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Your ability to logically reason is lacking. Let?s compare Mississippi state to other middle tier programs and Bama to Clemson and other too 5 programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Your logic is comparing apples to lava rocks. Get back to me when You correct f the mindset.
We had a wet paper bag in the shape of a Peter. It didn't do what it was supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
This is the same guy that tried to save money on a chartered flight and cost us two days of Bowl prep because the cheap airline didn?t have a plane ready ....
As they say. Actions speak louder than words. Inactions count as actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
A question...give some reasons why Baker shouldn't leave State?
Sarkisian has very few options. I don't see a line of ADs or NFL GMs waiting to offer him OC positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
ETA: I think Saban also may have somewhat limited options here (self imposed). His inherent offensive philosophy clashes with modern day OCs and he's struggling some to find that balance. He's trying to make the transition and he finding it difficult.
Definitely not a big ole pay check that we could be paying him. So absolutely nothing. Yes, Bama is great, but these guys wouldn't go to Bama for a pay cut....If we want to make another step, we have to either use/find the money to pay the great coaches we get, OR admit that 7-8 wins with an occasional 9 is the absolute ceiling going forward and lower any and all expectations. It's pretty simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
This is the dumbest take I've ever seen from you SD. John Cohen grew up a Bama fan, went to college here, played baseball here, left a solid Kentucky job to be our HC, and pushed hard to be our AD, and your take is that he's INTENTIONALLY HARMING MSU SPORTS TO HELP BAMA? Really? this is akin to saying Fitz intentionally threw the '17 UGA game because he grew up in Georgia. Your logic is so so so dumb. Literally it makes less sense than accusing Johnson of intentionally sucking to bring us down, yet nobody says that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
we have 4 options all far more plausible than what you suggest: 1) Boosters just won't contribute enough to have competitive salaries, 2) Moorhead is a sinking ship and people want to leave rather than be tied to him, 3) All these coaches left for better jobs and the high number leaving is just a coincidence, and 4) Cohen is simply incompetent. All FAR more reasonable than "The guy who played and coached and is the current AD at State is trying to help Bama!"
Cohen just signed Baker to a contract extension. Unless he paid him way more than he was worth I don't know what else he could have done. I don't know the salaries of every DL coach in the league but I would guess Bama could easily give every one of them a raise. Including Orgeron.
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Originally Posted by RougeDawg
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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
So let me get this straight, in your first post you said a successful business has a retention plan to keep top talent. I replied and said that doesn't factor in a person's ambition and used Bama as an example of a successful business who has had massive turnover. Now you want to take a pot shot and hurl insults and state that we should compare ourselves to mid-tier programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Keep taking personal shots when you are proven wrong or try to move the goal posts within the discussion if you want. You're obviously melting so anything logical being said right now will only be met with emotion from you.
It?s not your job to know what he could?ve done but it?s his job to figure that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Dawg
MSU?s nuts have been severed in this recruiting cycle
I don't know that paying coaches more money is a catch-all solution... Bammer pays their coaches a good bit more than most programs and it's coaching staff gets poached waaaaay more than anyone else's...
I would love to see the SEC step in and stop the intra-conference coachin' poachin'....
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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
These coaches don't have any allegiance to MSU. They didn't grow up cheering and ringing a cowbell for MSU. If they make a move then they are doing so because they think it's best for their family and career. If some don't don't think a coaching move to Bama, even what some would call a lateral move, is looked upon as a more prestigious position nationally, then they need to find another hobby (other than posting on a message board), because reality has left them. And Bama can pay whatever they need to get a coach, and those who think we can compete on the money side are lacking in reality too.
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/i...tant_coac.html
Bama paid the last DL coach $750,000.
http://www.cdispatch.com/sports/article.asp?aid=70804
Baker, pre new contract, was making $375,000.
AD's love to hire former Saban assistants.
Bama has a far easier time recruiting top talent
So at Bama he will make a LOT more money, be in a better position to get promoted, and will have an easier time looking like a great DL coach.
1) Why on earth would he stay, and 2) do you really expect John to come up with Bama levels of money? Loafers couldn't do it, and neither could Byrne.
But yeah lets conclude that Cohen is terrible at his job at best and intentionally helping Bama at worst. And if we aren't drawing those conclusions about Cohen we'll say Moorhead has lost control because his staff are getting undeniably better job offers.
