Side note, but as others have said, Joe going to Rutgers is dead...
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Side note, but as others have said, Joe going to Rutgers is dead...
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You reconcile them by remembering who you are and who you are NOT. I am NOT a condescending, arrogant, smirking, better than you, entitled, Diddy's boy, Rebel BearShark Confederate prick. THAT is how I reconcile it and why I consider anyone who ever roots for them against us to be one of THEM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
For one thing I'm a winner not a loser and I don't ever want to lose. For another Joe may be gone even if we win, so I'm always gonna pull for us to win, no matter who the opponent is(it doesn't have to be ole miss), i'm always gonna pull for us to win period. You can feel however you want to and I don't have to reconcile anything in my mind because I don't over analyze every single thing like you do. Emotional people like you jump from one emotion to another like a road lizard, me not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Our talent on the offensive side of the ball that he inherited was also fool's gold. Don't let what the defense had cloud your thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I guess my problem is that I could never pull against State, especially the egg bowl even if we benefited from it regarding a much needed coaching change. I'm just not emotionally strong enough to go there because losing to ole miss is a gut punch to me that hurts bad for at least 3 days.
GREAT POST.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Do we have any actionable intel that is the case? Where would he go? Rutgers is done and out of the question. Any other outlets implying he is being looked at for other jobs? I'm just looking for some hope here but I'm highly concerned Joe leaving on his own is just a pipe dream at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I'll qualify that by saying they aren't all that way, but there are enough of them. Even the one's that aren't get that way about sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
No. Rutgers was the only one and that was mostly just the usual Rebel controlled outlets. They went quiet because we are doing their work for them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
LOL! Yeah, okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Joe's doing the work all by himself. Good grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
If our offense just stayed pat from 2017, we win 10 games. We averaged 26.3 points per game in conference in 2017 and returned a vast majority of our scoring and knew Hill was ready to run and add to our offense. In fact 26 points in every conference last year gives us an 11-1 regular season record with only losing to Kentucky as they scored 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
There's a number of folks with big checkbooks that completely fell off the fence after the ut debacle and the snowball has only gotten larger with the other crap shows he's produced since then. The embarrassing way we've played this year has pissed off a lot of people. Even winning the Egg may not save him. It's a waiting game at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
Well it’s been pretty much stuck on Schiano for a while now for Rutgers but the New Jersey reporting was truthful with Moorehead and have absolutely no connection to UM. That’s just not true. He was a candidate by the AD but the UT game hurt his position as far as Rutgers was concerned. The board has wanted Schiano the whole time so there has been a bit of a power struggle. They still are awaiting the approval for all of Schaino’s demands to be met but should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Yep, This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
A lot to comb through in this thread. First off, there was hardly any sort of consensus that Mullen was coaching for his job in the 13 Egg Bowl. There was some disappointment, but it was a vast minority that even mentioned him being fired if we lost that game. So to say that the chatter was THIS loud for him to be coaching for his job in 13 is some reach and revisionist history. Secondly, the 2018 offense looking backwards had at least 3 NFL OL, maybe more, a future all-SEC and pro RB (Hill), two other 1000 yard rushers (Aeris and Fitz). WR talent was lacking, but anyone with any sense would reasonably expect an offense with that sort of talent makeup to be able to score more than 7, 6, 3 and 0 in 4 out of 5 losses. Now, on to the Egg Bowl dilemma. If it is truly win or go home for JM, I think a fan that truly cares about the LONG TERM health of the program can rationalize hoping to lose. I get that. Problem is, no one really knows if that is the case at hand. I am glad to see the rhetoric is shifting towards it being a win or go home game. That's a positive sign. I mean are we going to take this football thing seriously or just drop back into the shadows? Because if we are going to be serious about it, losing to this OM team at home is a fireable offense.
LOL... Bo has set up shop in Shutgun's head and is living there rent free!!!
Bounds is throwing out speculative, theoretical benchmarks regarding Joe's employment and we have people (I won't call them fans) who immediately jump on that and now are publicly stating they will root for Ole Miss against us.
You folks have lost your damn minds. I don't give a shit if we have Tudorgate II in the next week and we can only dress out 11 guys who have to play both sides of the ball. There is not one single thing that would cause me to root for the Rebels to beat us. The ****ers intentionally broke our QB's ankle two years ago for God's sake!!!
Let’s not be ridiculous here. You can be super skeptical of Joe and still want us to win the Egg Bowl. Those two things can exist simultaneously, unlike what some would lead you to believe.
Joe has issues, and I personally think he will eventually be fired. But I’m not so jaded to the point that I think it’s impossible that he could ever do a good job here. An Egg Bowl loss would probably be the nail in the coffin for me, but at 6-6 with an Egg Bowl win I feel like is not just this inexcusably bad season. It’s not what I would call good, and there will still be pressure on him next year, but I think it’s only fair to root for him to win out this year and prove us wrong next year. If it doesn’t work out, we will move on. But I am not convinced we have reached the point of no return yet. An Egg Bowl loss would probably do it, but I’m not going actively root for that to happen.
I'd never root for us to lose the Egg Bowl. The chances that we get someone as successful as Mullen aren't great.
You forgot we also returned another 1,000 yard back in Aeris, and that was nearly a fireable offense in his misuse or should I say un-use last season. We legitimately had the potential for 3 1,000 yard rushers last season and man staying on that would have opened up the pass game so more for us throughout the year. But it’s done nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
I hope we beat them by a FG but it is because we had like 3 pick 6s.
