Exactly, so we have to spend our money wisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
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Exactly, so we have to spend our money wisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
If you don't make a solid effort at a showing next season you risk further apathy in the program.
You can do both, but you have to be wise when you have the funds of a bottom tier sec team.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesotoDog1967
I think this is moot anyway. Gabriel is transferring bc he isn't an nfl qb. He will do exactly what he should do with this 1 year - try to win big or get every penny he can before hanging up his jersey. I'm not sure we fit either one
Atta boy, dig those heels in on an awful take. Let's roll with Mike Wright next year and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
lol, that's exactly what I said - use Mike wright!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Why is it "unwise" to pay Gabriel for 2024 and someone else in 2025, compared to paying someone else for both years? It's the same net cost either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Right, I forgot, you want the blue chip QB with multiple years of eligibility who has already transferred and is dying to come to Miss State. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
One he transfers to you, he's done unless he's a graduateQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Preferably. Getting a freshman transfer is just as good though since you only get 1 free transferQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I don't follow. You're going to spend the same money over the next 2 years on a QB whether you get DG this year and X next year or if you get X for both years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Are you saying we can get somebody better than DG and maybe not suck?
A previous transfer would have to sit a year unless he's a grad transfer, and if that's the case, he'd only have one year left. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So you would rather us get a worse qb than DG because we are not going to be good next year anyway? What?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we pay John Jim (freshman) from Joe blow state to transfer here, he can't transfer without sitting out again till he graduates. That one big sum gets you 2 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
So, if we get a "NFL QB" with 2 years of eligibility remaining, what's to say he won't declare for the draft after year one?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No, you'll have to give him the big sum again in year. These NIL deals aren't one time signing bonuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If they have transferred previously and are going to transfer to us, that means they have to sit a year or are a grad transfer. So you want a grad transfer who has 2 years of eligibility left? That's the criteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yes, I said that multiple times for some reason. I was thinking get that first transfer to lock them in, but I said previous transfer which is wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
So you want an unproven QB transfer?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Ok, so what's his recourse? Sit out. The deal he gets this year is for those years until he's eligible to transferQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That's any transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No no no. You will have to pay John Jim every year he is here. You think OM paid Dart in 2022 and he then played for free in 2023 and will play for free in 2024?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I would rather break the bank on Dante Moore than Gabriel. If we miss on Moore, scout another freshman/soph qb that you can develop and use money on oline. I would invest heavily in olineQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I bet he ain't getting 2 million like Gabriel will this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I think Gabriel is better than Dart. Dart is going to get paid this year. If he doesn't he will hit the portal as grad transfer and get paid that way. May go back to USC and get paid there.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Has dart graduated? If he has, then yes, he will get paid big.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
What tulu was getting wasn't a speck to this. And need that money and then some to find a replacement for himQuote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
I would think we need the money for OL/DL as well. So many holes there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If we can get Gabriel, we need to. Plain and simple.
Agreed. What isn't getting mentioned is that Portal QBs are like musical chairs and you don't want to end up with having to talk yourself into Peyton Thorne or some average QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
Exactly. This is my concern for paying 2 million for a qb we only have 1 seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
If Gabriel had 2 years remaining and we wanted him for both, it would cost $4 million to get both. These aren't one-time signing bonuses regardless of how long they stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
How much did dart get paid this season vs his transfer year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I don't know obviously, but I would assume he's either flat or a raise each year. He's definitely not getting a pay cutQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe someone can fill us in bc it seems to me once leverage is gone, pay dropsQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Here is the thing - we can't look at this as we do our traditional football roster or how we act moving beyond 2024. In order for our first year HC to establish MSU as a destination for quality QB's and other talent, we need instant results.
Landing Gabriel incredibly reduces our rebuilding time because he knows Lebby's system. So instead of all of our previous coaching transitions that failed partly due to having a QB/system mis-match, we have an opportunity to leap forward in a positive way.
The result of that is winning more games, which will allow a) our on roster QB2/3 to learn from a player well steeped in the offense; and b) show future recruits or transfers the possibilities in the offense instead of the typical "wait till we have 'our guys' approach.
Yes we have other needs - but QB 1 is THE game changer and you have to strike if you can. And Gabriel is a unique opportunity for our situation.
We just can't have nice things.
There's nothing any fanbase agrees on completely. Lebby has money to spend and it's his butt on the line, so I trust his interest and ours align. I prefer an eye to 2025, but I will support Lebby in whichever plan he rolls withQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Totally agree.... I don't see why folks aren't getting thisQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Oregon ain't backing down. They want Gabriel. He's listening.
Better have a damn good plan B.