Word is Bama is down a starting WR (Burton) and might be removed from team

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

One of the team rules in place is if you hit a woman, you’re gone.

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Yeah, according to Mike Leach's book, that's one of his 3 non-negotiable automatic rules he's enforced everywhere he's been. No second chances.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yeah, according to Mike Leach's book, that's one of his 3 non-negotiable automatic rules he's enforced everywhere he's been. No second chances.

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I’m not aware of any bad or criminal behavior by any of our players this year or last. We have a pretty good group of kids from everything I’ve seen.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Cheap shot! Guy should be kicked off the team.

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I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

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Agreed, there's no way they're keeping 100,000 fans off the field.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

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Sure ya can... Just smack a few, and the rest will get the idea...

seriously, though... that's a really scary, unpredictable, vol I tile, situation...

Thank god it only comes around er decade, or so....

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

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Just put an endzone club right below the student section and make the jump high enough to hurt onto unsafe concrete and easily stopped by having a small area to storm.

Has stopped the students ever since the renovation.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Sure ya can... Just smack a few, and the rest will get the idea...

seriously, though... that's a really scary, unpredictable, vol I tile, situation...

Thank god it only comes around er decade, or so....

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You just begging to whoop yo ass ain't ya?

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

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As I've pointed out, Saban won't do a damn thing. Saban isn't going to do anything to hurt his teams chances of winning. If this guy was some 4th stringer, Saban would already be out in his press conference and pound the podium saying "He's off the team because that's not who we are." I know that because he did that for some JUCO transfer that never played. I was hoping he had changed from when Courtney Upshaw had a domestic violence charge against him and never missed 1 second of playing time, but nah, Saban is a hypocrite. And no disciplinarian at that.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

used a racial epitaph at the alleged perpetrator.

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You might have heard this, but its a lie. How many times have we heard fake racism? The girl, and I fully acknowledge she shouldn't have been there, posed no physical threat and tried to get out of the way. Burton had to try to hit her, and he did. I also acknowledge he didn't hit her hard, but that doesn't make it ok either. No amount of lies or excuse making will make that ok. He will play. Of that there is no doubt. But the NCAA, the SEC, and any other governing body should step in, but they won't.

If Bama somehow manages to win the game and storms the field this weekend, we have to be better than this.***

Will the female be expelled for going on the field after the game? She broke a rule too right?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He hit another person too supposedly.

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He knocked his camera down and stopped him from recording him.

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

You might have heard this, but its a lie. How many times have we heard fake racism? The girl, and I fully acknowledge she shouldn't have been there, posed no physical threat and tried to get out of the way. Burton had to try to hit her, and he did. I also acknowledge he didn't hit her hard, but that doesn't make it ok either. No amount of lies or excuse making will make that ok. He will play. Of that there is no doubt. But the NCAA, the SEC, and any other governing body should step in, but they won't.

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Wait, you saw this in person? Holy shit... gimme the scoop.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Wait, you saw this in person? Holy shit... gimme the scoop.

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She was a college student that was happy her team won. She was rushing the field. She tried to duck out of the way and he was angry because she was in his way and had to reach out to hit her. Nobody else heard her say any racially charged wording. It was either made up by Burton, someone else made it up for him, or you made it up.

Did you hear about the Duke Volleyball player? Nobody heard racism there either. With as many people around and as fast as that interaction was, somebody would have heard it. Nobody, and I mean nobody in the media has reported anything about that. Surely someone would step up for Burton if this was the case.

Sounds like an Alabama fan defending his players no matter what. Just like the coach does. Everybody else is saying he needs to be kicked off the team. But Saban gonna Saban and allow women beaters to stay on his team if it helps him win just like he did with Courtney Upshaw.

Thanks for the information. Unlike you, I was not there, so all my information is 2nd hand.

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

She was a college student that was happy her team won. She was rushing the field. She tried to duck out of the way and he was angry because she was in his way and had to reach out to hit her. Nobody else heard her say any racially charged wording. It was either made up by Burton, someone else made it up for him, or you made it up.

