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Last night with a flyball pitcher fredi plays our worst outfielder (Gomes). Today with a sinkerball pitcher, fredi starts our worst infielder (Chris Johnson). I just don't get it...
5:47 PM
@CarlosACollazo
Fredi didn't give specifics, but did say there have been internal conversations of bringing up a SP prospect to help in the bullpen. #Braves
would probably be Buenalos, since he's on a tight innings limit this year. might as well pitch out of the pen in Atlanta rather than Gwinnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
they probably planned on moving Perez to long relief and calling up Wisler. but Perez is pitching too well to do that now i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I wouldn't mind this move, but I'd try to hold off a week or so. Hopefully cunniff keeps pitching well and aardsma can be effective. I would love to get by without prospects till mckirahan and vizcaino return.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Some other options for bullpen...
Moylan (AAA) -- 0.00 era
Eveland (AAA) -- 1.44 era
Ryan Kelly (AAA) -- 0.00 era
David carpenter (AAA) -- 0.73 era
Carlos fisher (AAA) -- 1.50 era
Ryan weber (AAA) -- 1.86 era
Does the international league have any hitters or are these guys that good?
Banuelos -- 2.11 era
Wisler -- 3.52 era
Williams Perez -- 2.78 era in Atlanta
Perez isn't going anywhere if he keeps this up
9:32 AM
@Braves
Roster move: #Braves purchase the contract of LHP Dana Eveland (@DanaEveland) from @GwinnettBraves & designate Trevor Cahill for assignment
Glad we traded for Cahill.*****Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Didn't work out, but we've won many more trades than we lostQuote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
The problem is that it was a completely needless trade. We had plenty of 5th starter options available without a guy who's proven garbage. There was literally no reason to trade for any bottom of the rotation starter. Granted, we didn't really give up much of anything for him, but if we're supposed to be all-in on the youth movement, keep the marginal prospects.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm sure hart was hoping Cahill would turn it around and flip emQuote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Chris O'Dowd PED suspension is looming large. Bethancourt sucks ass, but we're probably stuck with him since there's no viable replacement in the system. His ass should be in Gwinnett tomorrow. He just blew the lead with his "great" D in the 8th. Passed ball and catcher's interference cost us 2 runs. Say what you will about our bullpen, but they should've gotten out of the inning at 4-2, 4-3 at worst.
Yeah he was terrible. I hate that fredi waited till bases were loaded before bringing in eveland?!... You know the guy we just brought up today. Perfect time to break a guy in with bases loaded with 0 outs* Then fredi proceeded to burn 4 more bullpen arms over the next 4 batters. So cunniff gets stuck at the end going multiple innings on what was supposed to be his off day.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Bethancourt did make 2 dumb, dumb moves though
Will Nieves is in AAA hitting around .260
I can see I'm getting whiny, so I'm taking a break from the Atlanta Braves tomorrow. Bought be some miss Braves' tickets so I'm headed to pearl. Hopefully a break will calm me down soon. All roster moves are up to you guys till sat
leaving the new lefty in against JUpton was amazingly dumb. if you don't want to burn your lefty there, don't bring him in! MUCH better off with a RH option against the podunk LH hitter than generic LH vs. JUpton. geez, way to not think ONE move ahead Fredi. the other manager was probably giggling the whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Managing the current Braves? bullpen seems to equate to attempting to consistently win Blacjack hands that consist of nothing but 7s and 8s. You might occasionally prove fortunate when holding at 16. But far too often, you?ll find yourself gambling on whether to hit on 14 or 15.
With this being said Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez has recently made some late-inning decisions that have simply enhanced the difficulty of managing this weak bullpen. The degree of difficulty has been enhance by some sub-par outings from starting pitchers. But the Braves also managed to lose Julio Teheran?s two most recent starts, arguably his two most impressive of the season.
We won?t delve into the decision to bring Donnie Veal into a Major League game, let alone a high-leverage situation, because the Braves ended up winning after he squandered a lead in San Francisco on May 31. But here?s look at some other recent late-inning decisions.
June 2: Instead of allowing Shelby Miller a chance to record the fifth inning?s final two outs with his pitch count at 100, Gonzalez called upon Cody Martin, who promptly retired the only two batters he faced. Then after the Braves produced a five-run sixth to claim a 6-4 lead, Gonzalez pinch hit for Martin with runners at second and third and two outs.
It?s understandable that you want to take advantage of the scoring opportunity and you don?t necessarily have a lot of faith in Martin, who had just been recalled from Gwinnett the previous day. But when working with a thin bullpen, do you really want to begin thinning it even further in the sixth inning?
