snapchat with them, text with the girlfriends.....IT'S WEIRD.

Like Dawgology said, without Charlie Winfield(god bless that man) our NIL would be peddling autographed baseballs. Every stupid decision made from 2016 on leads back to one person. John Cohen. If you have to ask yourself why we are in the mess we are in.....John Cohen.

Want to know why we have no LED lights in football and shitty sound system but baseball has both......John Cohen

Want to know why we put lipstick on a pig in basketball, but baseball already has renovation plans for a 6 year old stadium....John Cohen

Want to know why we were 24-36 months behind EVERYONE ELSE with NIL until Charlie put it in overdrive.....John Cohen


And you know who put John Cohen in charge? Those same boosters I am talking about plus a few more who just wanted to be able to call the AD so their box could get some new stuff

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That?s pitifully sad. I can understand some of the anting to know the ins and outs of a program if you give a lot, I?m not interested, but I get it. People in general like to know a secret others don?t know. Access scratches that itch.

I do not understand why anyone would want to ?call the shots?.

What a bunch of dumb 17 donors think they know about calling shots in a sport because they have a good construction business will always baffle me.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

That?s pitifully sad. I can understand some of the anting to know the ins and outs of a program if you give a lot, I?m not interested, but I get it. People in general like to know a secret others don?t know. Access scratches that itch.

I do not understand why anyone would want to ?call the shots?.

What a bunch of dumb 17 donors think they know about calling shots in a sport because they have a good construction business will always baffle me.

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Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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I've mentioned this before but what's wrong with our "fans" is they are not fans. I know many pepople here in the Memphis area that will bring up the "Bulldawgs" when I run into them but they haven't been to a game in years, they don't give anything and they barely know our coaches name (seriously). I just don't get it. Why are Ole Miss grads brainwashed and ours forget we have a football team after they leave? It's bizarre.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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I'm so glad that there are those that can see what we have been witnessing for years. We will act against our own self interest regularly just so a few can brag about their escapades in Starkville. It's pathetic. But don't think that they haven't had help, they have. They outmaneuvered the AD search to get Cohen in.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I've mentioned this before but what's wrong with our "fans" is they are not fans. I know many pepople here in the Memphis area that will bring up the "Bulldawgs" when I run into them but they haven't been to a game in years, they don't give anything and they barely know our coaches name (seriously). I just don't get it. Why are Ole Miss grads brainwashed and ours forget we have a football team after they leave? It's bizarre.

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I think people get burned out. The university has shot itself in the foot many times (like is being discussed on here now) that people just throw up their hands.

But the mindset does seem different right now.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I've mentioned this before but what's wrong with our "fans" is they are not fans. I know many pepople here in the Memphis area that will bring up the "Bulldawgs" when I run into them but they haven't been to a game in years, they don't give anything and they barely know our coaches name (seriously). I just don't get it. Why are Ole Miss grads brainwashed and ours forget we have a football team after they leave? It's bizarre.

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Because they have this weird new concept called Alumni Outreach. A lot of schools are trying it out. Mississippi State is in a wait and see approach. I wish I was kidding. Ole Miss keeps up with their alumni and makes it a big deal to come back to campus for a few weekends in the fall and spring.

Mississippi State doesn't care. They could care less if young alumni came back. I mean I'm lucky enough that we have a condo in Starkville and have season tickets to everything or it would be almost impossible to come to games and enjoy them. Tickets aren't a problem, at least right now, but I mean where the hell are you supposed to stay in Starkville? There's 6 hotels and the team takes one of them and then there's a couple of fleabag motels, but I mean that's just not enough for a college town on a gameday weekend. I mean if I'm the University, I'm running gameday shuttles to hotels in Columbus and West Point. Hell, I'd be running charter buses to hotels in Meridian, Grenada, and even Jackson. Make it accessible for people to get there and they may be more willing to come. And that goes past just young alumni, that goes to out of state fans or even in state fans that may not live close to Starkville. I mean Mississippi State could EASILY afford to do that. Hell, Everett would probably cut them a deal on the buses.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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I think that is fans that wants to voice their frustrations and Twitter is their only place to voice their frustrations and for it to be heard. They are not big donors but they do contribute to NIL as much as they can. I cannot say that I blame them for voicing their frustrations.
Also to add, you have people like the Bus Driver telling people shut up. Yea and that doesn?t work. That pisses them off more

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

I think that?s fans that wants to voice their frustrations and Twitter is their only place to voice their frustrations and for it to be heard. They?re not big donors but they do contribute to NIL as much as they can. I can?t say that I blame them for voicing their frustrations.

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Don't do it on social media for the freaking world to see. Recruits see that shit. Transfer portal targets see that shit. If you want to bitch and complain then send an email. There's just as good of a chance he'll respond to that as you tweeting at the damn AD. I mean we got people trying to torpedo the damn program for 3 likes and his group message to tell him he's a bad ass. It's just more loser mentality from our fanbase.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because they have this weird new concept called Alumni Outreach. A lot of schools are trying it out. Mississippi State is in a wait and see approach. I wish I was kidding. Ole Miss keeps up with their alumni and makes it a big deal to come back to campus for a few weekends in the fall and spring.