Did you hear about the Duke Volleyball player? Nobody heard racism there either. With as many people around and as fast as that interaction was, somebody would have heard it. Nobody, and I mean nobody in the media has reported anything about that. Surely someone would step up for Burton if this was the case.

Sounds like an Alabama fan defending his players no matter what. Just like the coach does. Everybody else is saying he needs to be kicked off the team. But Saban gonna Saban and allow women beaters to stay on his team if it helps him win just like he did with Courtney Upshaw.

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Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

There's nuance here. All evidence is circumstantial. Legally speaking, BYU did the correct, law-abiding thing. This does not necessarily mean that the accuser "lied". It can also mean that there's not enough evidence to corroborate their story. This means a court of government should not convict; however, a court of public opinion and common sense can make educated guesses at determining what happened.

This allows you to point to two things to bolster "your side". One side can say Duke females (the lacrosse story) have a preponderance to lie about bs. It's flimsy, but it's all you've got. The other side can point to Utah's numerous racially charged fan heckling that has had confirmed bannings several times in basketball and how many players specifically call that state's fans out and draw that conclusion. It's better, but it's nowhere near enough to sway people who can look at direct evidence and still call it fake.

So what should you do? Understand there is nuance. Let the facts come out. There's likely to be several videos storming the field come out. But if there isn't, then trust in guys like Saban to make the right decision for making the kid into a better man than one who swings at people (even if it could be 'justified'). I may not like playing against Saban, but I know that everything I've ever seen about him is a great man and great coach. If there's no decisive video/audio evidence either way then I trust him to make the right judgment.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

There's nuance here. All evidence is circumstantial. Legally speaking, BYU did the correct, law-abiding thing. This does not necessarily mean that the accuser "lied". It can also mean that there's not enough evidence to corroborate their story. This means a court of government should not convict; however, a court of public opinion and common sense can make educated guesses at determining what happened.

This allows you to point to two things to bolster "your side". One side can say Duke females (the lacrosse story) have a preponderance to lie about bs. It's flimsy, but it's all you've got. The other side can point to Utah's numerous racially charged fan heckling that has had confirmed bannings several times in basketball and how many players specifically call that state's fans out and draw that conclusion. It's better, but it's nowhere near enough to sway people who can look at direct evidence and still call it fake.

So what should you do? Understand there is nuance. Let the facts come out. There's likely to be several videos storming the field come out. But if there isn't, then trust in guys like Saban to make the right decision for making the kid into a better man than one who swings at people (even if it could be 'justified'). I may not like playing against Saban, but I know that everything I've ever seen about him is a great man and great coach. If there's no decisive video/audio evidence either way then I trust him to make the right judgment.

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The banned and now unbanned person was a special needs. He has autism. He isn't some big time donor to the school. He did acknowledge going up to Rachel Richardson because he thought he was a friend of his who played on BYU because they have the same color uniforms. Your info is incorrect.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...oiled-n1628112

Also, of note, there was a police officer standing directly in front of the student section. He didn't hear the taunts that supposedly Richardson did when he was standing closer to the student section than she was.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...-true-n1625648

Also also of note, the accuser's godmother is Lesa Pamplin, who has made several racist tweets. She and Richardson's father are the only 2 people who publicly back her, though it should be noted, neither was at the game. Also also also, Pamplin has been involved in fake accusations before.
https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-s...efore-n1627452

Here is a report from the student newspaper:

https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/p...ources-suggest

But really, that was just one of many false accusations. Here is another.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...acism-n1431676

Here is a youtube video on one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xhscv2-gCQ

There are many other false accusations out there. You mentioned the Duke Lacrosse team. False accusations aren't limited to Duke women. As a matter of fact, the Duke Lacrosse team accuser wasn't a Duke student.

Now, as far as Saban being a great coach? Sure. He will do anything to win. That includes as I've said in this very thread allowing guns, drugs, and hitting women to stay on his team if you can help him win.

