MSU Football Currently Comes Down to This...

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

No man, I love that play where Fitz takes the snap, makes 3 reads, and runs straight ahead 19 times per game. I mean, we scored 4 points per game in our 4 losses so what we were doing worked so well I wouldn't change a single thing.

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You must loved Mullen too doing the same thing with Dak too.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

John Cohen hired a guy that was in no way, shape, or form prepared to run an SEC program.

He hired a trendy coach that...

- Gets used by recruits as a safety net to accumulate other offers.

- Gets used by coaches to get their foot in the SEC

- Gets abused by other coaches in games and we just say there is a learning curve.

I'm willing to give a coach the benefit of the doubt with a learning curve in some areas, so long as it's worth it due to him being elite in other areas. Mullen sucked at recruiting but he was elite with Xs and Os. Therefore you deal with the lack of recruiting ability and hope it comes.

So, what does JoMo do well? Why are we allowing a learning curve in virtually every facet of the program?

Is there anything he does that doesn't envolve a learning curve?

We call a guy that needs a learning curve in everything "not ready for the job"

It's getting bad.

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Giving him the benefit of the doubt? Seriously you shit on him the whole post.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I enjoy 8 win seasons because I remember the 3 win seasons. But you made my point actually, coaches put players in position to win games. It?s the players job to execute. Auburn completes the pass okay, but Moorhead?s offense ran up and down the field that night we still would?ve won.

Now did Moorhead play to win against Iowa? No he didn?t, he played not to lose. But at the end of the day he got his guys in a position to win that game and the players did execute at all. He had guys in position to make plays against FL and they didn?t execute.

We make those two plays and we?re 10-2 and everyone is happy.

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Oh boy. Ok Sly, thanks for the knowledge. Everything was perfect with our offense this year, our guys just didn't execute...says every coach after a loss.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

You must loved Mullen too doing the same thing with Dak too.

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Mullen was smart enough and flexible enough to put in several plays where Dak was under center. And then he did the same with Fitz. Try again Sly, you are failing.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Oh boy. Ok Sly, thanks for the knowledge. Everything was perfect with our offense this year, our guys just didn't execute...says every coach after a loss.

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You?re welcome for the knowledge, you need a lot more of it.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Mullen was smart enough and flexible enough to put in several plays where Dak was under center. And then he did the same with Fitz. Try again Sly, you are failing.

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Fitz never went under center with Mullen. Good try though, stick to basketball bud.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Fitz never went under center with Mullen. Good try though, stick to basketball bud.

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This is just not true.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Fitz never went under center with Mullen. Good try though, stick to basketball bud.

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You just stated that Mullen did the same thing with Dak. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Just keep thinking that 2 dropped passes were our only problem in 2018.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

This is just not true.

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Film doesn?t lie. I don?t ever remember it but I admit when I?m wrong. Pull the film and let?s see it.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Film doesn?t lie. I don?t ever remember it but I admit when I?m wrong. Pull the film and let?s see it.

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Here’s an example: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20727983

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Oh boy. Ok Sly, thanks for the knowledge. Everything was perfect with our offense this year, our guys just didn't execute...says every coach after a loss.

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But all you do is bitch at a first year coach implementing a new system. Funny thing is most want us to succeed but a few of y’all want us to fail to say you were right. Guess what not a damn one of you knows how to coach on a major college level. And I damn sure could imagine you recruiting. You may end up being right but it won’t be because of knowledge it will be because coaches fail and get fired. Go to work tomorrow and be the perfect employee that I know you are and then call Cohen and send those resumes. But keep up with each other cause I don’t want us to miss out on the perfect staff

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Here’s an example: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20727983

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Bet he didn't expect that... and a td too. Nice work

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Fitz never went under center with Mullen. Good try though, stick to basketball bud.

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Thats false. The play action pass TD to Mixon last year vs LSU was under center

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

But all you do is bitch at a first year coach implementing a new system. Funny thing is most want us to succeed but a few of y?all want us to fail to say you were right. Guess what not a damn one of you knows how to coach on a major college level. And I damn sure could imagine you recruiting. You may end up being right but it won?t be because of knowledge it will be because coaches fail and get fired. Go to work tomorrow and be the perfect employee that I know you are and then call Cohen and send those resumes. But keep up with each other cause I don?t want us to miss out on the perfect staff

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Shit man, I've been taking up for JoMo today. I'm not that pissed about losing DJ James. I'm not that pissed about losing Huff. I am pissed off about the 2018 season b/c it was a once in a decade chance and we blew it. News flash, the West wasn't that damn good this year. But I have seen BankerDog and a couple of other posters say we are 2 dropped passes away from 10-2 and that does piss me off. It's a stupid statement. And that's what I was replying too.

I hope to hell that we can finish strong in recruiting and Joe can be smart enough to tweak his system. I've never pulled against MSU in my life and I never will. As far as being right, I usually am.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Here’s an example: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20727983

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damn, I tried to tell him to quit while he was behind. Having some plays under center also set up the occasional QB sneak which would have come in handy in the Outback Bowl on 4th and a centimeter.

