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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
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At Ole Miss they just call this a Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
And that's why their Athletic Dept is a heaping pile of shit. I prefer our method any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Is there not a more balanced approach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
It's crazy to me that nick apparently cheated and got caught, yet we're mad at admins, not nick.
right???Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If a regular student cheats they are expelled (and good luck getting into another accredited college or university). End of story.
I'm mad at Nick. Selfish move, bye Nick. He was good and we needed him, but he didn't have quite the impact I expected from a 5 star guard that North Carolina wanted. He's not irreplaceable. Still hate to lose him, but it's his own damn fault, so bye bye.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That’s not always the case..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
When will an announcement be made by the school? Not what he did but simply he's no longer part of the program. If this is a done deal, why not issue a press release?
And we are operating in a vacuum too - we know nothing other than rumors and "sources". Was it a first offense? Was it this semester or last semester? If it was an auto F, did that make him academically ineligible because the rest of his grades were not up to snuff, etc. etc. We have to assume it was serious enough that the generous leeway given to athletes (and believe me, they get it) couldn't overcome the situation without negatively impacting the team as a whole. Many people casting stones on here would be pissed if we did nothing, then found out we had to forfeit the season and post season play for playing an ineligible player.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You have to believe that if he was expelled, then any other student who did something similar would also be expelled. It's not like the school is going to be more harsh on a big-time athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Found this on University’s Honor Code-
Handling a Case
The Student Honor Code designates the Student Honor Code Council as the administrative coordination point for handling all cases of academic misconduct. The faculty member has the option of handling the case individually or to refer the case to the Student Honor Code Office. When a faculty member chooses to handle the case individually, this is the process:
A faculty member may handle cases directly in the following situations:
It is a first time offense.
It is not anticipated to require an outcome greater than an XF..
The student does not request referral to the Student Honor Code Council.
A faculty member may refer the case to the Student Honor Code Council at any point in the process.
The accused student may appeal the faculty member's decision to the Student Honor Code Council
Faculty Reporting Process
Step 1
Upon learning of alleged academic misconduct, the faculty member shall contact the Student Honor Code Office to report the incident, begin a case file, and obtain background information on the accused student, if any. If the student has a previous record, the case is required to be referred to the Student Honor Code Council for further handling.
Step 2
If there is no previous record and the faculty member decides to handle the case individually, the faculty member will then meet with the accused student. In this meeting, the faculty member shall inform the student of the allegation and give the student the opportunity to be heard.
Step 3
After meeting with the accused student the faculty member will determine if academic misconduct has occurred. If no misconduct is found the case is dropped, no action against the student is taken, and the decision is reported to the Student Honor Code Office. If the faculty member determines that there has been academic misconduct, the faculty member determines the severity of the violation and assesses a sanction in accordance with Student Honor Code policies. The faculty member completes and submits the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form (pp. 16-17) to the Student Honor Code Office.
In all cases, if the faculty member determines the violation deserves a greater penalty than an XF, the case must be referred to the Student Honor Code Office for adjudication.
Step 4
The faculty member then meets with the student to notify him/her of the decision, the sanction, and of the adjudication and appeal process. Each student is required to check one of the student response options on the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form and sign the form.
Step 5
If the student accepts responsibility for the academic misconduct and accepts the sanction assigned by the faculty member, the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form is sent to the Student Honor Code Director within five (5) University business days where it is included in the case file and the case is completed.
If the student indicates on the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form that they do not agree with the sanction or deny the misconduct occurred, the faculty member submits the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form and all applicable documentation to the Student Honor Code Director within five (5) University business days. This submission begins the process by which the Student Honor Code Office adjudicates the case (see section on the Student Honor Code Council Process).
Note: In the event that the student’s case is not resolved before the end of the semester, submit the notation “GDP” as their final grade.
The Student Honor Code Director may extend deadlines for extenuating circumstances.
Student Honor Code Staff- If the case is referred to the Student Honor Code Office, the faculty member completes the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form (pp. 16-17) and sends it (along with supporting information) to the Student Honor Code Office for further consideration within five (5) university business days of learning of the alleged incident. The Student Honor Code Director may extend deadlines for extenuating circumstances.
Violation Report Form
Student Honor Code Council- When a student does not accept responsibility for violating the student honor code, disagrees with the recommended sanction of the course instructor, or has a prior violation of the Mississippi State University Student Honor Code; the case is entered in the Student Honor Code Council hearing process. The Student Honor Code Office staff will work with the reporting faculty member and student to identify a convenient time to conduct the hearing. Hearing panels are composed of three faculty members, two student members, and one non-voting chair. The panel will make the determination if a student is responsible for violating the Student Honor Code, if the student is found responsible, the council will also decide on an appropriate sanction.
