I certainly agree here. This is why it should have always been 8. Some dumbass chose 4 back in the day and they thought it was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
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I certainly agree here. This is why it should have always been 8. Some dumbass chose 4 back in the day and they thought it was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Ohio State doesn't have the qb play that Alabama has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
I think every team has a shot to win the first games. The match ups are nice from a neutral fan perspective.
Imagine if we still had the BCS. They would have picked MI-Bama and left out two unbeatens and a team that beat Bama.
Kyle McCord QB for Ohio State has more passing yards, slightly better QBR, passing yards/gm, a little more passing TDs. Milroe is a little bit better than him in other categories, but it's basically even as a total QBQuote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
Have you watched them since the injury?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
So you penalize the rest of the undefeated p5 team because they lost their QB 3 games ago? You let a Bama team in that needed a miracle to beat a bad AU team a week ago and barely escaped Tuscaloosa with a win against AR. Get that Bama sympathy out of here. They always get the benefit of the doubt because it's Bama. Roles reversed and FSU never jumps Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That would probably be my one gripe. This is the first year in a while that I can definitively say that a deserving team was left out. Georgia is better than Texas and Washington and I would argue they would wax Michigan on a neutral field. I really believe Georgia and Bama are probably the two best teams with Texas and Michigan a rung below. Bama is a completely different team than they were in Week 2Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I'm not the one letting my feelings of Bama cloud my judgement. Bama is much better than this version of fsu. FSU without Travis isn't even a top 10 team. Travis is that goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
No professional sport knocks out a team because of a player injury if their record gets them a playoff bid, and college football shouldn't either.
The system is terrible either way. Bring on the expanded playoff.
Losing Travis is what did it for FSU. I doubt the committee would have left them out if he was healthy. It will be nice next year though having the 12 teams. This year would have been perfect for an 8 team playoff because I think there is a pretty sharp cut off from Oregon at 8 and Missouri at 9.
Professional sports don't award playoff spots subjectivelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Really think it was SOS. FSU at #55 and Bama at #5 I think (someone chime in if that's a little off). Have to wonder too if last year TCU getting destroyed 55-7 was in the back of their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
What some of you fail to realize and not one talking head has even pointed out yet that I’ve heard is that a 1 loss Texas team is ranked ahead of FSU as well so why is it a stretch to say Bama shouldn’t be in? They literally put it right in front of you that FSU wasn’t getting in and if there were 6 teams available for the playoff, they would have put OSU and UGA ahead of FSU too. They put them at 5 for show.
TCU getting destroyed was in the back of their minds and watching FSU struggle to be able to move the ball across the 50 was at the forefront of their mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Pretty amazing the chatter is about FSU when Georgia suffers a more undeserving fate by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Munson
Well that's all semantics after they decided they wanted Bama in. If they left Bama out they would have probably put FSU at 3 and just said they valued undefeated conference champs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Munson
It’s not semantics, it’s exactly what they did. Semantics would have been my other example where there are 6 teams that got in and FSU wouldn’t have been in those either.
If FSU was smart they would have said Travis injury not that bad and that he would be back for playoffs
Not sure the point you are trying to make? They could easily just say they value conference titles and put FSU at 5 ahead of 1 loss non conference champs. I think it was pretty obvious when 3 on the screen was Texas what was happening. But the ultimate decision was Bama in or not, and the other order would be arranged off that decision where they could justify their logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Munson
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well I wasn’t arguing anything, initially. I was simply pointing out that everyone seems to be making this about fsu and bama when a 1 loss Texas is ahead of fsu too. That’s fact. What you then argued is not. We can play scenarios all you want but the fact of the matter is 2 one loss teams are ahead of fsu.
I honestly don’t give a shit so I’m doing arguing about it. I just found it strange that nobody here and not 1 commentator mentioned this because if you say that an undefeated conference champion should be in regardless, then they should be in regardless over ANY 1 loss team. As it stands, they weren’t in vs 2 one loss teams, so the point is moot.
Lots of debate LOL.