Maybe Martin would have created the same damage that was incurred by Nick Masset and Brandon Cunniff, who combined to allow three runs before the conclusion of the seventh inning of that night?s loss. But given what exists in Atlanta?s pen, I?m not sure it is wise to begin eliminating options in the sixth inning.
June 3: Having already seen their four-run, fourth-inning lead shrink to two runs, the Braves removed Mike Foltynewicz with two outs in the sixth and then watched southpaw Luis Avilan retire left-handed hitter Ender Inciarte to end the inning. Left-handers have slashed .318/.348/.386 and right-handers have slashed .152/.235/.283 against Avilan.
But despite the fact that Avilan?s spot didn?t come up in the top of the seventh, he did not go back to the mound in the bottom half of the inning, when Arizona was due to send three right-handed sluggers ? A.J. Pollock, Paul Goldschmidt and Yasmany Tomas ? to the plate. Instead, Martin drew the assignment and promptly allowed two hits before handing the ball to Jim Johnson, who extended his recent woes in that day?s loss.
June 5 After Williams Perez lasted just five innings against the Pirates, Cunniff retired the first two batters he faced in the sixth and then handed the ball to Avilan because well you know despite what the stats say, you have to create lefty-on-lefty matchups. After once again thinning his bullpen in the sixth inning of a tied game, the Braves then watched Avilan walk left-handed hitter Gregory Polanco before allowing Starling Marte?s two-run homer.
Left-handed hitters have slashed .357/.419/.500 against Cunniff. But with two outs and none on in the sixth, it might have been wise to at least give him a chance to retire Polanco. If for no other reason, this might have allowed the Braves to avoid a two-inning appearance from Trevor Cahill, who allowed five hits and three runs in the eighth inning of that 10-8 loss to Pittsburgh.
June 6 and 11 Julio Teheran?s past two starts have been more impressive than any others he has completed this season. Yet, he has two no-decisions to show for his effort because of his inability to get through the eighth inning in a clean manner. Teheran allowed two straight one-out singles in the eighth inning of Saturday?s win over the Pirates and then watched Jim Johnson allow the two runners he inherited to score on a game-tying, two-run single.
Then on Thursday, Teheran limited the Padres to one run through seven innings before surrendering two hits and issuing a walk before exiting the eighth inning with the bases loaded.
The Braves then proceeded to go through four relievers to complete San Diego?s game-tying, three-run eighth inning, which was marred by a couple defensive blunders committed by Christian Bethancourt. This parade of relievers began with the entrance of left-hander Dana Eveland, who had been called up earlier in the day and had not pitched in the Majors since last season.
As soon as Eveland entered the game, the Padres popped Justin Upton off the bench. The Braves obviously knew Upton was available to pinch hit and would be used in this situation. But they stuck with Eveland, who threw one pitch that eluded Bethancourt and three others that missed the strike zone in the process of walking Upton.
Complicating matters on Thursday was the fact that Jim Johnson was unavailable because he had pitched each of the previous three days. So, maybe this was an instance where you were going to get burned any way you turned after giving this Atlanta bullpen the challenge of protecting a three-run lead with the bases loaded and none out in the eighth.
Gonzalez does not deserve to be blamed for all that has transpired as his bullpen has recently made a habit of squandering late-inning leads. He did not leave J.R. Graham unprotected in the Rule 5 Draft and he didn?t decide to deal David Hale for two catchers, who at this point have to be deemed disappointments. Nor did he give Arodys Vizcaino or Andrew McKirahan the performance-enhancing substances that led to their respective 80-game suspensions.
Gonzalez certainly wasn?t dealt a good hand with this year?s bullpen. But as things have gone bust far too often recently, you have to question the timing of when he has opted to hit on 16.
http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/2015/0...antas-bullpen/
Peraza better learn cf bc Peterson isn't giving up 2b. He's hitting great and rated the 3rd best defensive 2b in mlb. If we think Mallex can man cf, it may be time to shop peraza for a 3b, lf, or catcher
Time to send folty down. He's just been terrible lately.
@BravesReddit
So, since his 5/12 Foltynewicz has a 5.71 ERA & 1.477 WHIP
Bethancourt and Gwinnett need to be on a midnight train to Georgia (Gwinnett).
Lavarnway or Nieves are better options catching right now.
Unless Thurman becomes a great player, Houston might have got the best of us on the gattis trade. We now have a serious hole at catcher and I'm not sold on folty to say the least. Gattis' bat between FF and markakis would've made us a very good offensive team. Ruiz has yet to hit well at AA, but is picking it up
I think we should revisit that lucroy trade. Trade folty, Bethancourt, and peraza for lucroy and a decent prospect
@grantmcauley
Only team that has scored more than #Braves' 68 R this month is #BlueJays (88 R). Atlanta is 5-8, Toronto is 11-1 (11 G win streak) in June.
