Then I'd pass. Take a HS kid that might end up a starterQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
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Then I'd pass. Take a HS kid that might end up a starterQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I'd encourage him to go to juco this season. See how he looks this season & make a decision. I think people want Cole more because he's a legacy than his playing ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I gotcha. I was just wondering with him being a legacy and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Agree and I think we have our starting center of the future with Nick PendleyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Cole was somewhat sold a false bill of goods. He was promised a lil too much up front and was not leveled with. Now he sees the writing on the wall and isn't comfortable. He's as tuff as they come but is a year or 2 away from being ready. I wish him the best of luck wherever he lands.
Ari, any update on another possible commit this weekend?
Why are families so stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by timotheus
Sorry, that's Cole and his family's fault, not the school he signed with.
Part of it is how he was sold during the recruiting process. The fact of the matter is most players don't want to hear "redshirt, work hard, and then maybe you'll start as redshirt junior after playing special teams as a RS freshman and being a back-up as a RS sophomore". Of course with Hevesy he probably barely got any phone calls but that's another ball of wax. Because recruiters do have to show their recruits some attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Recruiting is a selling job and if somewhere like LSU is telling you that they think you will play as a freshman and MSU is saying the above statement a lot of prospects aren't going to choose MSU.
And I think that this is changing for the better at MSU. So, it's not as much of an issue as it was.
Fact is, our last staff didn't think he was good enough for an offer. He got one, yes, but because of pressure and the whole legacy thing. Trust me they didn't want him. And quite frankly the effort proved that. I can't speak for the current staff as far as evaluation. I do know they tried hard, but doesn't mean the liked him. They came in with their hands tied. I would let him go to juco and go from there.
Xavier Hill commits to Bama
We are starting to lose more and more players to them and it's disturbing.
Dang he?s from OB too, we?ve been doing well there lately. Bama only has 3 OL committed and all are 3 stars. I can?t imagine them not being in it with multiple 5 stars so could be a decent chance he doesn?t end up thereQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
No more than usual. All players do not want to play college in their home state. It's their right and can be respected.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Ok.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I didn't see any disrespect. Did you?
No sir you were not disrespectful. I'm only saying there is nothing alarming of a kid choosing Alabama over Mississippi state football.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
They'll get bumped up to four stars soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
Joe and staff are doing a great job so far this cycle
Not sure how you can rate it "great". I think the grade on this class is still very much in the air. It will have to finish strong though to be "great"Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Yeah because every year they win and/or play in more and more championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
But we've been down this road a crap ton of times already. You don't get why they leave and feel no matter what they should show loyalty. The rest of us understand why kids would pick Bama over MSU.
Not sure what's disturbing about kids choosing to play for the best coach at arguably the most prestigious football university of all time.
Well Gun, Lil Nicky must be showing him his rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Damn 7. does somebody piss in your cheerios every morning?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I just don't see how it can be considered great. If you go by avg per recruit, we're 11th in the sec. Our ranking is a mirage at the moment considering we have so many more commits than a bunch of teams below us. IYOK thinks we'll finish strong, so I'm hopeful this class looks much better soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
He would have been one of our highest rated players at this time. He is third from the bottom in rating for bama recruits. This has been a problem for us for many years in trying to close the gap even a little with the blue bloods. BTW, there are 9 - 12 teams that will pass us in recruiting on 24/7 when all in said and done. We will still have to close strong and have some players re-ranked to have a top 25 class.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Hey buddy, most of us on here are smart enough to see exactly what you are talking about! But Lord Have Mercy man, we just got 2-4 stars on our side of the ledger. That's really good news that some of us older Dawgs needed! All of us older guys were hoping that this years baseball team would get the national championship for MSU before we die! I always respect and enjoy your post. I just wish you would bring more positive sunshine to our site. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to msstate7 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's way too early to look at avg recruit ranking. Most of these guys haven't been truly evaluated yet, and their rankings will change many times between now and NSD.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Look at their offers. Most have good offers
We about to get a commitment, be on the look out.
