Sunday Morning Thoughts-Hello Darkness My Old Friend

[TrapGame]

If Lebby keeps Hutzler as DC he will be fired next year for going two years with zero SEC wins. Not even Croom could do that.

[Todd4State]

On #11, I very seriously doubt that the 25 team will reach 6 or 7 wins. We play the same schedule flipped in 25. 7 from the current top 20 at present. We have more holes to fill than any other team on the continent and not filling them quickly enough. This is basketball from Rick Ray bad and will take more time than yall think. I hope that we can begin to show some life in 26 and at least be consistent in 27.

Really depends on how well we do in the portal. We could be much better or just as bad depending on that and how those players pan out. Hopefully we attack the portal harder than we attack JUCO.

[Todd4State]

If Lebby keeps Hutzler as DC he will be fired next year for going two years with zero SEC wins. Not even Croom could do that.

And I guarantee you that if we do that we will bring in some people with some experience. MSU has to stop making the same mistakes over and over. And yes they will have to overpay to get someone with experience before anyone says it.

[Jacknut]

Lol, save me the drama. I was a student from 85-89 and also managed to live through the Croom Error. Tell me again how our program is dead. I gave Hutzler the benefit of the doubt at first, but if Lebby wants to stay, Hutz gotta go. Still can't believe we brought in a first time coach and doubled down with defensive position guy as DC.

[Coursesuper]

Really depends on how well we do in the portal. We could be much better or just as bad depending on that and how those players pan out. Hopefully we attack the portal harder than we attack JUCO.

You continue to feel like this can change quickly with a portal haul. That is part of how we rebuild but it alone will not fix this mess it is much deeper than one portal class can help. It can help to get this on the right track, but we are without talent literally everywhere and even though this team continues to play hard ( which is a credit to this staff) there are just not enough players and zero depth. Depth is our killer. This will all take time and a foundation has to be built and that will take time.

[EdwardDrayton]

This is not a quick Viagra fix. Settle in fellas; not sure Lebby is the guy but let's give him time to show the wood.

[Coursesuper]

This is not a quick Viagra fix. Settle in fellas; not sure Lebby is the guy but let's give him time to show the wood.

Definitely gonna take time.

[Coach34]

Lebbo is appearing to dig in on Hutzler.

So get ready for him to be DC again next year unless they have a deal for him to move to STC.

We have had our 2 year reshuffle now. 2025 needs to see progress and a vision moving forward.

But when you see Michigan announce they are comitting $50MM per year moving forward- its over. All this shit is done. We cannot compete with big budget college football

[Todd4State]

You continue to feel like this can change quickly with a portal haul. That is part of how we rebuild but it alone will not fix this mess it is much deeper than one portal class can help. It can help to get this on the right track, but we are without talent literally everywhere and even though this team continues to play hard ( which is a credit to this staff) there are just not enough players and zero depth. Depth is our killer. This will all take time and a foundation has to be built and that will take time.

It absolutely could turn around with the right players and a new DC. Will that happen? It remains to be seen. If we do well enough to get to 6-6 then that's fine I'll take it at this point. And then build from there. If Vanderbilt can go from 2-10 to 6-6 in one season there is no reason why we can't. If we get good enough talent we could even go beyond 6-6 and maybe with a little luck.

If we go cheap and bring back Hutzler then no it won't happen. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen or shouldn't.

[Todd4State]

Lebbo is appearing to dig in on Hutzler.

So get ready for him to be DC again next year unless they have a deal for him to move to STC.

We have had our 2 year reshuffle now. 2025 needs to see progress and a vision moving forward.

But when you see Michigan announce they are comitting $50MM per year moving forward- it's over. All this shit is done. We cannot compete with big budget college football

He might as well set his seat on fire after the Egg Bowl if he brings him back then.

Our best hope is that he is either bluffing to look like a good boss or that Selmon and the boosters step in.

Just hard for me to believe that a football coach could stand there on the sideline and think "yeah give him more time" while our defense is an absolute turnstile.

[Coursesuper]

It absolutely could turn around with the right players and a new DC. Will that happen? It remains to be seen. If we do well enough to get to 6-6 then that's fine I'll take it at this point. And then build from there. If Vanderbilt can go from 2-10 to 6-6 in one season there is no reason why we can't. If we get good enough talent we could even go beyond 6-6 and maybe with a little luck.