Wow
Unfortunately, the Brewers have seen enough of Bethancourt that they'll never go for that. We're essentially ****ed at C with O'Dowd being suspended. Nieves stint in the majors may have been worse than Bethancourt's so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
@Braves
Roster move: Braves have optioned C Christian Bethancourt to Gwinnett and have selected contract of C Ryan Lavarnway from @GwinnettBraves
Hell. Yes!
Got the BR alert on my phone. To say I'm happy is an understatement. It was one thing for Bethancourt to not hit. He never really has at any level. But he was supposed to be a defensive freak of nature, and to say he's been bad defensively is an understatement. For me, that's inexcusable. Either he was way overhyped or he's a head case. Either way, bad for us.
And I know I've gone beyond beating the dead horse, but the Gattis trade was by far the most "WTF" move of the offseason by Hart. We gutted our lineup of a legit power bat and a pretty good defensive C who the pitchers liked. And it's not like Gattis had a massive contract, either. He was basically making league minimum with club control for several years. Not to mention he didn't have nearly the amount of tread off the tires that most older C prospects have because of the time away from baseball.
I'm getting worried about that trade now. We have no catcher. If we don't get weiters, we might not have a catcher next season. Ruiz is struggling in AA, although hes picking it up some. I think folty is destined to be a reliever. Thurman may or may not work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Cunningham to Gwinnett. Sugar ray recalled
Folty will come along. he has shown the stuff and the makeup, just has to learn. takes most SP about 2-3 years in the show to put it all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
i love Gattis, but that was a good trade. too risky to retain him with a questionable knee and back for a rebuilding year. we've been spoiled at C for awhile, we'll have to get used to defense-first backstops again. an OF that isn't terrible offensively is a must now though.
Excited to say that i will be at Fenway tomorrow night for the Braves/Red Sox game. My first ever trip to Fenway. Im up here on business, and our meeting finishes up right at game time so im planning to walk over. Getting to see my favorite team (Braves) vs my favorite AL team.
Any suggestions on things to buy, eat, see, take pics of, etc at Fenway? Its somewhat spur of the moment so i havent had time to prepare really.
Never been go can't suggest anything, but I'm extremely jealous. Have funQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Ive never been to a Braves game in Atlanta, and i grew up a HUGE Bravos fan. I bet you have me beat there, haQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, just never a road game... much less FenwayQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Another good outing by Perez and another nice trade for Hart when we got Uribe. His avg has gone up and made us a little better defensively. The number of moves he made and so many look very good. Just shows what a really good GM can do. Exciting to see what this team will be for a few years. Obviously there are holes to shore up but you see pieces already coming into place. Solve catcher, LF, bullpen, and 3rd with money relief coming, these things can be solved over the next 1 1/2 years to be ready for new park. And think we contend next year anyway...depending on who is the manager.
I'm ready to see what toscano can do in lf. Surely he'll be assigned to a minor league team soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Anxious to see if mckirahan and vizcaino will be guys we can depend on going into next year. Shae Simmons will be back season. I think folty will be in the pen next season along with one of banuelos or wisler with the other being a starter.
Catcher is the biggest question mark going into next season. We really need to sign weiters
Toscano isn't going to be a power guy though. My main hope with him is he can be good enough defensively because I think he can be high .200-.300 type of hitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree with you a good bit but let's don't jump the gun on Folty just yet. He has had some adjustment periods at different levels and he is still about where or ahead of guys like Smoltz were for their first 70 MLB innings and some of that was in Houston. I want to see where he is at several points through his first 200-250 innings. Now I'm not saying he won't go to the pen at some point but I don't give up just year on a top of the order guy at just 70 innings.
I'm not giving up on folty. I do think wisler will be a better pitcher though and banuelos is a lefty so that gives him an advantage. Not sure when fried will be cleared, but he could be a 2nd half option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
They could be. But we have to consider with who we have now and what is waiting in the wings, some will be possibly moved in deals as well. There will still be several changes in our pitching rotation and pen over the next few years. And some may go back and forth until getting into the right fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Teheran's era continue to rise. 4.98... Will he even be in our rotation in '17? Wood and miller are probably locks. Teheran, Perez, folty, wisler, Jenkins, banuelos, Jenkins, and fried will compete for other 3 spots. I have zero confidence in Teheran right now