Oh yea?Quote:
Originally Posted by ejdallas322
Don't come in here with your good news and ruin 7's pity party.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejdallas322
For people worried about our stars, I'd like to ask why put so much faith in the rankings at this point? Ya know MS guys are often criticized for being from MS, and are THE LAST to be evaluated in all of the Southeastern U.S.. These sites are hit and miss, and miss just as much as they get it right.
I looked over the offers and this is the break down...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
(I'm operating on the premise all offers are real)
3 4-stars - multiple good offers
4 players with more than 1 sec offers (not counting our offer)
3 players with 1 other sec
11 players with no other sec offers
But, of those 11, you aren't telling the whole story. Of the JUCOs, Patterson is a re-commit from his HS recruitment (so no surprise he hasn't had other offers), Tre Lawson is a P5 transfer (FSU), Dolcine is a P5 transfer (UK), Key and McRae have P5 offers. On the non-JUCO front Rogers, Banks, McMillan, Cooley, and Jackson have P5 offers. So 9 of those no-SEC offers have other P5's after them or came from P5s via JUCO. Sometimes, it's not just about the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe so... I haven't even said this is a bad class. I just said calling it "great" is a stretch. Do you consider this a great class?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I typically don't consider a class "bad", "good" or "great" until we've seen what they produce on the field. There are just too many variables involved in how classes get ranked and how signing what you need vs. signing stars impacts your overall rating. Not to mention the subjectivity of individuals who rank players. Remember the #41 ranked class in 2011 gave us Dak, Slay, McKinney, Robinson, and Preston Smith - when the only 4 star we signed was Dee Arrington.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And that's fair, but right now all we have to base it on is rankings. Calling it great at the moment is just sunshine pumping. Could it turn out great? Hell yeah, but it could also turn out badQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The other things you have to remember are:
1. It's still June. There are tons of kids that are going to move based on consistency from junior to senior year and still haven't been seen yet. Scouts all the time talk about how they go to a game to look at a kid and another kid jumps out. Then all of sudden that kid gets their first camp invite during summer and get a chance to show out.
2. It's pretty common for kids (MS kids in particular) who commit very early to not get moved much until late camps in late fall and winter. A kid like Rogers is a great example. Lot of folks like him a lot. He's been re-evaluated twice in the last week on 24/7 and has moved from the #782 overall prospect to the #642 prospect. And that will continue to go up. But he's coming to MSU and he's probably not gonna get a lot of other offers. He may not go to more camps. So he may be scored lower because of that.
There's a lot of evaluation left to go on. Some of our kids may get to play in bigger games as seniors against better competition and may show out and get a ratings bump. There's a lot of evaluation left to be done. So I wouldn't really start judging this class until late September. First half of senior football is over and we should have a better idea of how guys have changed from last year and from summer camps.
You can't have it both ways there 7. If all we have to go by right now is our ranking - which is #14 composite (#11 if just 247), then this is a great class. Yeah, everything will change between now and February and it will wind up in the 20s - but in the right now our rankings say it is pretty dang good. The flip side is if we were in the 30s or 40s right now with 20 commits, people would be burning the place down.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This. JoMo is doing this correctly for now. We will see how it shakes out in 6 monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Recruiting will always be fluid because you’re dealing with the most unpredictable beast of all: the human teenager.
I know next to nothing about recruiting, but I fully expect us to add and lose as we go. That’s how it always works. The class we have now may not be the class we sign.
Ok, I'll abandon all common sense and I'll say this is the 14th best class in the country. Funny how last year when OM had a top 10 class this time of the year bc of sheer numbers we were smart enough to realize it wasn't real. This year though...Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Does that mean you agree with me? HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Our current ranking should actually be better than it is bc ducking isn't rated. It will probably hurt our avg per recruit though