If we go cheap and bring back Hutzler then no it won't happen. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen or shouldn't.

Like I've stated previously, not many here understand the dumpster fire that is our football program. There are a lot of fingers pointed at who is at fault and most have pointed the finger in the direction of the easy targets and missed the real target. The major blame for us needs to laid at the feet of a few entitled 17ing boosters who felt that they have right to do as they wish. I might have sit back and " ok, go with it, FA and FO mutha 17ers " if I were in the leaderships place. Understand we were below rock bottom when that booster staff was shown the door. Things haven't been this bad in your lifetime. We are at Art Davis, Charlie Shira bad. We needed not only players but a complete culture change basically a complete flush of the system to wash away the putrescence of that booster staff. Couple that with the dumbassery of a the previous AD 's views on NIL and many other things and it's the perfect shit storm at exactly the wrong time. I wish that we could pull out of this with an single portal class I really do. And if by some miracle we could pull a 6-6, my happy ass will be in Birmingham drinking at Good Peoples and dining at Helen before freezing my butt off at the game. I don't know if this staff is the one to turn this around, the team is still playing hard, that's a credit to them. But in my opinion there are miles and miles to go to even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[SPMT]

Like I've stated previously, not many here understand the dumpster fire that is our football program. There are a lot of fingers pointed at who is at fault and most have pointed the finger in the direction of the easy targets and missed the real target. The major blame for us needs to laid at the feet of a few entitled 17ing boosters who felt that they have right to do as they wish. I might have sit back and " ok, go with it, FA and FO mutha 17ers " if I were in the leaderships place. Understand we were below rock bottom when that booster staff was shown the door. Things haven't been this bad in your lifetime. We are at Art Davis, Charlie Shira bad. We needed not only players but a complete culture change basically a complete flush of the system to wash away the putrescence of that booster staff. Couple that with the dumbassery of a the previous AD 's views on NIL and many other things and it's the perfect shit storm at exactly the wrong time. I wish that we could pull out of this with an single portal class I really do. And if by some miracle we could pull a 6-6, my happy ass will be in Birmingham drinking at Good Peoples and dining at Helen before freezing my butt off at the game. I don't know if this staff is the one to turn this around, the team is still playing hard, that's a credit to them. But in my opinion there are miles and miles to go to even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Are these booster from the old guard, like in the 70s+ or younger?

Woh are these rogue boosters ruining our program? Name them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Are these booster from the old guard, like in the 70s+ or younger?

Woh are these rogue boosters ruining our program? Name them.

It is a mix of young and old. A group of Madison Co boosters is one of the problems. They were definitely pushing the Arnett hire. They like going to sit up at Two Brothers and the coaches telling them how cool they are.

[Dawgology]

Lebbo is appearing to dig in on Hutzler.

So get ready for him to be DC again next year unless they have a deal for him to move to STC.

We have had our 2 year reshuffle now. 2025 needs to see progress and a vision moving forward.

But when you see Michigan announce they are comitting $50MM per year moving forward- its over. All this shit is done. We cannot compete with big budget college football

As I posted Saturday, the fat lady has sung. It's over for the foreseeable future. We will be out of the big leagues after realignment. Once we are relegated, we will probably have a decent G5 (or whatever its replacement is) football program. I KNOW that no one wants to hear it and I hate typing it. Even with firing Lebby once he goes winless in the SEC in year two, the SAME people that hired Arnett and Lebby will be making the next hire (surprise, it's not our AD), so it will be more of the same lack of long-term strategy type of hire. I mean, think about this, without Charlie MSU would still be trying to figure out NIL... contemplate that for a bit. That's the people (administration and boosters) that are "leading" this program right now.

[gtowndawg]

It is a mix of young and old. A group of Madison Co boosters is one of the problems. They were definitely pushing the Arnett hire. They like going to sit up at Two Brothers and the coaches telling them how cool they are.

I honestly don't understand the mindset of wanting access and some control over a program that's literally embarrassing. I mean who wants to brag about that?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I honestly don't understand the mindset of wanting access and some control over a program that's literally embarrassing. I mean who wants to brag about that?

Go to the bar at Reunion, CCJ, Annandale, etc and you will see them. Go to Taste, 44 Prime, or Two Brothers when you're in Starkville and you'll see them there too. They love to brag about knowing the players and the coaches and all the "inside info" they have. It's a bunch of baseball boosters that Byrne and Stricklin told to 17 off and Cohen let them back in and let them have control. And let me tell you, the baseball boosters are a WEIRD bunch. They openly brag about taking the players and their girlfriends out to get drunk, snapchat with them, text with the girlfriends.....IT'S WEIRD.