Hard to argue with someone who is usually right. I apologize and will try to learn from you.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Film doesn?t lie. I don?t ever remember it but I admit when I?m wrong. Pull the film and let?s see it.

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Admission of being wrong is apparently leaving

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Moorhead is done. He won?t survive next year. When your main staff guys jump ship, it?s over.

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No Keytaon is gonna save Moorhead. Everyone is seriously underestimating KT. He's better than Fitz and everyone's can't see it yet asses will be singing his praises come November. Remember who called it first though.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

No Keytaon is gonna save Moorhead. Everyone is seriously underestimating KT. He's better than Fitz and everyone's can't see it yet asses will be singing his praises come November. Remember who called it first though.

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Buuulllllshhhhhiiittttt.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Heaven forbid we should ask our WR's to catch the ball.**

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While I agree w that bit what would have happen if a&m or auburn had caught theirs against us??works both ways. Both of those game would be different.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

No Keytaon is gonna save Moorhead. Everyone is seriously underestimating KT. He's better than Fitz and everyone's can't see it yet asses will be singing his praises come November. Remember who called it first though.

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I hope you are right. I like KT. But judging from what we saw and what some have heard, its hard to believe that if it was close that KT wouldnt be the guy esp in the bowl when Fitz decided to do his own thing

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

No Keytaon is gonna save Moorhead. Everyone is seriously underestimating KT. He's better than Fitz and everyone's can't see it yet asses will be singing his praises come November. Remember who called it first though.

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Great. I feel better. Dumb 17 has spoken

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Great. I feel better. Dumb 17 has spoken

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The knower of all knowledge that is wrong, or you must see such truth through maroon colored glasses for it to be so.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Great. I feel better. Dumb 17 has spoken

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Homedawg doesn't like KT. He does like 13 year old middle schoolers though.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I hope you are right. I like KT. But judging from what we saw and what some have heard, its hard to believe that if it was close that KT wouldnt be the guy esp in the bowl when Fitz decided to do his own thing

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I think several of you need to go back and watch the 3 games KT played in again. Moorhead has been stubborn and wrong about a lot of things so it shouldn't shock anyone right now that he's also wrong about KT.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Admission of being wrong is apparently leaving

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Says the guy who said there would be no way we would win 8 this year. What do you bring to this board except a bunch of overblown meltdowns and Braves news?

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

damn, I tried to tell him to quit while he was behind. Having some plays under center also set up the occasional QB sneak which would have come in handy in the Outback Bowl on 4th and a centimeter.

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Looks as if I was wrong for once.

I still stick to my assessments. I saw guys running open all year, but a QB who was a 1/2 read guy not get it to them. I saw a QB who worried more about his partying and worrying about his rushing record then making the correct calls. I also saw three plays where if a guy makes a play, we win games. That's a fact, bud.

I was at State with both Dak and Fitz and everyone who was up there with both of them know exactly where I am getting at. There is a reason Dak's guys loved him and Fitz's guys could careless about him.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I have heard some things about Fitz, but my first question was always why did we leave him in there then if that was the case?

There's a trade off you're right, and we traded a 10 win season in this year for what we got. Hopefully its worth it next year

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I think part of it was the fact that it was a unique situation where you have a guy that while erratic on and off the field he has done a lot of good things at MSU. He was coming off of an injury and also had a shot to set a SEC record for rushing by a QB. He was the guy that MSU was promoting. But he also didn't fit the offense and got suspended the first game of the year. Maybe Joe doesn't trust KT either- regardless I think benching Nick could have been a mistake long term if you are talking about optics and QB recruiting.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

They should have caught it no doubt, but thats this game. Thats the coaching game, you are hinging your life basically on what kids do. How do we fix that? You get Jonathan Mingo and other better WRs that will catch it. But more importantly you realize what your players can do and you do that, not what your pride tells you to do

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I agree that you have to get more talent to fix that and make it more consistent. But our run/pass ratio was basically the same in 2018 as it was in 2017. The main difference I saw on paper was we actually increased our QB runs by 12% compared to 2017.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

While I agree w that bit what would have happen if a&m or auburn had caught theirs against us??works both ways. Both of those game would be different.

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I don't think that Auburn fans and A&M fans demand that the coach to go to a run heavy offense because of it though. Or use that as an example of the coach not running a system that fits the personnel. Our fans tend to go to extremes because of one play that doesn't work out for us.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I enjoy 8 win seasons because I remember the 3 win seasons. But you made my point actually, coaches put players in position to win games. It?s the players job to execute. Auburn completes the pass okay, but Moorhead?s offense ran up and down the field that night we still would?ve won.

Now did Moorhead play to win against Iowa? No he didn?t, he played not to lose. But at the end of the day he got his guys in a position to win that game and the players did execute at all. He had guys in position to make plays against FL and they didn?t execute.

We make those two plays and we?re 10-2 and everyone is happy.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Looks as if I was wrong for once.

I still stick to my assessments. I saw guys running open all year, but a QB who was a 1/2 read guy not get it to them. I saw a QB who worried more about his partying and worrying about his rushing record then making the correct calls. I also saw three plays where if a guy makes a play, we win games. That's a fact, bud.

