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It is possible. Although we were on the outside of the bubble in 95% of the brackets (you can see all of the brackets on bracketmatrix.com). We were likely to play Florida on Friday and Tennessee on Saturday. Winning both of those prob would have done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
But even if you don't count last year, that is 1 appearance in five years. 20%. Still needs to be 2 out 5.
Who is Dietrick White? I remember Dietrick "SLeepy" Slater, because he always looked tired in his photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Botom line - if you can't remember one of the best players on the team, it wasn't as good as you remember. Let your hate of Stans go man....
Probably because Frazier was injured a pretty decent part of the schedule. Charles Rhodes ended up being great, but he and Walter Sharpe weren't ready as freshmens. Other than them, we had Piotr Stelmach, Big Feces, and Jamal Edmondson coming off the bench, so we had no bench play. And Ervin was not a playmaker at point guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Ben is at 25%. He has been here 5 years and there have been 4 NCAA tournaments in that time. He made one of them. 1/4 = 25%. Maths is hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
There wasn't a whole lot to indicate Stans was going to be good his first few years. The only thing you could say for him is he was young enough to learn. But he got the right mix of players and we were suddenly good with basically the same coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
Howland can do the same thing. He may not, but the guys he is recruiting (now) seem to be pretty good character guys. It's not ridiculous to think he's going to put together a mix of guys that will gel.
Howland actually got hurt by not starting from closer to scratch. He actually inherited several upperclassmen that were solid pieces. They just needed to be support pieces, and we ended up spending a year giving significant minutes to develop seniors that were role players. Then he got bit by players that couldn't be kept happy because they were 60% as good as they thought they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The only year that deserves a lot of criticism to me is last year. He underachieved. Can talk about not having Nick for however many games, but still should have been safely in the tournament. This is probably his best coaching job to date at MSU and he's getting raked over the coals for how shitty he did last year.
There is a difference in being a Stans hater and a realist.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I loved Stans and thought he did well considering our basketball history. I think most people bring up stans in defense of what Howland has done so far. They aren't hating on Stans, simply pointing out to Howland haters that Stans wasn't really any better and took over a much better situation than Howland did.
Nobody in our fanbase should hate either of them as they have both performed at about the same clip so if you were satisfied with what Stans did there should be no reason to be unsatisfied with what Howland has done so far. You can't have it both ways. Either both suck or both were a tick above average for our history here. They are extremely similar.
Seriously? Did ya think about researching before making an ass out of yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...tate/1999.html
14 years. Stans made 6 NCAA and 5 nit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Ben is not close to that right now. He may can get there though if we give him time.
Stands inherited a ready made program. Howland has had to rebuild- there is a difference. Not to mention how much harder it is now vs when Stands coached. There is no more weak SEC West where Stands got to play a divided schedule. He played the best teams in the SEC once. We have played Kentucky home and Away multiple times under Howland.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Howland has us back to Stands level- Bubble team year after year. We have dropped a little this year due to what we lost- but nobody doubts we will be strong next season. Howland is Stands. Better recruiter than Coach.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
53 -27 - conference USA record in 5 years - Rick Stansbury says hello from Western Kentucky.
He is the least successful WK coach since then the 1950’sQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawsonmsu
And our most successful since integration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And we ran him off. Just To take a decade to be close to getting back to where we were when he left. Mind boggling decision.
Ready made program? He took over a program that was coming off two straight seasons of sucking and not have a winning record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I?m here for the pathetic excuses. I?m always amazed what the great basketball minds we are privileged to have here come up with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawsonmsu
The program was a shitshow at the end of his tenure. Certainly not so bad that we should have run him off without a plan, but the decision to move in a different direction was perfectly understandable. Stans had lost the team and was compromised as far as instilling discipline again. Decision could have even been made a year earlier although that would have made having a viable replacement lined up that much harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Stans was a good coach for us overall. The program was really good at times and not so good at times. We generally underachieved compared to our talent outside of the Road dogs year, but overachieved compared to our program resources and status. Basically the same thing Howland is doing now except Howland hasn't had a high peak yet and hasn't had a real valley yet since getting the program on its feet, although last year was a pretty bad underachievement.
There is a reason Williams was fired and it wasn't just his extracurricular activities. It was his extracurricular activities while underperforming. That said, Stans didn't take over a Rick Ray program.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
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Originally Posted by Coach34