For drugs, it was Tim Williams. In Tim Williams own words he failed "a few" drug tests while at Alabama and was never suspended for it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/possib...222748442.html

For illegal guns, it was Cam Robinson. He was arreseted for felony stolen gun possession in Louisiana. I know the DA dropped the charge because "I refuse to ruin some young man's future who spent his childhood outside when others spent theirs indoors in air conditining." But remember, Saban is a great man who has discipline within his program.

https://www.nola.com/sports/article_...2248c3099.html

For domestic violence, as I've already mentioned, it was Courtney Upshaw. I know the charge was dropped but Upshaw grabbed his then girlfriend by the back of the neck and pushed her towards the ground.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmwe...estic-violence

None of these guys were even suspended for 1 second. Saban allows drugs, guns and hitting women. A great man? You can think that if you want. I think my dad was a great man. He taught me I would never put my hands on a woman. And he wouldn't have tolerated that. Or illegal guns or drugs.

If you're gonna cite "pjmedia" to try to prove your "side"... Sheesh. I could go grab an equally ridiculous "proof" article from a left-wing nut job outlet and then we'd both be sitting here with our dicks in our hands "proving" nothing. Go outside instead of diving down rabbit holes looking for the "proof" you want.


And hey that's interesting you bring up Cam Robinson. He wasn't convicted of anything and authority decided not to punish him. Man don't that sound familiar. Also that's interesting you bring up Courtney Upshaw. So now we believe 100% when someone accuses even though there was conviction? Why aren't you yelling for BYU to leave the ban in place???

Let me know if I need to spell out how hypocritical you're being for tearing Saban down for being the same thing as the BYU admin you praised. I'll hang up and lissen

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Originally Posted by Tater

If you're gonna cite "pjmedia" to try to prove your "side"... Sheesh. I could go grab an equally ridiculous "proof" article from a left-wing nut job outlet and then we'd both be sitting here with our dicks in our hands "proving" nothing. Go outside instead of diving down rabbit holes looking for the "proof" you want.


And hey that's interesting you bring up Cam Robinson. He wasn't convicted of anything and authority decided not to punish him. Man don't that sound familiar. Also that's interesting you bring up Courtney Upshaw. So now we believe 100% when someone accuses even though there was conviction? Why aren't you yelling for BYU to leave the ban in place???

Let me know if I need to spell out how hypocritical you're being for tearing Saban down for being the same thing as the BYU admin you praised. I'll hang up and lissen

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Authority decided not to punish Cam Robinson because "I refuse to ruin some young man's future who spent his childhood outside when others spent theirs indoors in air conditioning does NOT mean "I don't have enough evidence to charge him." He did.

I also cited several other websites, including the BYU student newspaper report. You know, the people who actually looked into it rather than other supposed "real journalists" like ABC, NBC, etc. who just took Richardson's word for it because it fits their agenda. It's what happened with Nicholas Sandmann too. And they lost the case in court against him.

So what part did I get wrong? Was the accused a big time donor and not a special needs student at Utah State?

BYU initially rushed to judgement and banned a special needs kid. Once an investigation was done it was found otherwise, they unbanned him. There was no other evidence that Courtney Upshaw didn't grab the woman's neck, Tim Williams didn't really fail drug tests, Cam Robinson really didn't have possession of illegal stolen guns, or that Burton didn't really hit the Tennessee female student. In fact, there is video evidence of the last one. And on Upshaw, it isn't an accusation when he admits to cops he did it. You probably didn't read the link I put up. Here it is louder for the people in the back.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmwe...estic-violence

Upshaw told the police that the altercation began when Grzyb "slapped him?in reference to her having seen him talking to another woman." In the police report, Upshaw admitted to grabbing and pushing Grzyb. Grzyb said that she slapped Upshaw and walked away, and Upshaw began to chase her.

If anything comes out on the UT female student making any racist remark, first of all, I'd be shocked, but would fully support her being punished by the University up to expulsion. Like I have said earlier, she shouldn't have even been on the field.