Get your heads out of you asses people. I get this sucks and we're emotional, but sometimes there's no clear person to blame. Our boosters are either relatively poor or have always been stingy no matter the AD. That's not Moorheads or Cohens fault. Really though what do you want them to do? Moorhead can't give them more money, Cohen can't give salaries the boosters won't pay for. If you say it's Cohens' job to raise funding then we have to levy the same criticism at literally ever AD we've ever had.
This isn't sunshine pumping. It's math. We don't have the money to compete. it's actually a far more depressing view than blaming a few fireable people. And it's because it's so final and demoralizing that so many of you can't accept it
Any of yall seeing confirmation that Baker has accepted the job at Bammer? I've seen/heard that a couple of places.
Brian Baker is never going to be a HC or DC. He took the money.
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Originally Posted by TUSK
If he does leave, and thats IF. How any of you can blame Cohen is beyond me. The guy just signed him to an extension. What do you want John to do? Lock him in the football building?
You're likely more plugged in than I... Logan Lowery (Daily Journal) and BOL reporting it...Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
This. And nobody had a problem w us sniping a coach from Oregon during recruiting. What's good for the goose.....it sucks but a phone call to the commissioner isn't going to solve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I see what you’re saying but it’s his responsibility at the end of the day. No one ever said being an AD at MSU is easy. We need someone that CAN solve these issues and Cohen is proving he cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Sweet Jesus, you're delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Yes it isQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Good postQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
No AD in the country or head coach is going to always keep his assistants when they are sought after, esp by Nick Saban. You are blowing this way out of proportion. This happens to every single program from high school to the NFL. We will have DL talent and will make a good hire. Moorhead is a likable guy and people want to work with him, contrary to the mob around here that has already labeled him a failureQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Nobody said pay them ALL Bama money....but the best ones you have to
Does it happen to every program the weekend of their big DL recruiting visits?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I never understand why everyone always wants to fire Cohen. The guy just became AD a year ago and so far I can't tell he has an established track record worth evaluating yet. And just to add something ... any coach we hire at MSU will be somewhat of a crap shoot (for sure in football). Mullen was. We have to take a chance on an up-and-comer coordinator ... which means there's always a chance they can't handle the HC position.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Funny that a coach who played at Bama and they offered the job, turned them down to stay at OM. But Baker is just improving his situation.
Maybe, maybe not. Im sure it has at some point. The timing is unfortunate but we havent lost a DL commit because of it. Pickering has said he is staying no matter what and Young was never committed. Moore was before all of this even happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Moorhead is a good recruiter, much better than the guy that yall wanted to proclaim as savior for half assing it most of his time here wanting to leave, and kept getting everything he couldve asked for.
Pete Golding turned down the OM DC job earlier this year so it goes both ways. Roach must have beef with SabanQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Well I didn't think Marcus Johnson was that good but saban looked at him. How do you decide in advance who is saban worthy? Cause in all honesty, I thought Getsey was overpaid at his salary, but the packers didn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I know that you refuse to believe this but sometimes the answer to what could have been done is "nothing", at least in the short term. I would rehash what Saban and Bama have to sell that we don't, but it's been pointed out ad nauseam at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yep. Our fan base will come up with every excuse in the book before admitting MAYBE somebody could have done a better job in our program. Blows my mind how it's always just poor MSU, and coaches & AD's are void of criticism. Why is that? It's strangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
After this season and the early recruiting results....Shoop, Baker, and Johnson were the only ones deserving raises....and Baker would have gotten the biggest one if it were me. A school would have to highly overpay for those 3 to steal them if I were Cohen and Joe. Obviously you wouldn't have to raise Johnson as much as the others due to body of work being smaller...he's a little bit lesser known. But everyone agreed Baker was the biggest piece of our defensive puzzle. Should have overpaid the shit out of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Would you rather be CEO of Piggly Wiggly or Walmart? Simple
In isolated circumstances, I agree but from the baseball hire to this football exodus, we are seeing a real trend.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)
Depends. Does Piggly Wiggly still give out green stamps so I can get some China? Or nice towels?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphadog
Nobody has poached Shoop. You know why? because he's the one we decided to pay top dollar to. We are following the strategy you say we should, we just don't have enough money to do it as well as you'd likeQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
How in the absolute **** can anyone know yet if the baseball hire was bad? We haven't played a ****ing game.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg