Don't leave out the JoMo O. Shira, Felker, Croom & JoMo, time we caught a break on hiring a good HC. We should be better than this on and off the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
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Don't leave out the JoMo O. Shira, Felker, Croom & JoMo, time we caught a break on hiring a good HC. We should be better than this on and off the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I love all the damn reverses and double reverses we keep trying that every suck ass D we face look like they knew it was coming 2 plays before we tried it LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Napkins at Two Brothers after several rounds of beer SMH Gotta get to Two Brothers for strategy sessions.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch the stupid, no talent players are in shorter duration practices and not getting the additional drills and reps they should be getting.
I don't have a problem at all with jet sweeps, end around, and reverses but they do need to be well executed. I actually wish Leach ran more of those than he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
The biggest issues we have currently with them is:
1. We probably run too many of them. It's a long developing play even if it is well executed so an element of surprise helps.
2. We don't block very well and sometimes our guys run into each other.
3. We sometimes run them when we shouldn't like in the red zone when we know the other team is likely going to be blitzing hard.
I don't like the short practices. Every now and then? Sure. But consistently it's probably not a good idea.
We scored 3 pts at home against Kentucky.
That 3 points took a 20 play drive.
Give me the air raid.
Cadaver you are correct again. Just because our O sucks now doesn't mean the AR is great or would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Fact is AR sucks, what we are doing now sucks mostly because we don't have the players and worst coaching job in America.
Fans attacking each other spiking the football makes the MSU fanbase the most ignorant in college sports. Please quit making us all look bad.
You mean the one that has a .333 winning % against UK? That put up 0 in Lexington that year? Yeah right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Point 2, we need more OL coaches. Two does not seem to be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
It is definitely an indication of a mindset of a portion of our fans
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The Air Raid is alive and still thriving. The fact that Mike Leach changed the way the game is played and is on the Mt Rushmore for offensive coaches must chap some asses on here.
I will always respect coaches who came up with new ways of playing offense and got the football world away from the he dinosaur days of offensive football.
Bam, Head shot......Instant kill........
"The Air Raid is not an offense," TCU coach Sonny Dykes said. "The Air Raid is a way of life."
"It's a mentality," Riley said, "more than a collection of plays."
The reverses are becoming the "Holloway up the middle" predictability.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
You mean in Leach's and AR's 3rd game ever at MSU, without a spring install, in Will's 1st start ever due to injuries, as a true Freshman on the road in a very hostile environment? The night everyone on this board melted down because how bad our offense sucked? And now that same excuse is being given for last night's debacle?Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Leach won 4 SEC games each of the last 2 years. Mullen only won more the 4 one time. He won 4 four times, and 2 one time too. Last year we lost to the #5, #9, #11, #33 ranked Scoring Ds and beat the #1 Scoring D in a Bowl game. That's a lot tougher competition by far than what we're facing this year.
Context matters. But whatever ... folks gonna keep arguing it forever. And the coaching hire will probably not work out well either.
Wait , so you intentionally use Wisconsin offense knowing their starter is out and it is the first year in the system without WRs, and Locke is starting as a redshirt freshman......then you defend MSU saying we have a backup playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We all see you and others around the Bryan building have an issue with it.
Oh, you mean Leach gets a pass for 1st year but no other HC or team or O does? Oh I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Oh and we have injuries now too but Oh you don't count that now do you. Oh I see.
If the AR worked so great we wouldn't be debating this.
Just a horrible attempt. 9 and 4.... I will take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
This is the correct answer for most that are conidered by the C34 knob slobbers as the "AR Cult"Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
That's not what I'm saying. Here's some of the things I have taken into consideration: 1) The board went into complete meltdown mode that night when Will started his first game as a FR in Lexington. Everyone was irate about it. A few of us tried to point out all the adversity that team had faced and were shouted down. 2020 was not a normal year by any stretch of the imagination. And that was on top of the dumpster fire Leach inherited and Leach having a very young overall team 2) The same folks that melted down that night are now trying to make one excuse after under much less adverse conditions. ZA didn't inherit a dumpster fire where the inmates were running the asylum, he has no Covid BS to deal with, there was a solid culture in place and he has very experienced football team. Leach also face some of the injury issues that ZA may be facing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Not only that, we saw improvement as the season went along with Leach. We scrapped hard with UGA, and showed some other solid flashes.
Overall with Leach, we were moving in the right direction and winning games. The whole mantra for promoting Zach to HC was to not take such a huge step back and a lot of promises were made about that and then actions were taken that did just the opposite.
Bottom line tho is Leach was a divisive character. Regardless of what people say about having "never said they hated Leach", they had preconceived opinions about him long before he ever stepped foot on our campus as HC. I did too ... and Spiderman, who never shows up to this board anymore, convinced me to check Leach out more thoroughly and when I did, I liked about every video I watched and Leach's approach and culture. His teams hit people, were tough, and physical. My mind changed about Leach.
Doesn't mean I didn't think we need to improve things under Leach either but just look at Parson the other night. Way too early to tell but he has talent, can run, has nimble feet, strong arm, etc. I saw where Leach was trying to improve and while he's doing that he's still winning 4 SEC games each of the last 2 years and 8 overall reg season games last year.
People say he recruited bad and maybe that's so, but his rankings are the same as we've always had as a general rule. We seem light on Jrs but that also was the year all the recruiting was done via Zoom for the most part. No one takes that into consideration.
