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They learned from politics. Apologize without creating a quote admitting fault. A way of our world that disheartens.
I can see this being the case. It's also possible that this type of stuff is so infrequent that they weren't 100% familiar with the plan. I work in a hospital, and, last year when a we had a tornado warning, most of us didn't remember the exact protocol because we hadn't had that happen at work. We had the risk manager there to remind us, but that is a much bigger operation than a restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
About the cussing- it's not the best look. But let's be real. It's a bar, and these are drunk college kids. They had probably been warned and asked to leave. A bar crowd is not the type you can ask politely to please leave.
A GD tornado is coming. It shouldn't matter if you're drunk or not. And they aren't exactly kids. Everyone in that bar should be at least 21 and I'm sure quite a few are a good bit older than that. You can ask or tell me whatever you want. I'm doing what I think is best for me, which probably is not leaving and getting in my car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
But getting told to find safer protection with sufficient time to spare is even better, which appears to be what they tried to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm not shocked a bunch of drunk college kids on the biggest party weekend of the spring didn't react well to being told the bar was closing early and that they need to head elsewhere. When I saw the social media uproar it definitely smelled like we weren't hearing the full story and this seems more than entirely reasonable to me.
Obviously if there was a tornado barreling down university drive, then the discussion is entirely different.
I'm sure 200+ drunk college kids who had been partying all weekend for SBW were totally reasonable and receptive to being kindly asked to vacate the premises an hour or 2 before they expected to head home.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
As if the establishment knew when and where a tornado would hit...come on man. I understand that they didn't have the capacity to safely confine that number of patrons, but making them leave would have been a trail lawyer's wet dream if anybody had been hurt or killed outside the establishment.
How old until you're not a kid anymore? The average age in there was probably 23 or so.
So would keeping them in there with the way that place is set up. It's open and almost entirely fronted by glass. If there really is an underground parking garage across the street and they told the patrons to go there, they did the right thing. Now that being said.....I had no idea there was a parking garage across the street and I've eaten at Two Brothers a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
The Parking Garage referred to is on the street that runs from 612 toward Stagger Inn. If you turn left off University at 612 it is under the first building on your left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Have any local bars jumped on the opportunity to say "we care about our customers unlike the bar that threw you out in a tornado" or whatever?
No because that’s stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
ETA- You’re not going to create stupid beefs with your peers, neighbors, and community. Guys like Ty, Jay, Dave, etc... are respected in the business.
Let me explain something to a bunch of y’all who are showing how little you know about the food and beverage business in general but especially Starkville. Ty owns a bunch of spots and is respected in the business. He’s done more for Starkville than any of those entitled kids who went out to drink during a tornado warning. Those kids will be graduated and moved on in 2 years and guess what? Ty will still be in Starkville growing his brand, creating jobs, and generating mega tax dollars. Should this situation been handled better? Yes and he said so. This so called scandal will amount to nothing. No one was hurt and everything will March on. Anybody wishing anything negative on Ty is a petulant child that needs to grow up.
Well didn't he build this on the dollar of the "entitled kids"? Once this group of "entitled kids" is gone, there will be another group to take their place. You have a pretty shitty view of the students at miss stateQuote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
No I don’t. My bil and his gf sent a pic of them in a hallway with pillows and blankets during the tornado scare. A girl that works for me was up with the weekend and did the same thing in their friend’s apartment. It’s called having a thinking brain and discernment. You want to boycott a great business man in Starkville because a small portion of drunk students went out during a tornado warning. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not boycotting anything. If the ones that were there feel it was worthy of boycotting, then do it. Why were the students dumb for being out and the owner of the business above reproach while having the business open during a tornado warning? Seems you just wanna side with the owner no matter what when both are to blameQuote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
And while we’re here let’s make something clear. MSU has what, 20k students? The vast majority are not entitled and work their butt off at school, their jobs, and take out loans to go to school. I’m very pro student and wish the city wouldn’t fight progress. However, this isn’t one of those situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by msstate7
You’re damn right I’m going to side with Ty over a handful of dramatic, drunk 22 year olds. Is that even a real question? Ty acknowledged numerous mistakes in his statement. I’ve been a drunk 22 year old at State and I would never side with that me. Lmao
Fair enough hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
I've been to bars many times and not been drunk though, so probably unfair at the same time to say it was just drunks
Look, I like you, but you're full of shit on this one. Nobody is mad that they didn't keep serving through the tornado warning. They are mad that after the tornado was on the ground, they were kicked out with no direction other than to leave. In reality, letting them stay with all the windows there might not have been a good idea, but it would have been better than kicking them out with no options or directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
And I'm not wanting the guy out of business or anything. They handled it in probably the worst possible way, but it seems like a pretty easy enough mistake to not have a plan for that, and luckily nobody got hurt and it's an easy enough to fix for next time. They're never going to have a great option for bad weather b/c of their setup, but if they can at least direct people to shelter when they close up, people can make their own choices as to whether to go there or not when weather is bad and know that if it gets bad, they are going to be hoofing it across the street to a semi-protected parking garage.