I was at State with both Dak and Fitz and everyone who was up there with both of them know exactly where I am getting at. There is a reason Dak's guys loved him and Fitz's guys could careless about him.

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This is exactly what I saw. You can see the wide open receivers very obviously in person. I mean like no one in the area code. And then Nick throws it into triple coverage. And while I don't hang out with Fitz- him getting suspended for game one said a lot to me. No matter what he did- it shows lack of focus, lack of responsibility, and immaturity. And that's our "captain".

The encouraging thing to me is as Joe brings in players that fit his system the level of execution should get better. And those two almost catches then become completions.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

He's got next year for me. I know he'll probably get 2 more at least, but I'm not sold on Joe Moorhead. Looked to be a decent hire at first, but maybe it's just not a good fit. He's got next year to change my mind.

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With what we lose, if we go 8-4 again, it will be a miracle and he would likely get another 2 years after next. If we go 6-6, and barely make some bowl, then he would likely get 1 more year after next. JMHO.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Fitz never went under center with Mullen. Good try though, stick to basketball bud.

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Fitz went under center 4-6 times a game with Mullen. I mean seriously, worked play action off of it and everything. ATrain worked off of fitz under center too. Seriously 4-6 plays a game average. Easily 4-6 a game. Did you even watch our team in 2017? Hell we went under center 12 snaps against Bama at home last time. Did you miss that game?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is exactly what I saw. You can see the wide open receivers very obviously in person. I mean like no one in the area code. And then Nick throws it into triple coverage. And while I don't hang out with Fitz- him getting suspended for game one said a lot to me. No matter what he did- it shows lack of focus, lack of responsibility, and immaturity. And that's our "captain".

The encouraging thing to me is as Joe brings in players that fit his system the level of execution should get better. And those two almost catches then become completions.

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Voted captain prior to his suspension. Sure wish they made Abram our captain.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

No Keytaon is gonna save Moorhead. Everyone is seriously underestimating KT. He's better than Fitz and everyone's can't see it yet asses will be singing his praises come November. Remember who called it first though.

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I don't know if KT will save Jo, but he'll be a better fit then Fitz. JoMo was too bullheaded... He wouldn't coach to his team's strengths, while slowly installing his offense. I wanted a 10+ win season to, but if we're honest it was gonna be a learning curve for the team as a whole. My biggest gripes with JoMo were not preparing backup QBs and playing A-train more, when everyone could see Hill and our left tackle suck at pass blocking.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I think several of you need to go back and watch the 3 games KT played in again. Moorhead has been stubborn and wrong about a lot of things so it shouldn't shock anyone right now that he's also wrong about KT.

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The SFA film was not good, especially most of the third quarter.

https://youtu.be/IyHSm19chkM

OH HELL NO! don't start this shit again....Fat ass is what he is a nice person who 17'd up our season and sucks as a head coach. I've been on his ass all year and took heat for it. You 17ers get what you deserve 2 more seasons of shit show. in the end you will be just as sick of him as Rick Ray and Crooms. Its just amazing to me so many of you cant see the light until the train smashes you Butt.

Cohen continues to hire Type B personalities because he likes them & they are easy to control.

Cohen won't ever reach his ceiling as an AD until he hires coaches that resemble him. Type A mofos that do their own thing.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Shit man, I've been taking up for JoMo today. I'm not that pissed about losing DJ James. I'm not that pissed about losing Huff. I am pissed off about the 2018 season b/c it was a once in a decade chance and we blew it. News flash, the West wasn't that damn good this year. But I have seen BankerDog and a couple of other posters say we are 2 dropped passes away from 10-2 and that does piss me off. It's a stupid statement. And that's what I was replying too.

I hope to hell that we can finish strong in recruiting and Joe can be smart enough to tweak his system. I've never pulled against MSU in my life and I never will. As far as being right, I usually am.

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Bama was the #2 team in the country. LSU destroyed a 27 win streaking top 10 UCF, beat UGA, finished #6. Auburn beat Washington, LSU, and absolutely annihilated their bowl team. A&M played very good against Clemson and Bama, beat Kentucky, and like Auburn annihilated their bowl team.

OM and Arky were trash, but the West wasn't a joke this year. Even then we only lost to Bama and #6 LSU, going 4-2 vs the West. Playing @ the best Kentucky team in history and against the best UF team since early Muschamp were what brought us down.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Cohen continues to hire Type B personalities because he likes them & they are easy to control.

Cohen won't ever reach his ceiling as an AD until he hires coaches that resemble him. Type A mofos that do their own thing.

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This continues to be the reason I think he bungled the baseball search. But I hope Lemonis proves me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The SFA film was not good, especially most of the third quarter.

https://youtu.be/IyHSm19chkM

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Nitpicking a 473 total yard 7 TD performance in a 63-6 blowout should make you feel bad. 7 touchdowns bruv.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

This continues to be the reason I think he bungled the baseball search. But I hope Lemonis proves me wrong.

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Good thing we won't know till 6 years from now when all our commits graduate high school.