Anyone remember our 3rd game under leach?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Again, NOT the same.

- Barbay... full spring and off season and summer.

- Leach, No spring. Not much summer. Player testing to covid... etc.


Not the same thing.

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The offenses are totally different. Yes, drastic changes take time

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The offenses are totally different. Yes, drastic changes take time

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No no sir. Why are you glossing over the facts that I just laid out.

Was Barbay hampered installing his system due to a virus that locked down a nation? NO

Was Barbay hampered with player testing and being forced to sit out? No.

Is Barbay hampered with players not being able to play due to testing of covid? No.


These two scenarios you put up are not the same at all.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

To go along with Trap's point, please tell me where these 3 wins will come from to get to 6-6.

We went to OT with ARIZONA at home. We will not win on the road vs an SC team that recruits much better and pays its coaches more than Zona. Similarly, Kentucky will come here and us.

Western Michigan and USM are 2 wins.

So we've got to win 2 of the following: @Auburn, @Arky, @A&M, or vs an OM team that would hand 70 on our defense if we played today. Maybe we win at Auburn, but they didn't need OT to beat Cal and their HC is much better than ours. They'll improve and I'm not sure we will. Arky doesn't look good but home field and a better QB and quite possibly a better defense too say otherwise.

Can anyone say today's performance looked better than SE LA? hard to compare the competition levels but I'd say no, we didn't look like we improved from week 1.

Overall, Will overthrew screens, deep balls, out routes, and under threw some too. Was 11/28. Took unnecessary sacks. Defense was AWFUL. OL can't block. What team can you beat with a statue QB that can't throw, an OL that can't block, and a bad D? I can't predict us to beat anyone. Maybe we do get 2 SEC wins to get to 6-6 but I don't see it.

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This offense and Will Rogers is like tartar sauce on cheese cake. Is Mike Wright better? I don't know. The coaches aren't playing him so he must be bad? Well then, if Mike Wright is worse than what we saw out of Will today we are soooooo screwed this season.

Winning 6 and keeping the bowl streak is going to be an achievement for these coaches.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They looked good on that drive

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And they're still ahead

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

This offense and Will Rogers is like tartar sauce on cheese cake. Is Mike Wright better? I don't know. The coaches aren't playing him so he must be bad? Well then, if Mike Wright is worse than what we saw out of Will today we are soooooo screwed this season.

Winning 6 and keeping the bowl streak is going to be an achievement for these coaches.

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Wright was able to scramble and get a passing TD..... I doubt Will could evade that pressure

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

And they're still ahead

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I think we got destroyed by the best team in the sec. I think lsu wins the sec

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Wright was able to scramble and get a passing TD..... I doubt Will could evade that pressure

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That was not a scramble that was a designed roll out against the 2s and 3s

Nick freaking Saban can't do shit without a qb. What makes people think our coaches can?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think we got destroyed by the best team in the sec. I think lsu wins the sec

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Not sure about that just yet. Kirby may have something to say about that. Gawga D is always tough.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think we got destroyed by the best team in the sec. I think lsu wins the sec

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They might be the best SEC team this year, but they aren't that good. FSU proved that. They'd be the 3rd or 4th best SEC team most years. Honestly, I'm not sure they're better than last years LSU team that we had a lead on going into the 4th

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not sure about that just yet. Kirby may have something to say about that. Gawga D is always tough.

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Georgia has to get better offensively. They certainly can

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Wright was able to scramble and get a passing TD..... I doubt Will could evade that pressure

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Because the defense had to account for Wright running the ball. It opened up space. Easy pitch and score. Will would have immediately gone into the fetal position or overthrown the receiver by a yard.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

They might be the best SEC team this year, but they aren't that good. FSU proved that. They'd be the 3rd or 4th best SEC team most years. Honestly, I'm not sure they're better than last years LSU team that we had a lead on going into the 4th

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Not this year.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That was not a scramble that was a designed roll out against the 2s and 3s

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And Will would have been sacked vs those same 2s and 3s.

Fact is we don't know if Wright can ball. He hasn't had the chance. But we DO know Will can't. And you can't disparage Wrights passing TD without also disparaging Will even more, as Will would have been sacked.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Georgia has to get better offensively. They certainly can

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Georgia's problem is no Stetson Bennett around.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

And Will would have been sacked vs those same 2s and 3s.

Fact is we don't know if Wright can ball. He hasn't had the chance. But we DO know Will can't. And you can't disparage Wrights passing TD without also disparaging Will even more, as Will would have been sacked.

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We know he can ball...some, he started at Vanderbilt last year.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Georgia has to get better offensively. They certainly can

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You got a D like Kirby's usually is, you gonna win 11 or 12 every year. Just gotta score a few points. He'll most likely figure it out.
Now he may not win Natty, but SEC is another story.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

You got a D like Kirby's usually is, you gonna win 11 or 12 every year. Just gotta score a few points. He'll most likely figure it out.
Now he may not win Natty, but SEC is another story.

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He can't beat lsu with this offense. Long way to go before they meet though

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He can't beat lsu with this offense. Long way to go before they meet though

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1st game of the year but FSU handled them. And I'll almost guarantee you Kirby's D will be better. But then FSU offense was really good too. As you say, long way to go yet.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That was not a scramble that was a designed roll out against the 2s and 3s

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Are you on retainer with the Rogers family for PR? I’ve never seen someone go out of their way to continually defend a short, concrete footed trash QB like you do.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That was not a scramble that was a designed roll out against the 2s and 3s

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Which Will would not have been able to roll out on.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

And Will would have been sacked vs those same 2s and 3s.

