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08-18-2019, 12:38 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

good. I know that was a big complaint from last year.

Even some of the players last year commented on the lack of 1v1, of course I think they liked the change.

Maybe more 1v1 this year is part of what joe meant when he talked about going back to more of a blue collar, physical mindset.
08-18-2019, 12:38 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Fitz could absolutely rip it. I think you are trying to hard here haha ''rpms'' Accuracy and the mental side were his issues, we are beating his dead horse into the ground around here

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.
08-18-2019, 12:57 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

I have no idea either way, but I am interested in where you get the rpms. Do we have statcast ai tracking our QBs?
08-18-2019, 01:04 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They went 1 vs 1 a lot yesterday. You could clearly hear Joe yell 1O vs 1D multiple times throughout the scrimmage.

I'm just repeating what Shoop stated...

Word for word:

Q: So how was it tonight?
Shoop: We had the No. 1 defense against the 2 offense and the No. 2 defense against the No. 1 offense. As you would expect, I thought the 1 offense moved the ball pretty well against the 2s and the 1 defense did a pretty good job against the 2 offense.
08-18-2019, 01:05 PM
BuckyIsAB****

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

Sure its not that he was inaccurate or that we dropped passes its his revolutions per minute on the ball (there is no case ever that a ball as been in the air for an entire minute) werent very good
08-18-2019, 01:07 PM
thf24

I think Shotgun is only speculating that poor rotation is a significant factor in Fitz' passing issues, but it's a good speculation because it fits the bill pretty closely in terms of the criticisms of his end result throwing the ball.

http://perceptionaction.com/poorthrow/ (Posted this once already but without much context).

tl;dr - poor rotation rate = looser and inconsistent spiral = erratic trajectory and harder to catch, which gets worse the higher the velocity.
08-18-2019, 01:13 PM
thf24

delete
08-18-2019, 01:16 PM
Coach34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach007

I'm just repeating what Shoop stated...

Word for word:

Q: So how was it tonight?
Shoop: We had the No. 1 defense against the 2 offense and the No. 2 defense against the No. 1 offense. As you would expect, I thought the 1 offense moved the ball pretty well against the 2s and the 1 defense did a pretty good job against the 2 offense.

hmmm- seems like someone is wrong. Wonder if its the coach or the message board posters?
08-18-2019, 01:21 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

hmmm- seems like someone is wrong. Wonder if its the coach or the message board posters?

I can't speak for last night but the 1st scrimmage was 1 v 1.
08-18-2019, 01:33 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I can't speak for last night but the 1st scrimmage was 1 v 1.

And last night there may have been some 1v1. Maybe the majority was just that.
08-18-2019, 03:54 PM
MaroonFlounder

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

The irony of your tagline.

I think you were fighting your own ignorance with that analysis, chief.
08-18-2019, 04:35 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I can't speak for last night but the 1st scrimmage was 1 v 1.

Reading comprehension is not a strong point for some. It was pretty clear to most of us what you posted.
08-18-2019, 05:09 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol
08-18-2019, 05:11 PM
Coach007

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

I like you.
08-18-2019, 05:29 PM
turkish

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Originally Posted by Coach34

good. I know that was a big complaint from last year.

Lmao
08-18-2019, 05:53 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Just put the QB in that can make the reads and throw a catchable ball while an SEC lineman in breathing on you. Spinning it pretty is for camp QBs and 7 on 7 ball. Just get it done.

I agree with this. Making the right reads and throwing an accurate ball are more important than RPMs.
08-18-2019, 06:01 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

Dang, that was good. Tried to rep you, but gotta spread it around...
08-18-2019, 06:09 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

The irony of your tagline.

I think you were fighting your own ignorance with that analysis, chief.

Thinking could be a dangerous activity for you. I'd stay away.

