The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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Originally Posted by dawgs

You think big investors are calmed by trump saying the economy will be "raring to go by Easter"? They aren't idiots.

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I said calm the masses. I realize you keep reading it "calm the markets" because you've typed it several times now. So, no I don't think that. I said masses - I'll let you look up what that means. But it's not "big investors".

Look - Trump hasn't been great in this. But he hasn't been some horrible bumbling idiot either. As stated by many others, it's in the middle. You know who else hasn't done great? Congress (both parties), Governors (both parties), Mayors (both parties), most countries, and plenty others I'm not going to name. The entire world has been smoked by this thing and has been caught flat-footed for the most part. Let's come out the other side and deal in facts and then make our judgments at the ballot box. Crazy idea huh?

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

I said calm the masses. I realize you keep reading it "calm the markets" because you've typed it several times now. So, no I don't think that. I said masses - I'll let you look up what that means. But it's not "big investors".

Look - Trump hasn't been great in this. But he hasn't been some horrible bumbling idiot either. As stated by many others, it's in the middle. You know who else hasn't done great? Congress (both parties), Governors (both parties), Mayors (both parties), most countries, and plenty others I'm not going to name. The entire world has been smoked by this thing and has been caught flat-footed for the most part. Let's come out the other side and deal in facts and then make our judgments at the ballot box. Crazy idea huh?

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Solid post. I'm already having people email me resumes cause they've lost their jobs and are frightened with the uncertaintity of all this. I don't believe there's anyone in this country who hasn't been affected by this in some way, whether it's physical health, job, financially, etc. It's scary times but I'm also seeing people pull together and help each other.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Guess what... I hope it's open by Easter too. Lots of my family and friends are headed for hard times. Am I willing to "throw the weak and old to the wolves"? No, but if the economy is down too long, we throwing a crap load of the old, young, and in between to the wolves. Not everyone has a government job.

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Everyone's financial future is thrown to the wolves regardless of if we prematurely open businesses back up or not. It ****ing sucks and why the government needs to take strong decisive action to protect people. Your friend that runs a restaurant or a boutique clothing store or whatever, opening it up for Easter ain't saving their business cause people aren't going to be venturing out to these businesses with covid-19 still a threat. Anyone that still views this through the lens of "fixing" the economic fallout without fixing covid-19 first is refusing to accept reality.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...3cc48da33cc8e0

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

I said calm the masses. I realize you keep reading it "calm the markets" because you've typed it several times now. So, no I don't think that. I said masses - I'll let you look up what that means. But it's not "big investors".

Look - Trump hasn't been great in this. But he hasn't been some horrible bumbling idiot either. As stated by many others, it's in the middle. You know who else hasn't done great? Congress (both parties), Governors (both parties), Mayors (both parties), most countries, and plenty others I'm not going to name. The entire world has been smoked by this thing and has been caught flat-footed for the most part. Let's come out the other side and deal in facts and then make our judgments at the ballot box. Crazy idea huh?

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He literally had to issue statements contradicting the shit he said in the most important address by a US president since 9/11. How hard is it to know what the European travel ban entailed even if he didn't wanna read a teleprompter? Step back and imagine if this was any liberal president you didn't vote for and in a similar situation they bungled that address that badly and ask yourself if you'd really grant them the patience and forgiveness you are asking for trump.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Everyone's financial future is thrown to the wolves regardless of if we prematurely open businesses back up or not. It ****ing sucks and why the government needs to take strong decisive action to protect people. Your friend that runs a restaurant or a boutique clothing store or whatever, opening it up for Easter ain't saving their business cause people aren't going to be venturing out to these businesses with covid-19 still a threat. Anyone that still views this through the lens of "fixing" the economic fallout without fixing covid-19 first is refusing to accept reality.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...3cc48da33cc8e0

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If no one is going out at Easter anyway then, what you mad about?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Guess what... I hope it's open by Easter too. Lots of my family and friends are headed for hard times. Am I willing to "throw the weak and old to the wolves"? No, but if the economy is down too long, we throwing a crap load of the old, young, and in between to the wolves. Not everyone has a government job.