But I think he should have outright apologized for their failure, both because he owed an apology for how poorly his staff acted and as a practical matter of defusing the situation. And people going around and acting like the kids just wanted to keep drinking are doing him a disservice; that's just going to keep people pissed at him and make it harder for him.
I had a firsthand convo with someone there yesterday. He evacuated to the garage. He didn’t make it sound as crazy as it’s made out to be but he’s not the type to stay and fight with an establishment or the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
There are a few things here. One is that it was SBW. If this is a random weekend in the spring this doesn’t happen. Because it was SBW, people went out regardless of weather. SBW is one of the biggest weekends for food/beverage and nobody is closing down as a precaution on SBW. Personally, I’m 100% personal responsibility. If you go out on a night with potentially dangerous weather you cannot blame anyone else for you being in a dangerous situation. The buck stops with you, period. Now I’m not absolving The Bin for how it actually went down. They’ll never encounter this situation again but if they did they’d do better next time. It’s like blaming the bar for getting a DUI.
The argument everyone makes in favor of the restaurant is to build up credibility for the owner/establishment outside of this particular event and minimize every patron as a kid, entitled, and/or drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Too true. Regardless of if someone is drunk or sober, we all expect to be treated with common human decency. Espcecially by a service industry business. It’s wild people are going to bar for them and making this a “It’s their right” issue. Ofc it’s their right. It’s completely stupid, but you have the right to be completely stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
A service industry business provided piss poor customer service and rather than chastise them for a bad job, people are blaming the patrons for being entitled to expecting good service? I mean when the options are literally anywhere else that treats you with compassion and wants your service or a place that treats you like dogshit, it’s not a matter of entitledness but one of doing a poor job.
Instead of yelling “gtfo” there should have been someone shouting clear instructions on what to do in a non profane manner. “Please exit the building immediately. It is unsafe to be here. The windows are not safe to be around in times of tornadoes. For safety go across the street to the parking garage or seek actual shelter. This building is less safe than being outside.”
Something of that effect would have at least given the notion that you give an ounce of compassion about your customers. Knowing that a place doesn’t care about you as a customer makes it very easy to boycott you.
Did you just equate compassion and a bar???? I'm not sure how you choose your establishments to frequent, but when I was in college - I never heard anyone say let's go to XYZ because they treat me with compassion.... I did hear about drink specials, good food, good bands, etc. - but how the establishment "treated" me was never factored into it. That is unless you knew the bartender and they hooked your tab up so that you didn't pay through the nose, but I highly doubt the owner knew about it....Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
“Back in my day we didn’t care if we were treated like shit.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Yea ok cool. People my age do.
It has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with expectations. I don't expect for a restaurant to coddle me. I expect to go in, get good service and food, pay, then leave. If a natural disaster strikes, I don't expect the establishment to wrap me up in bubble wrap and sing lullabies to me until the danger has passed. It is called personal responsibility. I've pasted a passage below that may help you understand that concept, as your replies within this thread have not shown you quite understand that concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
"Personal responsibility is the willingness to both accept the importance of standards that society establishes for individual behavior and to make strenuous personal efforts to live by those standards. But personal responsibility also means that when individuals fail to meet expected standards, they do not look around for some factor outside themselves to blame. The demise of personal responsibility occurs when individuals blame their family, their peers, their economic circumstances, or their society for their own failure to meet standards."