The CFP was created after 2013 Kick Six game AU won over Bammer. Bammer only had that one loss.
The CFP was created the very next year, eliminating the BCS type computer algorithms based on performance metrics, a "committee of respected individuals" (cough, cough) was tasked with determining who the "best 4" were, and the "eye test" became a thing.
IMO, all that was done to ensure a 1 loss Bammer team had a shot at the National Title. That's the primary objective of the CFP and its committee.
Since then, a 1 loss Bama team has never missed the playoffs. But Kirby just did with only 1 loss.
I personally preferred the BCS. The committee is a joke IMO.
Still subjectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
https://media.giphy.com/media/beyMhG...h9Bx/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I too support moving to a committee-less objective system, but I won't let that stop me from applauding an improvement to the current bad system.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The CFP was already in the works for several years before 2014. It wasn't a response to anything that happened in 2013. In fact, back in 2013, people were already clamoring for the NCAA to go ahead and adopt it early, just like a lot of us wish the 12-team format could come early.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Relative to 4 team playoff you're right. Not sure about the structure of choosing teams or criteria tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
ETA: I do know this ... Since 2017 I've known that you might as well book a 1 loss Bama team into the CFP.
The committee was put in place to make sure the best teams made it in. Today that worked. Today Fla State is not one of the 4 best teams.
but Ohio state doesn't have SabanQuote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
Did it? Why ain't Georgia in? Go look at Washington's defensive stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
ETA: And the committee showed tons of integrity by still ranking Ga below FSU in final poll. It's a joke.
I'm also pretty sure there has never been a #1 team fall that far in the rankings after being undefeated and losing a close championship game like GA did. At least no SEC team has.
Yeah that is one of the very few reasons I could see Bama being an outright winner against Michigan. Saban is just that good at coaching and motivating. Everything else considered, Michigan is better at or it's evenQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Washington still has their QB. Fla State doesnt. End of storyQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Doesn't mean they're better than GA. Also, GA still has their QB and they're ranked below FSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If Milroe gets hurt in practice between now and the playoff are they going to sub Georgia in?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Ya know subjectively I think MSU should be in a bowl game. We played Ole Miss a pretty good game and held Arkansas to 3 points. Ark scored 21 on Bama and almost beat them. Records and actual results be damned. Think that can get us a bid?
The playoff committee and selection process is awful. It was better when teams just played their tie in bowl games and the media decided.
This is shameful
The thing about the "best 4 teams" is that
1) why play the games if we can just ignore record when it's all said and done?
2) If record doesn't matter, why should fans or players give a crap about wins? College football is more dramatic than the NFL precisely because we believe every game matters.
3) there's a whooooool lot of ways to determine who's "best". Vegas thought Oregon was better than Washington. The playoff committee themselves have often put a team at #4 and that team wound up winning the natty- if the committee was perfect their #1 seed would always win. At the end of the day saying "we select the 4 best teams" = "we do whatever gets the best ratings". They do not know who the best 4 teams are anymore than the AP does.
4) as already mentioned in this thread, if you're going to punish teams for injuries then teams and players will lie about said injuries. That's worse for the players and fans and Vegas.
FSU had the better record. FSU destroyed LSU under tougher conditions than Bama. Bama struggled vs some awful teams. FSU won their games even without Travis. All Bama has over FSU is "best win"
Like really though, all this decision does is say "we pick who we want, on field results do not matter"
If 2 plays go differently for Bama this year they could have been 9-3, and if the refs review the fourth down completion that led to the TD before half they lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If Bama was 9-3 would they still be one of the best team? It's 2 plays. OR are you saying that results on the field actually matter? Because FSU is perfect. Alabama is not.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Yep. I don't have a lot of sympathy for FSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
In '91, they were invited to join the SEC and declined. Bobby Bowden is on record saying that it would be too difficult to win a NC in the SEC and that it'd be easier in the ACC (which is true).
Additionally, last year, FSU's AD was 1 of only 3 ADs to vote against expanding the CFP to 12 teams.
So, if ya have a problem with FSU not making the CFP, take it up with FSU.