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Agree with you on this. It is getting real in a hurry on money flow. I have essential projects in TX, so luckily making it and have about 20 employees depending on me to make sure they make it also. For anyone with time right now to get political I really could just smack their head. Money comes from those that produce, creating tax money for the government. They need really quick to realize giving a break right now on payroll and payroll taxes for a short term survival is better than getting zero for a few years. And stop screwing around with all the other agenda.
I have friends running companies that are about to make some difficult decisions over the next several days. And those decisions take a toll personally on a business owner that cares about employees as well.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If no one is going out at Easter anyway then, what you mad about?

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Some will. It won't be the numbers usually out because there's always some idiots. Unfortunately, only takes a few idiots to lock down a city or state again. Is it worth chasing 20-50% of your business in order to screw everything up even longer when it's already screwed anyway?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Agree with you on this. It is getting real in a hurry on money flow. I am have essential projects in TX, so luckily making it and have about 20 employees depending on me to make sure they make it also. For anyone with time right now to get political I really could just smack their head. Money comes from those that produce, creating tax money for the government. They need really quick to realize giving a break right now on payroll and payroll taxes for a short term survival is better than getting zero for a few years. And stop screwing around with all the other agenda.
I have friends running companies that are about to make some difficult decisions over the next several days. And those decisions take a toll personally on a business owner that cares about employees as well.

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It's not political dude. It's logic. Business re-opening like "normal" before we should will simply be a wounded animal limping along waiting time die. I know it ****ing sucks. It sucks for everyone. I know lots of folks already laid off and a lot that expect to be within a week or 2. The point is that most people will be laid off longer and businesses that are open will be operating well below their normal earnings. Trying to force the economy to work like normal prior to getting the coronavirus under control just doesn't logistically work. I know you'll say paying bills without work doesn't logistically work. I agree, and if we don't act fast to get covid-19 under control then you'll be struggling to pay bills for a lot longer doing a fraction of the work you used to get, maybe not even enough work to justify the overhead.

Hey Mods,
If someone makes a completely false political statement like a false quote or something that is debunked by hard core facts, can we give them a 14 day quarantine?

Geez people. Let?s start dealing in facts and stop jumping the gun on wild hypotheticals. You work the problem. You don?t let the problem work you or make it worse by creating new problems that don?t exist. Some of you never need to be in crisis management situations.

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Originally Posted by Pinto

Hey Mods,
If someone makes a completely false political statement like a false quote or something that is debunked by hard core facts, can we give them a 14 day quarantine?

Geez people. Let?s start dealing in facts and stop jumping the gun on wild hypotheticals. You work the problem. You don?t let the problem work you or make it worse by creating new problems that don?t exist. Some of you never need to be in crisis management situations.

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lol good lord the melts over a statement I made regarding the real consequence of what the president wants to do is really something

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Originally Posted by dawgs

It's not political dude. It's logic. Business re-opening like "normal" before we should will simply be a wounded animal limping along waiting time die. I know it ****ing sucks. It sucks for everyone. I know lots of folks already laid off and a lot that expect to be within a week or 2. The point is that most people will be laid off longer and businesses that are open will be operating well below their normal earnings. Trying to force the economy to work like normal prior to getting the coronavirus under control just doesn't logistically work. I know you'll say paying bills without work doesn't logistically work. I agree, and if we don't act fast to get covid-19 under control then you'll be struggling to pay bills for a lot longer doing a fraction of the work you used to get, maybe not even enough work to justify the overhead.

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My post had nothing to do with that exactly and what you posted was not my intent or point.
It is the national BS going on, and the rush to blame instead of shut up and work together, and after we get past it then get back to the games.
I actually get the distancing and the purpose. Small to medium companies will layoff, or go under, so the stimulus of helping on payroll and skip payroll taxes is a great idea for those I know. Businesses have no obligation to keep employees or keep paying them. So there does need to be discussion of balance and common sense as well.
I know a company that laid off 10 on Friday because they are not allowed to work in some plants. The reasoning is all understood. The concern is for how long. Another company is deciding this week on layoffs. The guy bought a company a couple years ago with his savings and the money from a family member. His business requires going to plants, which are closed. So he is having to make tough decisions right now how to stay afloat. He just applied for a FEMA loan (3.5% ) and puts up collateral for it, in order to keep his company together and not risk losing all he has invested.
I will run through this fine, but many are about to make tough decisions.