To simplify my point: Fitz has a strong arm but not a fast arm. Fast arms produce more catchable balls. Fitz throws with the strength of his body. If Fitz were 6'1" 210, he wouldn't have near as strong of an arm. Dak is even a somewhat of a strength based thrower. Guys like Pat Maholmes, Kyler Murray, Brady, Favre, Brees, etc have fast arms. Arm speed. Doesn't matter how big they are because the velocity doesn't come from their strength.
08-18-2019, 06:34 PM
RiverCityDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

100% every word
08-18-2019, 09:28 PM
Homedawg

Here's one scouting report that isn't a made up one, just scary. Jackson is a backup dt. He's played zero snaps at dt in college. Lovett played in 2 games. Etc. Autry is going to miss games... Pickering isn't ready to play but he's going to have to. Our dt situation has me bad afraid. We are going to have to blitz like crazy and that's how big plays occur. I know I know, I'm about to get jumped they we aren't falling off that much yada yada yada.... at dt we aren't falling off much, of a small cliff doesn't count
08-18-2019, 09:31 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

I have no idea either way, but I am interested in where you get the rpms. Do we have statcast ai tracking our QBs?

I don't mean to sound arrogant here, but I can see it with my eyes. For further explanation, DM me
08-18-2019, 09:32 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Here's one scouting report that isn't a made up one, just scary. Jackson is a backup dt. He's played zero snaps at dt in college. Lovett played in 2 games. Etc. Autry is going to miss games... Pickering isn't ready to play but he's going to have to. Our dt situation has me bad afraid. We are going to have to blitz like crazy and that's how big plays occur. I know I know, I'm about to get jumped they we aren't falling off that much yada yada yada.... at dt we aren't falling off much, of a small cliff doesn't count

Autry will miss games against nobodies. He won't miss games vs teams that can exploit this. Additionally, we have 4 games for the inexperienced, but talented guys to get up to speed.
08-18-2019, 09:56 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Autry will miss games against nobodies. He won't miss games vs teams that can exploit this. Additionally, we have 4 games for the inexperienced, but talented guys to get up to speed.

Glad you feel so great......
08-18-2019, 10:22 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Here's one scouting report that isn't a made up one, just scary. Jackson is a backup dt. He's played zero snaps at dt in college. Lovett played in 2 games. Etc. Autry is going to miss games... Pickering isn't ready to play but he's going to have to. Our dt situation has me bad afraid. We are going to have to blitz like crazy and that's how big plays occur. I know I know, I'm about to get jumped they we aren't falling off that much yada yada yada.... at dt we aren't falling off much, of a small cliff doesn't count

We know.
08-18-2019, 10:29 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

We know.

The scrimmage made it worse dude. Pickering isn't ready. Ok. If you don't like the info cool. But I'm sure you know....
Eta why would you even argue w me , signed Jamal Peters
08-18-2019, 10:30 PM
Coach007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Here's one scouting report that isn't a made up one, just scary. Jackson is a backup dt. He's played zero snaps at dt in college. Lovett played in 2 games. Etc. Autry is going to miss games... Pickering isn't ready to play but he's going to have to. Our dt situation has me bad afraid. We are going to have to blitz like crazy and that's how big plays occur. I know I know, I'm about to get jumped they we aren't falling off that much yada yada yada.... at dt we aren't falling off much, of a small cliff doesn't count

The plan seems to be a heavy rotation at Dt on 1st and 2nd down(with the main ones getting 20 to 25 snaps). And then all of our experienced Pass rushers on 3rd down.

BTW.. Nobody has suggested that the defense would not have a drop off. I have yet to see that posted anywhere.
08-18-2019, 10:33 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach007

The plan seems to be a heavy rotation at DL on 1st and 2nd down. And then all of our experienced Pass rushers on 3rd down.

BTW.. Nobody has suggested that the defense would not have a drop off. I have yet to see that posted anywhere.

If you don't stop them from third and short there won't be a bunch of de's on the field on third down. Smh. I'll leave it alone and watch you people figure it out. Better pray Autry gets a good result or it's really bad..... signing off to the maroon glasses.
08-18-2019, 10:35 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

The scrimmage made it worse dude. Pickering isn't ready. Ok. If you don't like the info cool. But I'm sure you know....
Eta why would you even argue w me , signed Jamal Peters

Making fun of one of our former players who got cut because he was injured? Classy. Pat yourself on the back.**

And if I remember correctly- you said that he wasn't that good and then moved the goal posts to him not being a NFL shutdown corner after he started for us for three years made a lot of key plays and made you look silly for three years.

As far as the DT thing goes- it's not about "liking it" or not. It's about you railing about it weekly to the point where we're all tired of hearing about it.