So the main point is: The ones making excuses now and begging for more time had a preconceived idea about Leach, his offense, etc. And they pounced every time, there was a misstep in the offense. When we won convincingly or had big comebacks ... crickets. We had a bad game and/or lost ... piranhas. And now ... begging for patience with a HC that was here with Leach, inherited a very mature team, and yet trashed the Leach entire culture for the most part. ZA and this staff inherited one of the better situations any new HC will inherit.
It's all a moot point now except the product on the field anyway. Which is about as bad if not worse than Croom level.
ETA: Leach the man is dead, his AR doesn't exist anymore, and if the folks running things now wanna keep bashing him, his AR, and then making him the sole reason for everything they're doing wrong that produce the results we're currently seeing on the field, so be it. Of course now they're reaching for other reasons like NIL and such. I imagine that will continue from here on out.
Will started v/ kentucky??? In 2020?? Pretty sure Costello just stunk and then we put Will in.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
You're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
The stretch from ark to bama (4 games) rivaled this year with wright...
We scored 28 offensive pts from ark to bama (4 games) - 7.0 ppg
This year under wright, we've scored 23 offensive pts from ark to Kentucky (3 games) - 7.7 ppg
Both stretches were horrible to watch
That's correct. KJ threw like 55 passes that game before being pulled for Will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Yep ... Y'all are right about Costello. It was next few games if I remember right with Will. So ... 2020 is definitely *** turning out to be a direct one-for-one comparison of this year and y'all carry on with blaming Leach and defending this staff just like you blamed JoMo and defended Leach in 2020 ****
You're way too sensitive. No one is defending arnett at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
The kids played hard in 2020 and you could tell we had a plan and the culture was in place after it was ruined. It?s not even close. This is the worst coaching job I have ever seen at MSU
It is hard to quantify the playing hard part. We had some brutal losses in 2020. Our defense still hasn't quit this year. They have reason to quit, but they have played their ass off the last 6 quarters of football. The offense has given them nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I was one of the first ones to question Arnett and his decision to transition away from AR with a senior laden offense, but I think the defense hasn't quit. Now some of the WR's (Tulu especially) appear to be done with this offense or lack thereof. Hard to blame them.
Not hard for me to blame him. Like the coach or not, like the system or not, he's being paid and given a scholarship to play, so play. I'm perfectly fine with him and all quitters to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I haven't really noticed open quit in this team overall but they are frustrated and have lost hope. I saw more guys slam helmets on the sidelines again Saturday after coming off the field. Lots of frustration. We got many who don't want to go out like this. They have like fans lost all confidence in the coaching staff. I do also think some (WR for one) are pouting about not getting the ball as much or something. I'm not sure some are playing hard for a not Will QB, their AR guy. You can tell that by comments after SC game. Not a word since.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
This is why when a company gets new leadership, there is typically wholesale changes. They can't afford to have left over leadership that is loyal and undermining new leadership with new direction. Leach did it and no one had issue, but for some reason some expect the next team to not do it?? Double standard.
No doubt. This is worse than Croom.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Scoring 3 points against this Kentucky team is worse than scoring 2 in the 3-2 game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
Memory is short. Go look at the records. Loss to maine. No. It's not worse than croom, no matter how bad you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
Yeah the memories of some are short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
We did lose to Maine that year, we also beat #20 Florida at home 38-31 and then beat UK 22-7 that year. I mean, yeah Maine was brutal, but we did put up 38 points against #20 Florida.
Have we had a showing this year against a top 20 team that would be remotely close to that?
Yeah but it was Ron Zook...another one that was Croomed. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
That team also had Jerious Norwood, a top 3 RB in program history, and this team does not have any type of playmaker anywhere close to that caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Yeah, but what we did was tailor our offense to show off his talent in that game. We didn't put him in an AR offense and not give him the ball. People are acting as if this team has zero offensive talent. It just isn't true. We have one of the most experienced offensive lines in our program's history. I would bet we have over 100 starts between the five starters on the OL. We have two WR's in Tulu and Zavion that a lot of teams would like.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
In his 5th year, we lost to la tech, got drilled by ga tech. One of his 4 wins was vandy. 3,3,3,7,4 wins. I don't think it's worse. I know it's not worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Yes, it is. Croom had a true rebuild. These slappys walked into a gravy train and spilt it before they got to the table. It is awful. It is inexcusably awfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
There's a reason we set records for the most points down to come back and win games. The air raid did that. When it was on we could put up some points. Get a more mobile QB in and I think we could have made noise in the SEC.
We didn't have the talent of several of the teams we played, but the air raid closed the talent gap.
It's also a simple offense to run, which as Mike Leach said you don't want your players to think too hard during the game. Find green grass.
Look at our offense now, QB and receivers not on same page, blocking wrong people, run blocking on pass plays, etc. I think it's too complicated for the players. It's like Morehead's offense.
Give me a version of the Air Raid any day of the week over this run the ball 2 yards and a cloud of dust. I don't care what you Air Raid haters thing, but your preferred offense isn't getting it done either.
Look what happens to us now with teams stopping the running game and we can't pass the ball.
Next year is going to be brutal. Recruiting is going to suffer and we're losing experienced players.
That crap I sat through Saturday night is worse than Croom. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Anyone who says that either never actually sat through some of Croom's games or because it was so bad they have erased it from their memory. Sat was bad and Croom like but it wasn't worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200