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12-03-2019, 06:15 PM
ScottH

Cohen is an amateur.
12-03-2019, 06:27 PM
bobcat91

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The people who can do that pass it to people who will post it on a message board. What gets me is that I'm hearing that Cohen is blaming Keenum and Keenum is blaming Cohen. If that's true- that's a ****ing problem.

John does nothing without Keenums approval. That's where those who want to assign blame can look.
12-03-2019, 06:32 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by fader2103

I am tired of these, I know someone who is friends with someone who found out something.

I want someone to come out and say John Cohen told me this personally.

Everything you saw posted here Thursday, was told to many media people by the horse, I mean gelding himself. That?s why the ones I know were shocked at the announcement. Anything other than a convincing win, and they were told SloMo was gone. A sloppy ass win that could have easily been a loss and they all expected the gelding to follow through on his initial word.

After the game there was some funny business and a certain someone backed out of the initial agreement and started acting like a petulant brat with threats.
12-03-2019, 06:33 PM
was21

Cohen is actually pretty small minded , petty and sometimes pulls bush league stunts publicity wise
12-03-2019, 06:37 PM
RougeDawg

Can someone refresh my memory. Did Vic walk into a top 15 team with multiple future professional players? Maybe I missed that part.

If The Gelding really did say this, he needs to be fired before SloMo is.
12-03-2019, 06:40 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Can someone refresh my memory. Did Vic walk into a top 15 team with multiple future professional players? Maybe I missed that part.

If The Gelding really did say this, he needs to be fired before SloMo is.

I’m surprised he didn’t compare Joe to himself to be honest. Would have been a much better comparison for sure. Except Joe has been more successful in years one and two.

Should have gotten the brat to agree to that deal in writing. Hindsight is 20/20.
12-03-2019, 07:11 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

No, he isn't dumb enough to post it on social media but I can assure you it was said. I won't give anymore details but you dang well know if one player feels like that there are many others.

The 247 guys have mentioned that some Of the older guys have not bought in. If the person you are talking about is an older guy that will actually be a little bit encouraging because it gives me hope that the younger guys that Joe actually recruited will be giving more effort and have more belief that this can work.
12-03-2019, 07:15 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

John does nothing without Keenums approval. That's where those who want to assign blame can look.

Well, I guess that’s pretty smart since he works for him. I don’t agree with my boss sometimes but I usually end up giving in. It’s pretty lucrative.
12-03-2019, 07:23 PM
AROB44

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Well, I guess that?s pretty smart since he works for him. I don?t agree with my boss sometimes but I usually end up giving in. It?s pretty lucrative.

Makes sense to me...
12-03-2019, 07:38 PM
Saltydog

Yes, it is an upperclassman. I get what you're saying but a lot of the younger guys look up to the juniors and seniors to set the tone. I guess we'll see and you may certainly be correct about the guys he's brought in but that's only one class.
12-03-2019, 07:44 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

John does nothing without Keenums approval. That's where those who want to assign blame can look.

People say that- but I'm not so sure.

I posted from my source that we were going to hire Kenny Payne as our HC because that's who Keenum told him that is who we were going to hire.
I posted from my source that we were going to get rid of Moorhead- because that is what Keenum told him was going to happen.

I have a hard time believing Keenum lies to people that have their names on buildings. That doesn't keep you in your position very long
12-03-2019, 07:53 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Coach34

People say that- but I'm not so sure.

I posted from my source that we were going to hire Kenny Payne as our HC because that's who Keenum told him that is who we were going to hire.
I posted from my source that we were going to get rid of Moorhead- because that is what Keenum told him was going to happen.

I have a hard time believing Keenum lies to people that have their names on buildings. That doesn't keep you in your position very long

Tongue and cheek here: Keenum and Cohen used the sources to make fans think Moorhead was gone to get people to the game.
12-03-2019, 07:57 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by parabrave

:confused: says it all. Compare JoMo 1st 2 years to Vics'. Says JOMO is smart and he (Cohen) likes to surround himself with Smart people, BTW So did Westmoreland,. Talks about how he loves JOMOs recruitingv style and he told JOMO that this bowl game is business and must be treated like a business trip. But nothing about JOMOs coaching ability/

Oh my, he didn't just try to compare Joe to Vic??? Whew talk about disconnected. Now we see where the problem is. The only comparison of Joe is with Croom.

Joe needs to take notes from Vic who has played and won championships. He could learn about that championship standard.
12-03-2019, 08:26 PM
bobcat91

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Originally Posted by Coach34

People say that- but I'm not so sure.