I wouldn't think he'd still be allowed to be on the bench if he was expelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
That's what I'm saying. The university needs to address it. That doesn't mean they need to provide details but at some point the rumor outpaces the facts and once that happens it's hard to curtail.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
If it's a 'no brainer' .. how / why is he still practicing with the team, traveling and sitting on the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
They may not have come to a resolution on it at that point. We'll see if he's there tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The reason I don't agree with permanent expulsion is I don't believe that penalty is common knowledge to students. It might be for older adults but I don't think students view cheating as seriously an offense as say sexual assault or selling drugs yet all three get you expelled.
I don't think he made the trips to Knoxville or Auburn, and don't think he was on the bench when we played A&M in Starkville. I could, of course, be misremembering.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It doesn't matter how the student views it; it's how the controlling institution views it. Yes, student views are probably more lax these days but just because students don't think it's a big deal doesn't make it any more ethically acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Stans' kids were on the bench and they were never members of the team. **
Ncaa rule prevents a suspended player from traveling, FYI.
My point is the punishment isn't effectively relayed to the students beforehandQuote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Please. Everyone is well aware that cheating puts you at risk with your school. Anyone who claims otherwise is willfully ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I was actually talking to my daughter and her boyfriend about this last night (home for spring break, both MSU students - she is met, he is Mech Eng.). They are well aware of the ramifications of cheating on tests and the honor code - it is referred to in almost every class syllabus and emphasized by the instructors. My daughter told me that in her Chem class last semester, they shut down the mid term she was in and checked everyone for cheating material. Kicked out multiple kids for cheating. The cheating they describe as "usual" and "accepted" was similar to what I saw in my day - sharing of info and intel about tests, sharing old work/tests from profs who repeat themselves, etc. They said the cheating they see on tests is caught often, and gets punished regularly. Most of the in-test cheating they have seen is in STEM classes - especially the "weed out" classes - Chem, Cal, Physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Instead of the real counterfeit 100s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
He was on the bench for A&M. Walked out with Q during Sr day festivities. He's been on the bench for every home game since the suspension. Hes still practicing with the team including yesterday morning before they left to go to Nashville.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Well I am certain they wouldn't have an online class test during a damn game. They would have moved that test to a different time, then allowed the tutor to take it. Plausible deniability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
OK, I suppose I just didn't notice. Do you think he made the trip to Nashville?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
It is though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
No he hasn't made any road trips since he's been suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
It really isn't common knowledge to 18-20 year olds that they'll get expelled from school and kicked off the team permanently and you know it's not. Just cause it's posted in a syllabus doesn't change that. If the University is gonna be hardcore about cheating then they need to post warnings and reminders not to do it all over the place and make announcements about it all the time or else don't be so hardcore about it. This could be a life changing punishment being handed out to Nick and if you think he actually thought he could possibly mess up that badly and he still did it I can't help you. Some people sure are choosey about the small amount of empathy they might ever have towards others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That's absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't have to be in the syllabus, college kids know the consequences of cheating. Even if they didn't, they had two years to read the syllabus. I am not saying I am not for second chances or anything; but playing the "He didn't know the consequences" card completely invalidates your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Complete. Utter. Horseshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
The kids on campus know that the school is hard on kids about cheating on exams becuase they see it happen. They see kids get caught and get punished. Hell, this isn't even the first athlete kicked out of school over it (allegedly) in the last few years.
He was on the bench vs A&M. Goddamman.. he was on the senior court with Q. Dubmass
Lol why so passionate?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
This makes me think he has a chance to stay with usQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
Homie, the honor code is in EVERY single classroom.
Posted like the health department score at every restaurant yet how many patrons actually know the ratingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rayburn8
It is, and I know that it is. Maybe things were different when you were in school, but nowadays every professor goes out of their way to talk about the consequences of cheating. Plus the athletes get all kinds of extra reminders of why they just can't cheat beyond what normal students get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
You're probably right that Nick wasn't some diabolical mastermind who was trying to devalue other people's degrees and get away with it, but if the rumors about him cheating are true, he really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Every single student that even halfway pays attention is aware of the honor code and the remifications of cheating. It really isn’t some kind of secret. You’re taking a real risk when you cheatQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Anyone know if Nick is on the bench tonight?