All of your links on the byu incident are either pjmedia or BYU: "We investigated ourselves and found no evidence we did wrong." But hey, you said ABC/NBC aren't real news because it doesn't fit their agenda. Does it fit a Faith based school to have the perception they are racist?

But hey, you clearly were there and inside the decisions being made to not ruin Upshaw's life over his girlfriend slapping him and then him shoving her. Rooting for that is the definition of cancel culture. Saban molded him into a better man. But hey, you don't believe in second chances so maybe step off of pasting "Faith" based media outlets. You clearly don't have any or just decided to pick and choose what you wanted to follow.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

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Back in the day... Wait... Back in my dad's day, Bama fans started to storm the field and the police started swinging their clubs. Cleared it pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

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Where are you getting any of this? Last I saw BYU was claiming to have reached out to Duke and BYU players and dozens of eye witnesses and everybody interviewed said they didn't hear anything racial. Did Duke deny that they spoke to their players? I know mormons have a history with racism, but is it really plausible you could sit in a stand surrounded by people and nobody react? I haven't been to BYU, but I've been to some pretty bassackwards places, including stands/bleachers of former citizen council schools and have never been in a place where you could yell out racial slurs without at least some of the people reacting to it.

https://byucougars.com/story/athleti...lleyball-match

Also, other sources reported that the banned fan was on the spectrum or something, not that he was a big time donor. Never seen anything to dispute that the fan was a big time donor, but just throwing that out there also.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Where are you getting any of this? Last I saw BYU was claiming to have reached out to Duke and BYU players and dozens of eye witnesses and everybody interviewed said they didn't hear anything racial. Did Duke deny that they spoke to their players? I know mormons have a history with racism, but is it really plausible you could sit in a stand surrounded by people and nobody react? I haven't been to BYU, but I've been to some pretty bassackwards places, including stands/bleachers of former citizen council schools and have never been in a place where you could yell out racial slurs without at least some of the people reacting to it.

https://byucougars.com/story/athleti...lleyball-match

Also, other sources reported that the banned fan was on the spectrum or something, not that he was a big time donor. Never seen anything to dispute that the fan was a big time donor, but just throwing that out there also.

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Tater gonna tater

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Originally Posted by Tater

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

There's nuance here. All evidence is circumstantial. Legally speaking, BYU did the correct, law-abiding thing. This does not necessarily mean that the accuser "lied". It can also mean that there's not enough evidence to corroborate their story. This means a court of government should not convict; however, a court of public opinion and common sense can make educated guesses at determining what happened.

This allows you to point to two things to bolster "your side". One side can say Duke females (the lacrosse story) have a preponderance to lie about bs. It's flimsy, but it's all you've got. The other side can point to Utah's numerous racially charged fan heckling that has had confirmed bannings several times in basketball and how many players specifically call that state's fans out and draw that conclusion. It's better, but it's nowhere near enough to sway people who can look at direct evidence and still call it fake.

So what should you do? Understand there is nuance. Let the facts come out. There's likely to be several videos storming the field come out. But if there isn't, then trust in guys like Saban to make the right decision for making the kid into a better man than one who swings at people (even if it could be 'justified'). I may not like playing against Saban, but I know that everything I've ever seen about him is a great man and great coach. If there's no decisive video/audio evidence either way then I trust him to make the right judgment.

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Are you saying it would be justified to hit her if she made a racial comment? Just making sure that’s what you are saying.

Burton is warming up and stretching

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Where are you getting any of this? Last I saw BYU was claiming to have reached out to Duke and BYU players and dozens of eye witnesses and everybody interviewed said they didn't hear anything racial. Did Duke deny that they spoke to their players? I know mormons have a history with racism, but is it really plausible you could sit in a stand surrounded by people and nobody react? I haven't been to BYU, but I've been to some pretty bassackwards places, including stands/bleachers of former citizen council schools and have never been in a place where you could yell out racial slurs without at least some of the people reacting to it.

https://byucougars.com/story/athleti...lleyball-match

Also, other sources reported that the banned fan was on the spectrum or something, not that he was a big time donor. Never seen anything to dispute that the fan was a big time donor, but just throwing that out there also.