I posted from my source that we were going to hire Kenny Payne as our HC because that's who Keenum told him that is who we were going to hire.
I posted from my source that we were going to get rid of Moorhead- because that is what Keenum told him was going to happen.

I have a hard time believing Keenum lies to people that have their names on buildings. That doesn't keep you in your position very long

If that is the case, the AD out doing his own thing would be out looking for a job. But he is still employed
12-03-2019, 08:37 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Oh my, he didn't just try to compare Joe to Vic??? Whew talk about disconnected. Now we see where the problem is. The only comparison of Joe is with Croom.

Joe needs to take notes from Vic who has played and won championships. He could learn about that championship standard.

The sad part is we have a large portion of our fans that are eating this up. Blind sheep...
12-03-2019, 08:41 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

If that is the case, the AD out doing his own thing would be out looking for a job. But he is still employed

That's not entirely accurate, there are a lot more politics in play, it's not as simple as you are laying it out to be.
12-03-2019, 08:43 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

The sad part is we have a large portion of our fans that are eating this up. Blind sheep...

Exactly as they want them to.
12-03-2019, 08:48 PM
Mjoelner34

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Tongue and cheek here: Keenum and Cohen used the sources to make fans think Moorhead was gone to get people to the game.

Ive been wondering the same thing Jack. As split as the fanbase is on Moorhead, it was a packed house with everyone pulling for a win Thursday night.
12-03-2019, 08:58 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

If that is the case, the AD out doing his own thing would be out looking for a job. But he is still employed

The AD's job at the end of the day comes down to Booster backing- hell look at Keith Carter. He sang Luke's praises 2 weeks ago- fired him Sunday because he was told to by the Boosters. Money controls everything at the end of the day. Cohen had some money backing to keep Joe or he wouldn't have stood pat.
12-03-2019, 09:18 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

I don't have any inside info from anyone in the AD but I can unequivocally tell you this first hand.

I know for a fact that one of the players made the comment today that "the system doesn't fit in the SEC. Great guy but not a great coach".

You can be the smartest sob to ever step foot on the sideline but that doesn't make you a great coach, AT ALL. I think that's where a lot of people are missing boat. If the players don't buy in, nothing else matters. END OF STORY!

I'm concerned Cohen seems to be eaten up with trying to have an "intellectual" coach as his #1 criteria. That may work in some sports, including baseball, but not football. I personally don't think Cohen would have even hired Mullen had it been Cohen's choice. Mullen's playbook didn't have enough plays with 5 or 6 different QB reads. Wondering if the more complex something is the more Cohen is impressed.
12-03-2019, 09:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Jarius

The 247 guys have mentioned that some Of the older guys have not bought in. If the person you are talking about is an older guy that will actually be a little bit encouraging because it gives me hope that the younger guys that Joe actually recruited will be giving more effort and have more belief that this can work.

What the heck is up with that? I really don't understand that if true to be honest with you. Not buying in hurts all- not just them. If they really think that they should probably hit the portal and it kind of makes me wonder why they are staying.

Of course it could be BS.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Tongue and cheek here: Keenum and Cohen used the sources to make fans think Moorhead was gone to get people to the game.

LOL.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The AD's job at the end of the day comes down to Booster backing- hell look at Keith Carter. He sang Luke's praises 2 weeks ago- fired him Sunday because he was told to by the Boosters. Money controls everything at the end of the day. Cohen had some money backing to keep Joe or he wouldn't have stood pat.

Yep. The boosters are really the ones running the show. Cohen is simply their face.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I'm concerned Cohen seems to be eaten up with trying to have an "intellectual" coach as his #1 criteria. That may work in some sports, including baseball, but not football. I personally don't think Cohen would have even hired Mullen had it been Cohen's choice. Mullen's playbook didn't have enough plays with 5 or 6 different QB reads. Wondering if the more complex something is the more Cohen is impressed.

As I've said before Cohen wants to be the smartest guy in the room. Oddly enough some of the best football coaches I've ever seen are pretty intellectual. Bill Walsh, Bill Belllichick, Paul Brown, off the top of my head. The difference is those coaches demanded that their teams be physical. Joe- not so much. Of course he's not in those coaches stratosphere anyway. He may think he is but...
12-03-2019, 09:50 PM
Churchill

He is what some would call a pseudo intellectual.
12-03-2019, 10:03 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I would hope we can be open minded. If we are 5-0 going into the bye next year then everybody needs to be pulling the rope.