Like Dawgology said, without Charlie Winfield(god bless that man) our NIL would be peddling autographed baseballs. Every stupid decision made from 2016 on leads back to one person. John Cohen. If you have to ask yourself why we are in the mess we are in.....John Cohen.

Want to know why we have no LED lights in football and shitty sound system but baseball has both......John Cohen

Want to know why we put lipstick on a pig in basketball, but baseball already has renovation plans for a 6 year old stadium....John Cohen

Want to know why we were 24-36 months behind EVERYONE ELSE with NIL until Charlie put it in overdrive.....John Cohen


And you know who put John Cohen in charge? Those same boosters I am talking about plus a few more who just wanted to be able to call the AD so their box could get some new stuff

[Goldendawg]

As I posted Saturday, the fat lady has sung. It's over for the foreseeable future. We will be out of the big leagues after realignment. Once we are relegated, we will probably have a decent G5 (or whatever its replacement is) football program. I KNOW that no one wants to hear it and I hate typing it. Even with firing Lebby once he goes winless in the SEC in year two, the SAME people that hired Arnett and Lebby will be making the next hire (surprise, it's not our AD), so it will be more of the same lack of long-term strategy type of hire. I mean, think about this, without Charlie MSU would still be trying to figure out NIL... contemplate that for a bit. That's the people (administration and boosters) that are "leading" this program right now.

This is now two years in a row our "leaders" have signed off on HC who had never held the position who hired a DC who had also never held the position. Also in year two of an "On the Job Training" AD. This is however not new for us for decades. How many times have we hired a successful AD, HC, or coordinators from some level to fill our positions? It's usually Asst AD's, in house promotions, (Templeton, Cohen,etc) Coordinators for HC etc. Then we expect different successful results. I have been going in person as an eight year old in 1963. I am not pulling every BIO since then, but the only successful Asst AD success that comes to mind as AD for us is Byrne, (Stricklin in some ways) and former OC to successful HC are Tyler and Mullen. I think the jury will be in on Libby at the end of year two. BTW, we have now not won a home SEC game in two years. Lots of not so cheap empty seats around me in Section 4 this year and people don't look forward to spending big $ to go to Starkville to see the new lighting system or iisten to the new sound system. They want to see an entertaining product on the field that competes and wins more than it loses. I have seen little to no improvement on the field except WR this year. How do you build a foundation after 2-10 and except anyone to buy season tickets expect hardcore fans? This is the Shira years 2.0 and I never thought I would experience this level of failure and incompetence from the top ton in my lifetime again.

[Coursesuper]

It is a mix of young and old. A group of Madison Co boosters is one of the problems. They were definitely pushing the Arnett hire. They like going to sit up at Two Brothers and the coaches telling them how cool they are.

This is correct. We are poor mans Auburn.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is now two years in a row our "leaders" have signed off on HC who had never held the position who hired a DC who had also never held the position. Also in year two of an "On the Job Training" AD. This is however not new for us for decades. How many times have we hired a successful AD, HC, or coordinators from some level to fill our positions? It's usually Asst AD's, in house promotions, (Templeton, Cohen,etc) Coordinators for HC etc. Then we expect different successful results.

I mean Byrne and Stricklin were both Asst. ADs. Selmon is going to be good. But y'all are going to have to give him more than 22 months, especially in this new environment and how bad our athletic dept was being run under Cohen. He has had to take the athletic dept down to the studs. I don't think some of y'all get how bad it was. We had people in 6 figure salary jobs that didn't know how to do the job were being paid for. Selmon almost quit within a week because of how bad it was. He never wanted Arnett and made that known. He thought Arnett was a bad football coach. He said he had no clue how to run a program, and he was right. And had the boosters gotten their pick of who they wanted our AD would've been Jared Benko who just left Ga Southern, AS THE AD, to go be with Cohen and be an asst AD.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is correct. We are poor mans Auburn.

No we're a lot worse. At least they have uniformity behind Rane and Lowder. We got Adkerson that pays for basically everything, who doesn't say anything about how much he gives and a bunch of boosters under him fighting to tell everyone how much they donate.