I guess you don't understand he's racking up yards and points in mop up and backups playing. We've only been in 1 game with him as the starter. Our average losing score is almost 19 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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I guess you don't understand he's racking up yards and points in mop up and backups playing. We've only been in 1 game with him as the starter. Our average losing score is almost 19 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
It's not like Fitz didn't run a ton vs KY & FL though. He had 28 carries vs Auburn, 16 carries vs A&M, 16 vs KY, & 20 vs FL. They didn't suddenly change the offense against A&M & Auburn. The reason why they passed more against KY & FL was because they shut the running game down. 20yds vs KY, 32yds vs FL, 88yds vs A&M, & 195yds vs Auburn. We were constantly in 2nd & 3rd & long vs KY & FL where as we controlled the line of scrimmage against A&M & Auburn & played ahead of the chains.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Kentucky? And no the stats don?t show that KT was/is better. KT struggled in the spring too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
And KT racked up most of his stats against Stephen F Austin. And still couldn’t complete half of his passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I agree with everything you just said. He tried his best to tweak his offense with Fitz last year & not really open it up. He ran Fitz a ton Bc that's what he's good at the offense was just usually disjointed. This offseason he said I have to get me a guy who can run my offense. KT got a full spring to go through his offense & Joe decided nope he can't run the offense the way I want it to run. He decided to get a QB who he felt could run the offense. It happened to be Tommy Stevens. It could've been Kelly Bryant, or 1 or 2 other guys he pursued. Tommy came & won the job, which isn't surprising, Bc he's a better fit for the offense. Unfortunately he got hurt. By that time KT has decided he doesn't want to play at MSU anymore & Mayden is suspended. Shrader took the job & ran with it. Is he a finished product? No. Does he make mistakes? Yes. However in my opinion he's shown he has the potential to be a very good SEC QB.
Actually he only carried it 14 times against Florida - the other 6 carries were sacks. Same with Kentucky - 13 carries - with 3 sacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Also a few of those carries were designed pass plays that ended up as runs because no one was open.
I'm just saying that it seemed to me, and maybe I'm alone on this that after the Florida loss our offense became much more Fitz running power runs. At times it didn't help, but we certainly were going to win and lose games on Fitz' legs. It didn't feel that way in the FL/KY games, hence the 9 sacks in two games.
I agree with that also. I think after KY & FL he realized I really don't have the OT to keep the QB up for these deeper routes & tried to adjust the best way he know how within his system. It's not like Mullen left his playbook in the desk drawer & was like "if you ever get in a bind these are Fitz go to plays". I just think after the roller coaster year last year on offense he decided I'm running my stuff & I need someone I'm confident who can run it. I don't fault him for that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
What is funny is that I agree with you that Shrader definitely has potential to be a very good SEC QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I just think for this year alone I would have liked to have seen another season of run first QB with KT at the helm, but it looks like that ship sailed the minute we signed Tommy.
I just hate wasting a season - i'm not saying KT would have led us to 9 wins - far from it - I just think we win the KSU and Tenn game with him. I could be way off. I'm also probably just longing for the Mullen offense an KT running it, because I was looking forward to it for several seasons and now that we are running a 50/50 offense it looks pretty much what I expected which is inconsistent because we don't have good enough WR's or elite enough OT's to run that type of offense.
I just hope we win out and win the bowl game so we can try and turn this around, because barring a blowout on Thanksgiving, we aren't firing a second year coach. Its not in our DNA. Its possible, but I don't see it happening - especially because John hired him. If we had a new AD I'd think there is a chance, but its just not happening.
Yea it's why you can't take these so called experts seriously. Funny they try to rewrite history. Remember there's Always a post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
Heck over the last few weeks Shrader has been running zone read with passes here and there. Joe ran Fitz more than Mullen. Part of that can be defenses dictating things. Joe is lost and so is his offensive philosophy. KT should have been his bridge to Shrader, his QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Now some think Shrader will leave if Joe leaves, so be it. This why Cohen needs to pull the trigger. Go get Napier or similar. This may salvage our QB depth and use the OL for what it was built for.
But a good coach adapts to his current team. Joe has proven he's can't or too stubborn to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Then why would our fans want a QB they has been proven to be a worse passer and roughly the same as a runner in KT? Even in a run first offense you would still take Shrader over KT.Quote:
Originally Posted by BhamDawg205
It’s not adapt to the upper class players. It’s adapt to who the best players on your team are.
If Shrader, Joe's recruited QB, beat out KT in the spring or take over during the season 80-90% of fans would be ok. Shrader seems to have the intangibles, but still not ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
KT has won and don't give the competition excuse, you play who on the schedule. Dak wasn't the the best passer, but by 2014 you could see the profession.