Ignore the leftist bias and small jabs at the right in this twitter thread. Man makes solid points about why reopening America is bad in our current fashion. If we can make testing / suppressing techniques be strong enough to handle this then we can talk about the business as usual approach.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...812024838?s=21

We definitely are in a pick your poison situation. But we need to be careful not to drink both.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

Ignore the leftist bias and small jabs at the right in this twitter thread. Man makes solid points about why reopening America is bad in our current fashion. If we can make testing / suppressing techniques be strong enough to handle this then we can talk about the business as usual approach.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...812024838?s=21

We definitely are in a pick your poison situation. But we need to be careful not to drink both.

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Thank you. Only thing I'll say is that we have to drink 1 poison, it's whether we wanna drink the 2nd poison too.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

lol good lord the melts over a statement I made regarding the real consequence of what the president wants to do is really something

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I only see one posted melting right now.......

Well, at least we know Dr. Fauci was not banished into exile.

Words of the day: Cognitive Dissonance.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

My post had nothing to do with that exactly and what you posted was not my intent or point.
It is the national BS going on, and the rush to blame instead of shut up and work together, and after we get past it then get back to the games.
I actually get the distancing and the purpose. Small to medium companies will layoff, or go under, so the stimulus of helping on payroll and skip payroll taxes is a great idea for those I know. Businesses have no obligation to keep employees or keep paying them. So there does need to be discussion of balance and common sense as well.
I know a company that laid off 10 on Friday because they are not allowed to work in some plants. The reasoning is all understood. The concern is for how long. Another company is deciding this week on layoffs. The guy bought a company a couple years ago with his savings and the money from a family member. His business requires going to plants, which are closed. So he is having to make tough decisions right now how to stay afloat. He just applied for a FEMA loan (3.5% ) and puts up collateral for it, in order to keep his company together and not risk losing all he has invested.
I will run through this fine, but many are about to make tough decisions.

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Well said!

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Originally Posted by Santiago

My post had nothing to do with that exactly and what you posted was not my intent or point.
It is the national BS going on, and the rush to blame instead of shut up and work together, and after we get past it then get back to the games.
I actually get the distancing and the purpose. Small to medium companies will layoff, or go under, so the stimulus of helping on payroll and skip payroll taxes is a great idea for those I know. Businesses have no obligation to keep employees or keep paying them. So there does need to be discussion of balance and common sense as well.
I know a company that laid off 10 on Friday because they are not allowed to work in some plants. The reasoning is all understood. The concern is for how long. Another company is deciding this week on layoffs. The guy bought a company a couple years ago with his savings and the money from a family member. His business requires going to plants, which are closed. So he is having to make tough decisions right now how to stay afloat. He just applied for a FEMA loan (3.5% ) and puts up collateral for it, in order to keep his company together and not risk losing all he has invested.
I will run through this fine, but many are about to make tough decisions.

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I agree, I just don't think rushing back is helping anyone for reasons stated, and so when folks are moaning that we gotta get the economy churning, I'm gonna speak up and point out there is no economic recovery while this is going on. So we either figure out how to pause for a month or 2 and then kickstart things when we have gotten shit stabilized or we drag this economic death out for 18 months waiting for a vaccine.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

lol good lord the melts over a statement I made regarding the real consequence of what the president wants to do is really something

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Funny how quickly you knew who he was referring to. Lol. Says a lot.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I feel like Trump is banking on those meds working to control the Coronavirus. I hope he's right.

Would make sense given the encouraging results so far of the meds working.

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That?s the feeling I got from it also. I think there is evidence that response has been favorable. I hope and pray it is for all of us and I don?t give a shit who you align with politically. I have had optimism during this because I trust and pray the very best in medicine are working their ass off to find the answer

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

That?s the feeling I got from it also. I think there is evidence that response has been favorable. I hope and pray it is for all of us and I don?t give a shit who you align with politically. I have had optimism during this because I trust and pray the very best in medicine are working their ass off to find the answer

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By you I meant everyone in this thread not just you Todd

It's a really scary thought that the joke about American politics that Republicans argue the dollar bill is more important than American lives is close to coming true.

If they were seriously concerned about the average Americans well-being, then a more expansive basic income package would be fleshed our to take care of them. "Protecting the economy" is rooted in the idea of protecting the elite's pockets rather than the average American's pockets. It's kind of sickening to see that we could be close to having "the masses" pitted against the "old and sick" to protect the rich's pockets in lieu of a better alternative that could supplant both the masses and the old/sick in a better fashion (but hurt the rich elite. And, no, you Mr. elite dawg reader are not part of that club. I'm talking about the 0.1% and the 0.01%. The 10 figures people. I highly doubt we have billionaires here.)