If we were worth a shit we would be. We easily could be 5-0 going into it, but if you have any shred of confidence that Moorhead can get us there then I have some ocean front property to sell you in Starkville
12-03-2019, 10:17 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

General Westmoreland? He surrounded himself with ?Yes-men? just as his predecessor, General Harkins did. Like Harkins, he was a blind fool.
As for Moorhead, I was all for firing him. However, had we done so, we would be in the same shape as Ole Miss is now. Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed. Is he The Answer? Perhaps not, but firing a guy after two seasons probably would not have ended well. Have a plan in place next year to quickly replace him should things go to Hell in a hand basket. Look at the sh-t show that is now Ole Miss and that would be us had we run him off. As a consequence of the Egg Bowl disaster, Ole Miss?s hand was forced, and they were caught flat-footed. It may work out for them, but from where I?m sitting, it does not look promising.

Yep, I'm convinced that even besides the money issue with the buyout, Cohen and probably even moreso Keenum were very concerned about the optics of lil' ol' MSU firing a coach after year 2 that just made a bowl for the 2nd year and is 2-0 against OM. I'm not sure either of them believe in JoMo any more than a lot of the fans but they just didn't want to deal with any blowback. Say what you want but Luke is a different story. I know about sanctions, but still he has had 2 losing seasons and his teams have repeatedly done embarrassing things in the Egg Bowls he has coached.
12-03-2019, 10:37 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

As I've said before Cohen wants to be the smartest guy in the room. Oddly enough some of the best football coaches I've ever seen are pretty intellectual. Bill Walsh, Bill Belllichick, Paul Brown, off the top of my head. The difference is those coaches demanded that their teams be physical. Joe- not so much. Of course he's not in those coaches stratosphere anyway. He may think he is but...

For it to work at MSU, he would have to be a hardass intellectual. I'm convinced of that. Nice guy coaches never work for us.
12-04-2019, 12:51 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

For it to work at MSU, he would have to be a hardass intellectual. I'm convinced of that. Nice guy coaches never work for us.

I agree. That's true of any football coach. I remember Bill Walsh had a big sign in the locker room saying " I WILL NOT BE OUTHIT ANYTIME THIS SEASON" and the entire team signed it. Being physical is a non-negotiable in football.
12-04-2019, 12:53 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yep, I'm convinced that even besides the money issue with the buyout, Cohen and probably even moreso Keenum were very concerned about the optics of lil' ol' MSU firing a coach after year 2 that just made a bowl for the 2nd year and is 2-0 against OM. I'm not sure either of them believe in JoMo any more than a lot of the fans but they just didn't want to deal with any blowback. Say what you want but Luke is a different story. I know about sanctions, but still he has had 2 losing seasons and his teams have repeatedly done embarrassing things in the Egg Bowls he has coached.

I think Tutor Gate had a lot to do with it too. Our defense was obviously better with Gay, Autry, and Murphy. Add in QB injuries and that's enough of an excuse for some people. Plus winning the Egg Bowl gave him some more leeway. If Tutor Gate doesn't happen we may very well have a new head coach.
12-04-2019, 12:54 AM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

General Westmoreland? He surrounded himself with ?Yes-men? just as his predecessor, General Harkins did. Like Harkins, he was a blind fool.
As for Moorhead, I was all for firing him. However, had we done so, we would be in the same shape as Ole Miss is now. Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed. Is he The Answer? Perhaps not, but firing a guy after two seasons probably would not have ended well. Have a plan in place next year to quickly replace him should things go to Hell in a hand basket. Look at the sh-t show that is now Ole Miss and that would be us had we run him off. As a consequence of the Egg Bowl disaster, Ole Miss?s hand was forced, and they were caught flat-footed. It may work out for them, but from where I?m sitting, it does not look promising.

I disagree with "cooler heads prevailed." Moorhead should have been fired..
12-04-2019, 01:27 AM
DeputyDawg94

So, he likes to surround himself with smart people. That’s nice and all, but I like to win football games.
I wonder if Bill Gates is interested in our coaching position next year? Can’t get much smarter than that.
Sure wish we could of hired Einstein a few years back.
12-04-2019, 12:54 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Exactly. You would probably not be too shocked at the pull Ole Miss has on the hill in Jackson.

That's because most of the legislature went to school there, and I don't mean for law school. I'll get ridiculed for this statement, but until we start electing qualified officials with Mississippi State ties, then we'll forever be second fiddle. And not just because the Virginia Slims and our admin think we're second fiddle, although that's a major problem too.
12-04-2019, 01:02 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

That's not entirely accurate, there are a lot more politics in play, it's not as simple as you are laying it out to be.

No kidding. How hard is it to figure out the Virginia Slims put The Gelding/Spineless Bastard in place and are keeping him there, at least for now? Keenum may want to do something and not have the pull to get it done because of the Virginia Slims. It all circles back to them at some point.

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