So Mullen didn't adapt to the roster he inherited? Hill was the best overall RB in 2018. I think Gibson has shown more than Hill. I know Gibson fumbled, but how many drives this year and last Hill refusal to pass block ended drives. Joe's has history of not putting the best players in. So did Mullen, but did adjust offense to team's strengths.
Mullen adapted until he got his Dak and now with Tasker.
Well... I don't know KT personally and don't know if he can comprehend an offense. I thought he was going to be better, but the more you saw him play, he never took a step forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
Mostly, I'm surprised that his body never got thicker. He's essentially the same size now as he was when he got on campus.
KT didn’t win shit........
He didn’t beat Lamar Jackson.... Our defense did.
He SUCKED against Steven F Austin, but our defense was the best in the country.
Newsflash: Shrader did best KT out and 90% of our fans and probably more are OK with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BhamDawg205
Shrader is ahead of KT right now as a freshman. Analytically he is one of the best QB’s in the league and one of the best freshmen QB’s in the country. He has actually been better against SEC teams than he has against OOC teams.
I’m confused why some of our fans think he’s better? He’s just simply not. In fact he’s pretty bad. No one was jumping to get him when he was in the transfer portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I don't think he's bad at all. I just don't think he's a good fit for this offense. I can definitely see him going to a run spread system & playing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
KT is the reason he's not playing not Shrader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Meh, QB is a crap shoot. Because LSU hot the lottery with Burrow doesn?t mean it?s always going to work that way. Hell, Burrow was underwhelming last year.
Which makes sense. All this rhetoric of Shrader keeping him off the field is ludacris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If you can’t complete 50% of your passes as a QB you’re not a good fit for any offense in today’s game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
He played 3 games. 2 as a True Freshman & 1 as a Sophomore. Nobody expects him to become Tom Brady but to think he wasn't going to improve some as a passer is just inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Originally Posted by MD2020
I do think Shrader is a better QB.
KT was ahead of where Fitz was. Fitz was around a 52-55% passer but that was enough to open up his running ability. The same with KT if you knew how to call plays to his strengths. Moorhead doesn't know how to fit the offense to his players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Hence the "I do think" part.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
I do know Shrader doesn’t have or had the “yips” nor did he quit his team..Quote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
Facts.
Quitting huh? If you've waited your time and earned the starting job after the spring to have it given to someone else I'd look for honesty and loyalty too. He did what was best for him. No fault in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
So what if we had gotten Kelly Bryant, which we almost landed, would that had been ok??Quote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
With all of Joes faults and there are many , I don’t think trying to get the best QB here in his opinion to make us better is a bad thing.
I have no issue with KT wanting to transfer , but who is to say he EARNED anything.. and yeah entering the transfer portal a week or 2 before the season starting isn’t a good look.
He earned the starting job in the spring. Stevens was given the job before practicing. That's terrible on Moorehead. Any coach that promises playing time without earning it regardless of who the player is terrible. It's even worst when the player has no experience. Whenever Stephens was named the starter whether it was the 1st game or two weeks transferring before was best for him. Kudos for having the courage to start life's experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Well I guess Eddie O made a terrible decision as well with Burrow. because his numbers were very similar to TSQuote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
And he was the starter before he got on campus.
Again I have no issue with KT or whatever decision he makes..
I hope he is the starter and has success next year wherever it is he transfers too..
And just a quick comparison when it comes to so called loyalty with coaches and QBs at programs ...
Does anyone think that Tyler Russell who waited his turn here would have started over Cam Newton if he had ended up a Dawg?
Did Joe **** up the QB situation? Maybe so. But it’s not the reason this team is 3-5.
I agree with the multiple points you've stated. However, ED O's situation of a two year proven guy and a bench warmer transfer is not similar at all. Cam didn't come so there's also no comparison. The team is 3-5 because Joe can't coach and is struggling with his decision making. I think Shrader is a serviceable Qb. However, my opinion you go with a proven guy that teammates trust and has earned the responsibility of starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Burrows stats were basically the same as Tommy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD2020
There is a reason KT got limited snaps in the 2018 season... And it wasnt because Fitz was lightening it up on the field. I’m not sure how old you are but does the name Chuck Knoblauch or Steve Sax ring a bell.. Hopefully it’s a non issue now and 100% in the past.
And as a true freshman right now I’m Taking Garrett over any freshman QB that is playing / starting in the SEC ...
To be honest when Joe was named as HC I thought KT might be his guy once he got here and saw both Fitz and KT in the spring and how they ran his system.
If KT really has the yips and can't complete passes, why has he not gotten a shot at WR? The guy is very athletic. Is it just he wants to play QB no matter what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I agree with you bro. Great post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I’m not asking him to be Tom Brady. I’m asking him to complete half his passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Again he's played 3 games. It's a little early to say he can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Shrader can. With two years less experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If you look at Shrader's 1st 3 games you'd think he couldn't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State