Friendly reminder that Jeff Bezos refuses paid sick leave for his workers. Senators asked him to stop because they can't make a law to tell him to stop.

The drug Trump's been talking about, Chloroquine, was also used in China. It's in the Handbook of COVID-19 Prevention and Treatment, which was written by Chinese doctors.

They still lost a lot of people (4% fatality rate) and have hundreds more still on ventilators. I would hope he isn't betting on that.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

It's a really scary thought that the joke about American politics that Republicans argue the dollar bill is more important than American lives is close to coming true.

If they were seriously concerned about the average Americans well-being, then a more expansive basic income package would be fleshed our to take care of them. "Protecting the economy" is rooted in the idea of protecting the elite's pockets rather than the average American's pockets. It's kind of sickening to see that we could be close to having "the masses" pitted against the "old and sick" to protect the rich's pockets in lieu of a better alternative that could supplant both the masses and the old/sick in a better fashion (but hurt the rich elite. And, no, you Mr. elite dawg reader are not part of that club. I'm talking about the 0.1% and the 0.01%. The 10 figures people. I highly doubt we have billionaires here.)

Friendly reminder that Jeff Bezos refuses paid sick leave for his workers. Senators asked him to stop because they can't make a law to tell him to stop.

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Can you explain to me how funding the Kennedy Center and giving the House a raise is in the best interests of American lives while you're at it?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Can you explain to me how funding the Kennedy Center and giving the House a raise is in the best interests of American lives while you're at it?

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I know the optics of the "Kennedy Center" stipulation are terrible, but the Republicans also have their own pet projects injected in this bill. Politicians, R's and D's, are hardwired to push as much pork into bills (any and every bill, at any time, regardless of urgency) as possible, and it's definitely frustrating. I think most of us would agree on that.

That being said, McConnell is mentioning things like the "Kennedy Center" as being the primary holdups in this negotiation, but they're not, lol. But he just knows that will trigger people, and put pressure on the D's to agree to his terms. To put it more simply: that's politics.

Leftist bias?
My bad. It will all be good by Easter, anyway so who cares?

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

Leftist bias?
My bad. It will all be good by Easter, anyway so who cares?

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Trump said he "hopes" it's better by Easter. Do you not share that same hope?

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I know the optics of the "Kennedy Center" stipulation are terrible, but the Republicans also have their own pet projects injected in this bill. Politicians, R's and D's, are hardwired to push as mu ch pork into bills (any and every bill, at any time, regardless of urgency) as possible, and it's definitely frustrating. I think most of us would agree on that.

That being said, McConnell is mentioning things like the "Kennedy Center" as being the primary holdups in this negotiation, but they're not, lol. But he just knows that will trigger people, and put pressure on the D's to agree to his terms. To put it more simply: that's politics.

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That's what I'm saying. Both sides are being shitty.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Can you explain to me how funding the Kennedy Center and giving the House a raise is in the best interests of American lives while you're at it?

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Don't think my comment was an endorsement of Democrats lmfao.Part of the problem with American politics is as Beardo mentioned, injecting random ass shit into everything to make bills cover the most random pet projects ever. Both sides have their own issues. This ain't a zero sum game. Both democrats and republicans overall are negative parties for the common man. Closest thing to positive the American man had this cycle was Bernie and Yang. Thankfully their policies are at least injecting discussion among the American people.

But yea, Beardo pretty much hit the nail on the head with his response to you. And you can flip democrat/republican there at will. They both are horrible about all sides of that. (Injecting bs, triggering the masses, stoking the fire.)

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's what I'm saying. Both sides are being shitty.

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No arguments here. They just can't help themselves. A national emergency becomes an opportunity, in their eyes.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

No arguments here. They just can't help themselves. A national emergency becomes an opportunity, in their eyes.

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Unfortunately this is true. Folks out here are pitching in and trying to help each other and get through this it's time for our politicians to do the same. I hear more and more stories everyday of people sacrificing and reaching out to do whatever they can to help others and it's time for our politicians to stop being Republicans and Democrats and start being human beings and Americans. Both sides have not handled this well. Put the partisan bs aside!

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

Leftist bias?
My bad. It will all be good by Easter, anyway so who cares?