Mississippi State doesn't care. They could care less if young alumni came back. I mean I'm lucky enough that we have a condo in Starkville and have season tickets to everything or it would be almost impossible to come to games and enjoy them. Tickets aren't a problem, at least right now, but I mean where the hell are you supposed to stay in Starkville? There's 6 hotels and the team takes one of them and then there's a couple of fleabag motels, but I mean that's just not enough for a college town on a gameday weekend. I mean if I'm the University, I'm running gameday shuttles to hotels in Columbus and West Point. Hell, I'd be running charter buses to hotels in Meridian, Grenada, and even Jackson. Make it accessible for people to get there and they may be more willing to come. And that goes past just young alumni, that goes to out of state fans or even in state fans that may not live close to Starkville. I mean Mississippi State could EASILY afford to do that. Hell, Everett would probably cut them a deal on the buses.

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I’m from Meridian. We get a TON of business hotel wise from teams that play us. The drive is easy to Stark and there’s more places to eat here. It makes sense for people to stay, but if my girlfriend wasn’t a senior, I would be driving back and forth every game…that’s certainly way less enjoyable than actually being able to do something after the games. Starkville definitely needs some better bars though. The fact the district closes at 1 is insane. I work 5 days a week and I stay up until 1 almost every night. Starkville City council must also all sit on the SBC. SHEESH

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I?m from Meridian. We get a TON of business hotel wise from teams that play us. The drive is easy to Stark and there?s more places to eat here. It makes sense for people to stay, but if my girlfriend wasn?t a senior, I would be driving back and forth every game?that?s certainly way less enjoyable than actually being able to do something after the games. Starkville definitely needs some better bars though. The fact the district closes at 1 is insane. I work 5 days a week and I stay up until 1 almost every night. Starkville City council must also all sit on the SBC. SHEESH

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If you think Meridian is better than Starkville, you've lost your damn mind lol. Meridian is plus size Newton.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If you think Meridian is better than Starkville, you've lost your damn mind lol. Meridian is plus size Newton.

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As a whole? Not even close, but it’s way better equipped to house overnight stayers than Starkville is. There’s no night life in Meridian unless you’re a gangbanger, but closing college bars down at 1 on Friday night is early. Tuscaloosa keeps them open until 3. Meridian is a sh!thole for sure, but that does not change the fact that Starkville bar scene is also lacking. Meridian is beyond saving. Starkville has a lot of untapped potential and can improve

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I?m from Meridian. We get a TON of business hotel wise from teams that play us. The drive is easy to Stark and there?s more places to eat here. It makes sense for people to stay, but if my girlfriend wasn?t a senior, I would be driving back and forth every game?that?s certainly way less enjoyable than actually being able to do something after the games. Starkville definitely needs some better bars though. The fact the district closes at 1 is insane. I work 5 days a week and I stay up until 1 almost every night. Starkville City council must also all sit on the SBC. SHEESH

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Starkville City Council are a bunch of blowhard career politician types. There?s one young lady who seems solid.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go to the bar at Reunion, CCJ, Annandale, etc and you will see them. Go to Taste, 44 Prime, or Two Brothers when you're in Starkville and you'll see them there too. They love to brag about knowing the players and the coaches and all the "inside info" they have. It's a bunch of baseball boosters that Byrne and Stricklin told to 17 off and Cohen let them back in and let them have control. And let me tell you, the baseball boosters are a WEIRD bunch. They openly brag about taking the players and their girlfriends out to get drunk, snapchat with them, text with the girlfriends.....IT'S WEIRD.

Like Dawgology said, without Charlie Winfield(god bless that man) our NIL would be peddling autographed baseballs. Every stupid decision made from 2016 on leads back to one person. John Cohen. If you have to ask yourself why we are in the mess we are in.....John Cohen.

Want to know why we have no LED lights in football and shitty sound system but baseball has both......John Cohen

Want to know why we put lipstick on a pig in basketball, but baseball already has renovation plans for a 6 year old stadium....John Cohen

Want to know why we were 24-36 months behind EVERYONE ELSE with NIL until Charlie put it in overdrive.....John Cohen


And you know who put John Cohen in charge? Those same boosters I am talking about plus a few more who just wanted to be able to call the AD so their box could get some new stuff

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There are a lot of things wrong with our athletics department but the overwhelming #1 thing that holds us back overall as an athletics department is the major boosters and school’s obsession with baseball. The best thing for our school would be for that program to completely shut down so our people would be forced to give a sh*t about the sport that actually pays the bills. The fact that our baseball stadium looks like it does and our football stadium looks like it does is an embarrassment to anyone with a fully functional brain. Bragging about having a major league level baseball park while our football stadium is rotting is embarrassing and other people in our league laugh at how damn stupid we are for doing that. We built a 70 MILLION DOLLAR baseball stadium and can’t even afford to put functional lights and speakers in the football stadium.