This implies that for me to have personal responsibility that I must adapt to what society has established as those standards. One such standard is to treat people with respect. Another is that if you invite me into your place, you aren't just going to throw me out to the wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
People who went to the bar used poor judgement to go there. This much is clear. How the bar reacted in the emergency is where the "personal responsibility" failure lies though. The way the bar and its staff acted was not up to societal standards. During times of emergency a community must stick together and help each other out as best they can. Many people make bad decisions or down play the severity of weather warnings every day. In fact, I would venture to say almost everyone downplays the severity of weather warnings to some degree. Most people have been so many warnings they get desensitized, but when all the sudden you find yourself right down the street from a tornado, everything that's happened before doesn't matter anymore because right now there is a mother f*ck*ng tornado right down the road. I, for one, will do what's necessary for my survival if I find myself in that scenario and if I was working in that bar, I would not force any one to leave. I may strongly suggest it, but I would still treat people like living beings deserving of life.
So the Bin has no responsibility for the safety of their patrons who are drinking at their establishment especially when the Bin potentially has more info on what the weather is doing than their patrons? What a strange way to view the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Because not kicking somebody outside when a tornado is on the 17ing ground is coddling them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
It's still amazing to me to see people come up with and justify their opinions. Mostly they come up with their opinions through picking an affinity for one "side" or another, and then just going with it. So some people are predisposed to be against students or young adults, or maybe predisposed to side with business owners or service workers or something, and they somehow convince themselves that people expecting to not be kicked out of a building during a 17ing tornado are being unreasonable and spoiled.
I mean, I knew that's the way people mostly operate, but it's still weird to see it put out there in writing.
Personal responsibility for everyone but the business owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
What I have seen is the business started kicking people out and instructing them to go across the street to the underground parking garage since a building with nothing but windows is probably the worst place to be. I haven't seen anything that makes me think they kicked people out with a tornado on the ground. Other than telling people to get the 17 out, I haven't seen anything they did that would be wrong unless I have missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Is this timeline correct?
Bin 612 closes early and tells people they have to leave. Did they tell people to leave and then they stood around still trying to drink and then get told to get the 17 out or did they go straight to yelling get the 17 out?
After an hour after being kicked out, the tornado then shows up.
And the students who ignored the warnings. good lord dont criticize them.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
why are you snowflakes still crying about this??????
What exactly were they supposed to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So all the bars decided to close at a certain time which was supposed to be more than an hour before the tornado was supposed to hit.
They supposedly told patrons that the underground parking garage was where they needed to go if they couldn't make it home.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...iFJK.mp4?tag=8Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
In the video, customer asked where do they go. Security, "to your cars".
That's not the timeline that has been publicized. Students are claiming they were being kicked out after the tornado warning was issued. The owner didn't dispute that in his statement. I assume that if they had tried to close down an hour before that and the ones in the video were just the patrons that hung around for an hour that the owner would have pointed that out in his statement but maybe he didn't realize what was being claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I don't disagree with anything that you posted. Personal responsibility goes both ways. What you've seen within this thread though is the establishment is being held to a different standard and that these poor kids (who are of legal age to drink) were spoken to in a way that hurt their feelings. The security contractor should have handled the situation differently, but at the same time - the people within the place should acknowledge that they chose a bad time to go out and have a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
That's not what happened. That's why there is an "apology" statement. They told patrons "we don't know/care. Go to your cars."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Why do you feel the need to enter a thread that still has an ongoing discussion if you feel like the matter is closed in your mind, snowflake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckdog
That doesn't fly in today's age. Maybe before the invention of internet and cell phones this would work, but my phone goes off anytime severe weather is in the area... As much as the younger generation is glued to their phones, they probably had more information faster than anyone working within the establishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
Did anyone force these folks to be there during this time? I would assume your answer would be "no", so with that in mind - at what point does someone take ownership of the decisions they made to put themselves in that situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I'm not absolving the restaurant/bar, but it wasn't like this weather event popped up out of nowhere. If a tornado hit that building, you're screwed regardless.