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Tennessee seems on a mission. Would love to see it fail. But they are succeeding. Got the Clemson and NC State Freshman All Americans. Got a SoCon POY. The Witchita Gem. And still busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Peaking into other SEC schools, UT is basically drinking everybody's milkshake
Tenn and LSU lost alot of talent too thoQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
They did. I'm just talking about the Portal class rankingQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Is it just me but watching Montgomery mom going off on Kendall Rogers kinda funny?
Not just you. It's entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
He brought that on himself though.
What's the skinny?
Pretty much that D1 baseball has been slobbing all over LSU nuts when they get a portal player and now that it looks like State has Montgomery, it’s all of a sudden a problem because of he is leaving Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
She pretty much said in a nutshell if he would be going to LSU it wouldn’t be a problem, but because he is going home, it’s a problem…
Oh...well that is something.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNDawg35
Thanks for laying it out, btw.
He's getting what he deserved. Comes down to he's a pleaser and he said something stupid to PAC 12 homer Mike Rooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I sure hope we are setting ourselves up for heartbreak over these guys. Lemonis IS still our coach after all. This ain?t Missouri, but he will still have to Show Me he can pull these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNDawg35
Mom is throwing it out there tonight. She is way smarter than me cause she is a doctor which makes this more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
She is saying the the west coast isnt committed to baseball like the SEC. There are many reasons on why he is transferring.
It isn't. USC was maybe the most dominant baseball program of all time in the 1970's and has produced I think more MLB players than any other school. They simply don't draw and a lot of it is because they have to compete with the Dodgers and Angels more than anything. Stanford has to compete with the Giants and A's. The PAC 12 is good because they have a lot of baseball talent out west but they simply don't have the fan support that the SEC does. Oregon and Oregon State draw the best if I had to guess- Oregon is more of a similar baseball environment to Mississippi and Louisiana. Even then they don't compare to the SEC although I wouldn't be surprised if they outdraw Mizzou.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
The portal has really hurt the PAC 12 because a lot of their better upperclass players are doing what Montgomery is doing- play a couple of years "near home" and then transfer to a SEC school.
Tennessee also lost a top 5 draft pick in Burns .. possibly number 1 overallQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
That's fair- I didn't think of viewing a Portal class in a "net" way where you take into account who you lostQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
That's absolutely how it should be viewed. If we lost DJ and only got Montgomery, it would be pretty well neutral (debatable I know)Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
My sure Montgomery is self motivated, but playing at "home" in front of huge crowd will only enhance his motivation. Also it should motivate a lot of our players and make our lineup much better as well as put as back in the pack of being dangerous.
Now pitching is still a question mark although better with Parker as PC.
It seems like the confidence of getting Montgomery is at a 9 out of 10 right now. If he doesn?t commit to State, it?s going to be a meltdown. Some people already suggest that he has already committed.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I agree. Regardless I'm gonna pull for our program next spring. We need help and Montgomery would be a huge help.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
It seems safe to say that Holman is target no. 1 for us. He is at Tenn Monday, lsu Tuesday, and State Wednesday. Someone told me that he is leaning pretty hard to lsu but the source of the info is fairly average on accuracy. At the same time though, lsu has a lot more to show a recruit right now and Lemonis isn’t in a good position to be going against Vitello and Johnson for a pitcher right now.
I’ve seen it mentioned that the kid from TT will probably end up at Ark. Are there any other staff ace types that we are in the game for? We really need a proven Friday type.
Haven?t heard that at all. Holman has visited State once and he is visiting State again on his last visit. That says a lot .Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
If, and I say if because they aren't officially in the boat yet, we get both Holman and Montgomery, you have to start feeling pretty good about next year. I think Parker can vastly improve Loo, Loftin, and Holcombe.
Seems to be some back and forth on the visit schedule. We'll see who gets last visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
Just heard that. It seems to be LSU nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Might as well cross him offQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
If we don't get another ace, Parker will have to work a miracle in the off-season
It?s not looking good for us at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
You could argue that Holman is more important than MontgomeryQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Is it just money at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
In the article that I read, he was talking about player development. I?d say Coach is right, not looking good for us. Right now, it?s looking like we are going to have to hope Parker can work miracles and really turn the current staff around and hope a couple of new guys perform better than expected.
Lemonis capitalized on the national title when it comes to classes that were 3 and 4 years out (if they stick with us), but failed miserably using the portal to bridge the gap. Now he has not only lost any momentum from us living in Omaha for a few years and winning a title, but has put us in a place of serious disadvantage.
Doesn’t sound like it. These guys are high draft types that aren’t short sighted. They want to be coached by coaches that are competent and that can help them progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
If Parker can work miracles and turn our staff around and turn Loo and others into top draft choices, then we can get recruit’s attention when it comes to development. Until then, we are sucking hind tit in that department.
Absolutely BS there was ever a "bridge" needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Cohen obviously knew how to recruit and left the program in great shape.
Cann came in , held the Cohen class together, and recruited 1 class of his own. He was billed as an elite recruiter and evaluator. Brought in some absolute STUDS.
Henderson took over for 4 months, after which all recruiting was handed to Lemonis. But sure, let's call it an entire year lost to recruitment for the sale of argument
Lemo was handed a well oiled machine by Cohen and Cann, and used it well for the first 3 seasons. Year 4 -when Lemos own HS recruits started rolling in- is when things fell off a cliff in talent and culture.
This is YEAR 5, and we want to say the team is in a bad spot due to the HS recruiting of the former coaches? Naw, that ain't going to fly
Has lsu hired a pitching coach? Yeskie?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
They hired Yeski from A&M. A&M hired a giy from the mariners with a title like "pitching development coordinator". Not a coach, but in charge of evaluating, drafting, and development for the organization. Only 28Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Our problem is simply lack of pitching. We are working hard to trot out the SEC’s best line-up in 2024. Our huge questions lie in the pitching department.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Ultimately the blame is on Lemon. No doubt. I think he messed up and left a lot of the pitching recruiting to Fox and Cheese. Didn’t focus on it as much as he should have. Our last 2 years on the mound have just been abysmal. His last chance to right the ship is now thru May. We’ll see what happens
Well this thread definitely took a turn...of the depressing variety...
Well, while we are certainly a baseball blue blood- some people need to realize no matter who our coach is- if certain teams want certain players- we are going to lose most of those battles. The rest of the SEC prioritizing baseball also is simply making it harder for us than it used to be. Our best teams have always had a few stars with a bunch of blue-collars. I don’t see us having the crazy amounts of draft picks like LSU, Vandy, or Tenn having. LSU had 13 drafted, Tenn 8, Vandy 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
No matter who coaches us- we aren’t going to have draft classes of 8-10 players
If memory serves me, these past 2 years we've been 10th and 9th in runs scored. Of course everyone knows our defense was league worst last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How can you say we "just need pitching" when faced with these stats? Like yeah the lineup is looking good for '24 (and awful for 25) but Lemo still gets the blame for these past 2 lineups.
We won the CWS being 8th or 9th in the SEC in runs scored. Our problem has been pitching and everybody knows it
Had we not pissed away that '21 championship by sitting on our lazy asses and we'd been competing, we could get anyone. We can handle the money rush. It's not just the money. Holman has a massive offer from us. But he seems to like Yeskie and LSU is winning. I'd say let's wait and see. It's not over. It's just a battle for the only legit arm available.