Maybe, but we still couldn't pass the ball. That became more and more apparent over the THREE years. Our receiving corps was NOT good last year and it's not much better (if any) this year. It's easy to stop the run for decent defenses when you know you really don't have to worry about the pass. That's been the common denominator since 2015. If we can't run it on you, we struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
He was referring to Joe possibly leaving on his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I‘ll never root for an OM win. Can’t do it, makes me sick to think about it. But if beating a 4-7 team makes the mess of the other 23 games ease your mind, your bar is set way way too low or it’s because it’s OM. If it takes beating a losing team, then he is not the guy. It really doesn’t help him because of the track record of the other horrid preparations and game plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
And we couldn't pass the ball consistently. I don't care who you have blocking and running the ball. In modern football if you don't have a credible passing threat good defenses WILL stop you. That is what happened the last thee years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
And yet we won 9 in 2017...I hear what you are saying but we didn’t have the passing in 2017 but we still scored 26 points per game in conference. Just stay at the margin and we win a min of 10 games last year. Passing or not we win 10 games min. LSU was 19-3, that’s a win and we blew them out in 2017 running the ball. Florida...26 points was plenty to beat them. Heck we didn’t need 26 points to beat LSU and Florida last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
In 2017 we passed it effectively against anyone not named Ga & AU, which the Ga D was better than any this year except Clemson & OSU may be close to as good. The AU D was probably a top 5 this year. That was with all Jrs. I believe they would have progressed to be better in 2018 with another year of experience and also the only D that rivaled those 2 Ds in SEC last year was our D. We played no Ds that rivaled those 2 last year. Plus, we dropped Ga for a much lesser FL team. When you have a FItz/Aeris combo, you can set up the pass better. Aeris pass blocking helped too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Beating Ole Miss doesn’t change the fact that next year is high pressure for Joe. But to get fired after two years you have to be a total disaster (see Chad Morris and Wille Taggart). At 6-6, it’s still a disappointing year, but I don’t think it’s a DEFCON 1, have to fire him right now situation. It leaves the door cracked just enough to think that perhaps there’s a chance next year will be better with no tutor gate and a clear commitment to one guy at QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Ok, what ever makes you feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Are you still an Ole Miss fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
They fired Taggert at 4-5, Moorehead is 4-6. FSU knew last year was a rebuild and that is Moorehead’s only advantage. He miss managed a much much better team in 2018. Otherwise they are about the same. They still may go to a bowl game while firing their coach mid-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
I’m sorry there has been nothing for 2 years and 22 games that shows next year will be better and beating a 4-7 team won’t change that either. Your bar is way too low
This is spot on. The only sure thing at this point is if we lose. If we win..... who knows. Could go either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I'm going to say something that will get me blasted. It sucks, but it is the TRUTH. We ain't Florida State. There is the rub. Us doing it will not be perceived the same way as them doing it. People are going to bring up Arkansas as well. Their team this year might be the worst SEC team in the last 40 years, and they were almost as bad last year. It would be between them and Tech and 10 here. We aren't even the worst team THIS year. They won't be perceived like we will be either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I absolutely do not want to lose to those jerks. I can?t root for that. I agree that if we lose it helps joe out the door much faster which would be 17n great. But as I said in another thread, if we are going to lose I hope it?s a skull 17ing between 2 dumpster fires on a sinking ship that?s on fire type bad so there is no doubt what needs to happen. I do agree that losing is best for the future of the program unless he?s leaving on his own which is what I think happens. He ain?t happy here and we ain?t happy with him here, and he knows a majority of state fans want him gone. But damn its gonna suck to lose to those jackasses.
Ever heard of the old saying "dress for the job you want not the one you have"? If we aspire to be taken seriously in this thing called college football, losing to this OM team is unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
There are or have been times that would be true but the perception in the football world and among college coaches that have been spoken too, they see a bad, unprepared and subpar teaching product on the field as well. The perception in that world would NOT be negative toward us at all. And we have had agents reach out to us with interest. That is just not the case with were we are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
If you mean media perception, that will not be as bad as you think either but even if it is, so what?!? They have never done us any favors anyway. We have to disregard that stuff and do what is right for the program. Because they are NOT effecting the coaching circle and they are the ones that matter. And with them, they plainly see the issues as well. It’s not a negative for us this time.
Back at you bruh. We passed the ball effectively against LSU & Bama in 2017 with all-juniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Big difference between Jrs without Sr leadership and Srs and almost always is. But you have to have played on teams like that to fully understand that. Having an all Jr team perform in 2017 like they did is really exceptional at MSU.
If anyone on this board saw our 2014 O being what it was after 2013 they be lying. I did see potential but didn't think it would play as well as it did. Difference was a healthy Dak, another year of experience by WRs, and Senior Oline.
Deddrick Thomas starts last year under Mullen. Joe finally started him again this year. Guidry doesn't unless he catches ball and blocks. Mullen damn sure wouldn't coddle him like Joe does. Austin Williams never starts. Mixon doesn't get run off. Aeris starts. Joe made a lot of negative moves along these lines.
ETA: And our Oline would've kept blocking and probably better in 2018, instead of being retrained by Joe/Johnson to play patty cake.
Ditto here. Need a win and a change. If Joe were to truly change and become Saban in eggbowl then OK, he can stay but that ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by wild_dawg