Also- the fact that Jamal got signed by a NFL team alone proves that you were wrong about Kivon Coman who never even got the chance at the NFL despite the fact that you insisted he was a much better player than Jamal. So congrats on making the 10 yard field goal to my 40 yard field goal on the original, original discussion- which I let slide for four years.
08-18-2019, 10:40 PM
Coach007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

If you don't stop them from third and short there won't be a bunch of de's on the field on third down. Smh. I'll leave it alone and watch you people figure it out. Better pray Autry gets a good result or it's really bad..... signing off to the maroon glasses.

Well hell. That's it. I'm going to burn my tickets and not even bother cause homedawg says it's pointless. Thanks for saving me gas and food expenses this year!
08-18-2019, 11:24 PM
KOdawg1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Here's one scouting report that isn't a made up one, just scary. Jackson is a backup dt. He's played zero snaps at dt in college. Lovett played in 2 games. Etc. Autry is going to miss games... Pickering isn't ready to play but he's going to have to. Our dt situation has me bad afraid. We are going to have to blitz like crazy and that's how big plays occur. I know I know, I'm about to get jumped they we aren't falling off that much yada yada yada.... at dt we aren't falling off much, of a small cliff doesn't count

Meh. If Autry gets suspended for the first 4 games, then it'll allow the younger guys to get their feet wet while also allowing Autry to be injury free headed into the SEC gauntlet of our schedule. You've got Lovett, Crumedy, and Kendall Jones to go along with Jackson. Then you've got Pickering and Cam Young if you have to. They're super young, but I'm not in panic mode. However, we're an injury or two away from getting even thinner. This is where getting Allen Love eligible would've been great
08-19-2019, 08:09 AM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Glad you feel so great......

Big difference between feeling great & feeling like we are going to gutted like a Sirmon defense
08-19-2019, 08:44 AM
TrapGame

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Big difference between feeling great & feeling like we are going to gutted like a Sirmon defense

I guess in Home's world the 2014 defense was pathetic. It was nowhere near 2018 level but it was considered pretty good.
08-19-2019, 11:43 AM
Bothrops

Do we know if Allen Love will get eligible anytime this season?
08-19-2019, 11:44 AM
Coach007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothrops

Do we know if Allen Love will get eligible anytime this season?

Has not been cleared yet
08-19-2019, 11:46 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothrops

Do we know if Allen Love will get eligible anytime this season?

Doesn't sound like it, yet Florida State gets a QB from the same school eligible no problem.
08-19-2019, 11:48 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Doesn't sound like it, yet Florida State gets a QB from the same school eligible no problem.

Hopefully we getting our favor on the appeal side of suspensions
08-19-2019, 12:16 PM
Bothrops

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Doesn't sound like it, yet Florida State gets a QB from the same school eligible no problem.

They got an opportunity to scew us, so I guess they are taking it.
08-19-2019, 12:24 PM
thf24

Regardless of the result, it's gross, ethically bankrupt negligence on the part of the NCAA that they obviously aren't committed to giving ALL of these kids an answer soon enough not to affect their preparation and their season. It's even worse that at first glance transfers to/from blue bloods appear to get a fast pass and more favorable rulings.
08-19-2019, 01:36 PM
BB30

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

Thanks for so eloquently stating what many of us are thinking ha ha. I feel like we are on a never ending merry go round year after year.
08-19-2019, 06:30 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Making fun of one of our former players who got cut because he was injured? Classy. Pat yourself on the back.**

And if I remember correctly- you said that he wasn't that good and then moved the goal posts to him not being a NFL shutdown corner after he started for us for three years made a lot of key plays and made you look silly for three years.

As far as the DT thing goes- it's not about "liking it" or not. It's about you railing about it weekly to the point where we're all tired of hearing about it.

Also- the fact that Jamal got signed by a NFL team alone proves that you were wrong about Kivon Coman who never even got the chance at the NFL despite the fact that you insisted he was a much better player than Jamal. So congrats on making the 10 yard field goal to my 40 yard field goal on the original, original discussion- which I let slide for four years.

He didn't get cut Bc he was injured. But carry on w your lack of knowledge on the said player. And no, I said he would never make an nfl roster. Isais he wasn't a shutdown COLLEGE corner. And he wasn't.

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