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What a post... good Lord. Who said it would be better? He said hoped. But glad your people put out such a good bill from the house. Carry on

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Unfortunately this is true. Folks out here are pitching in and trying to help each other and get through this it's time for our politicians to do the same. I hear more and more stories everyday of people sacrificing and reaching out to do whatever they can to help others and it's time for our politicians to stop being Republicans and Democrats and start being human beings and Americans. Both sides have not handled this well. Put the partisan bs aside!

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Well said

Suggesting that people will be able to go back outside the day after we finally got people off the beaches is not what the country needed. Making statements like that will severely impact individuals decisions and they will all go out and be less cautious because he's downplaying the importance of social distancing in favor of business. As a result the virus will peak even worse than is already expected to and hospital supplies, that were already running out of, will be gone even faster now. We have to slow the rush to be able to manage this and anyone, President or otherwise, that does anything to contradict that goal right now is simply not a good American.

This isn't about left/right. It's about properly educating people about the steps they should be taking and offering consistent guidance. That's not being done and that is a colossal failure of leadership during the biggest domestic crisis potentially in the history of this nation.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Suggesting that people will be able to go back outside the day after we finally got people off the beaches is not what the country needed. Making statements like that will severely impact individuals decisions and they will all go out and be less cautious because he's downplaying the importance of social distancing in favor of business. As a result the virus will peak even worse than is already expected to and hospital supplies, that were already running out of, will be gone even faster now. We have to slow the rush to be able to manage this and anyone, President or otherwise, that does anything to contradict that goal right now is simply not a good American.

This isn't about left/right. It's about properly educating people about the steps they should be taking and offering consistent guidance. That's not being done and that is a colossal failure of leadership during the biggest domestic crisis potentially in the history of this nation.

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Yeah. The ones who stayed on the beach 8 days ago were listening so now they will even more? Give me a break... some arent going to listen. It's obvious. States that have "lockdowns" have people not listening. The only way to "stop" this is a full lockdown. Nobody goes in or out. That's not possible. Italy is living proof. A lockdown isn't working there. I'm not arguing that social distancing won't or isn't helping, but it's not going to stop it. This is going to run its course wo meds.

While I have been extremely critical of the leadership at the very top, the governors thankfully, have filled the void. Governors like Cuomo (D) and DeWine (R) as well as others, are doing outstanding jobs. Very impressive.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yeah. The ones who stayed on the beach 8 days ago were listening so now they will even more? Give me a break... some arent going to listen. It's obvious. States that have "lockdowns" have people not listening. The only way to "stop" this is a full lockdown. Nobody goes in or out. That's not possible. Italy is living proof. A lockdown isn't working there. I'm not arguing that social distancing won't or isn't helping, but it's not going to stop it. This is going to run its course wo meds.

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We have to flatten the curve to help the medical community. We are going to be well past capacity by mid April and hospital systems will begin to fail. That blow is coming. We have to soften it as much as possible. If people don't understand that and can't contribute to that, they're a poor American.

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

While I have been extremely critical of the leadership at the very top, the governors thankfully, have filled the void. Governors like Cuomo (D) and DeWine (R) as well as others, are doing outstanding jobs. Very impressive.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yeah. The ones who stayed on the beach 8 days ago were listening so now they will even more? Give me a break... some arent going to listen. It's obvious. States that have "lockdowns" have people not listening. The only way to "stop" this is a full lockdown. Nobody goes in or out. That's not possible. Italy is living proof. A lockdown isn't working there. I'm not arguing that social distancing won't or isn't helping, but it's not going to stop it. This is going to run its course wo meds.

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I believe new infections are starting to fall in Italy in the last couple days, which would be right on queue from the start of the lockdowns (approx 12 days). We’ll have to keep our fingers crossed that this continues.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yeah. The ones who stayed on the beach 8 days ago were listening so now they will even more? Give me a break... some arent going to listen. It's obvious. States that have "lockdowns" have people not listening. The only way to "stop" this is a full lockdown. Nobody goes in or out. That's not possible. Italy is living proof. A lockdown isn't working there. I'm not arguing that social distancing won't or isn't helping, but it's not going to stop it. This is going to run its course wo meds.

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The ONLY way to do a lockdown is to get both the police and National Guard involved.

Honestly, if I was President that's EXACTLY what I would have done.

Also if I was President Ole Miss would be burned to the ground and Hugh Freeze deported as a heretic.**