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I already told him the falsely accused was a special needs student and has autism, but he wouldn't acknowledge that maybe he is wrong.

Of course he is. Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win, even if it involves drugs, guns, and hitting women. Never let it be said again that Saban is a disciplinarian. What a freaking joke

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

Of course he is. Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win, even if it involves drugs, guns, and hitting women. Never let it be said again that Saban is a disciplinarian. What a freaking joke

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No.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

No.

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Seems to me he played... So what do you have to say about that?
Oh right. Saban said they "internally disciplined" him....

Just read an article on MSN.com regarding the incident. Burton, along with Nick himself were both "scared" when TN fans mobbed the field. Nick talked to him and he has been in a counseling program to learn how to treat people better. Can't make some of these things up. SMH.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Just read an article on MSN.com regarding the incident. Burton, along with Nick himself were both "scared" when TN fans mobbed the field. Nick talked to him and he has been in a counseling program to learn how to treat people better. Can't make some of these things up. SMH.

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What a crock.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Just read an article on MSN.com regarding the incident. Burton, along with Nick himself were both "scared" when TN fans mobbed the field. Nick talked to him and he has been in a counseling program to learn how to treat people better. Can't make some of these things up. SMH.

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Gimme a break. I used to really respect Saban. He's become so whiny. His little
rant after the loss last weekend was something akin to JoMo and his bs. Screw Saban and bama

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

Seems to me he played... So what do you have to say about that?
Oh right. Saban said they "internally disciplined" him....

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He probably has to do 20 push-ups lol

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Gimme a break. I used to really respect Saban. He's become so whiny. His little
rant after the loss last weekend was something akin to JoMo and his bs. Screw Saban and bama

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Agree. Here's a similar article on FoxNews. All the comments are negative toward Saban, as they should be. I doubt the guy being in the game made much if any difference, but he shoudn't be in the game. Probably should be legally charged. Saban has handled other things "internally", which apparently means doing nothing. If one of our players slugged a fan of our team or the opposing team, I'd hope he would no longer be playing for us, regardless of how good he is.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/alaba...-tennessee-fan

It'll be interesting to see tomorrow how my golf buddies think, all of whom are sidewalk Bama fans. Will see if they even bring the subject up, gloat over the win, or what.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

He probably has to do 20 push-ups lol

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I know that they are "student athletes", but that punishment would have also required tutors to ensure this punishment count was correct. Much bigger number than a snap count!*** Hail State!

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

It'll be interesting to see tomorrow how my golf buddies think, all of whom are sidewalk Bama fans. Will see if they even bring the subject up, gloat over the win, or what.

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Beware, they may be quite defensive. This morning at church I said to a real bama fan, "well, you would have won anyway but amazing how a team leading the nation in penalties gets one 5 yard penalty in the first three quarters and it becomes 2 hand touch on Young. Saben got the word across. He replied that you could call a penalty on every play if you wanted to. I thought, but didn't reply that didn't seem to happen to bama, as the first song was starting and I didn't want to get a "delay of game penalty" for not hitting the pew on time!** He also said, "Heck, we still have to play LSU". Guess they didn't beat us by enough.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

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What did I say that was incorrect? I looked at the box score and Burton played. Saban plays people who hit women. What did I get wrong?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I know that they are "student athletes", but that punishment would have also required tutors to ensure this punishment count was correct. Much bigger number than a snap count!*** Hail State!

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Excellent! Can't rep you anymore!

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

What did I say that was incorrect? I looked at the box score and Burton played. Saban plays people who hit women. What did I get wrong?

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You said, "Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win..." that's inaccurate.

I wanna go on the record as sayin' I don't condone smackin' chicks lest they be a potential threat. Was it confirmed that he "punched" the girl?