Fact is we don't know if Wright can ball. He hasn't had the chance. But we DO know Will can't. And you can't disparage Wrights passing TD without also disparaging Will even more, as Will would have been sacked.

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I didn't disparage his Td. And no, you don;t know that Rogers would have been sacked. He wasn't sacked by the 1s on many roll outs.

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

Are you on retainer with the Rogers family for PR? I’ve never seen someone go out of their way to continually defend a short, concrete footed trash QB like you do.

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I'm not defending Rogers and was critical of him today. The fact is we made a stupid hire.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

I didn't disparage his Td. And no, you don;t know that Rogers would have been sacked. He wasn't sacked by the 1s on many roll outs.

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On that particular rollout there was a defender off the edge. Wright only got away with his speed. Yes, Will would have been sacked that play. This isn't me making a general point by saying he'd be sacked, it's just a fact of that situation

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Barbay had mobile QBs. Mike Wright is a mobile QB. Will Rogers cannot run this offense because he is a liability. He is a statue in the pocket. Until I call for Barbay?s head, which I?m close, I want to see Wright run this offense for a full quarter at the very least.

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I?m curious. Who was Barbay?s run only QB?

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Originally Posted by KB21

I?m curious. Who was Barbay?s run only QB?

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I guess you got all your meltdowns over before the season. Everybody else's time to catch up now ****

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Originally Posted by KB21

I?m curious. Who was Barbay?s run only QB?

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Seriously?! You know you hate Barbay but just stop. I'm not happy with him either but let's look at his offense as a whole. We are asking a Air Raid QB who was never a mobile QB to run an offensive system that REQUIRES a mobile QB to be efficient and keep defenses honest.

Right now this offense with Will is peanut butter and mustard. It doesn't go together. I'm short on Barbay too but we need to see a better QB run this offense before totally write it off.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Seriously?! You know you hate Barbay but just stop. I'm not happy with him either but let's look at his offense as a whole. We are asking a Air Raid QB who was never a mobile QB to run an offensive system that REQUIRES a mobile QB to be efficient and keep defenses honest.

Right now this offense with Will is peanut butter and mustard. It doesn't go together. I'm short on Barbay too but we need to see a better QB run this offense before totally write it off.

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I agree, but I feel no symphony for barbay or arnett if they stick with a square peg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I agree, but I feel no symphony for barbay or arnett if they stick with a square peg

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I 100% agree. This is a part of coaching too. The coaches need to do their jobs.

I will always love Mike Leach and what he did for the sport. National Treasure.

I have even more respect for him, putting up the offensive numbers he did with Will Rogers. It is obvious now, Will was a product of the system. Imagine if we would have had an actual QB.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I 100% agree. This is a part of coaching too. The coaches need to do their jobs.

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Symphony, haha

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Will Rogers must transfer immediately to the Millsaps Majors for us to win any SEC games. But, we don't want to win any SEC games. Death is our bride.

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I'll agree Will didn't play too well, but it's not all on him-not by a longshot. OL played poorly, DL has no push, DB's don't cover well. Tackling left a lot to be desired.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Seriously?! You know you hate Barbay but just stop. I'm not happy with him either but let's look at his offense as a whole. We are asking a Air Raid QB who was never a mobile QB to run an offensive system that REQUIRES a mobile QB to be efficient and keep defenses honest.

Right now this offense with Will is peanut butter and mustard. It doesn't go together. I'm short on Barbay too but we need to see a better QB run this offense before totally write it off.

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Chase Brice, Daniel Richardson, and Jacob Sirmons. Those are the QBs that have run Barbay?s version of Jim McElwain?s offense the past two years. Those three combined for 36 yards rushing in this system.

Barbay?s scheme is not based on the zone read. It?s not a QB run scheme. It is based off the wide zone run scheme with a secondary drop back passing scheme. It?s the drop back passing scheme that Mike Wright will struggle with.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Chase Brice, Daniel Richardson, and Jacob Sirmons. Those are the QBs that have run Barbay?s version of Jim McElwain?s offense the past two years. Those three combined for 36 yards rushing in this system.

Barbay?s scheme is not based on the zone read. It?s not a QB run scheme. It is based off the wide zone run scheme with a secondary drop back passing scheme. It?s the drop back passing scheme that Mike Wright will struggle with.

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Right now Will's struggling with the whole damn thing. And did any of those other QBs who weren't mobile just sit back in the pocket and fall into the fetal position BEFORE they were sacked?

Mike Wright at least offers another dimension to this offense that Will could never give.

Sounds to me like KB may really know what he's talking about. Not gonna research to be sure tho. If he's right then "GREAT ... Fantastic". I'm looking forward to the Barbay era ****

I think it?s the death penalty for Will to be expected to run this offense after three years of air raid in college and also running the air raid in high school.

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Originally Posted by KB21

It?s the drop back passing scheme that Mike Wright will struggle with.

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11/28 for 103 yards and 5 sacks.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

11/28 for 103 yards and 5 sacks.

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Lol, no shit

Barbay can?t design the offense to fit Will?s need to be a rhythm passer. What makes you think he can call an offense that focuses on Wright?s ability to run?

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Originally Posted by KB21

Barbay can?t design the offense to fit Will?s need to be a rhythm passer. What makes you think he can call an offense that focuses on Wright?s ability to run?

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Thus far, he's called 7 run plays fro Wright and 1 pass. Seems like he gets the memo on what Wright is