They are cheating their asses off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
There is no way that anyone sane kid signs up for that depth chart. Absolutely lunacy
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They are cheating their asses off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
There is no way that anyone sane kid signs up for that depth chart. Absolutely lunacy
Exactly, 4 five star RBs in 3 recruiting classes? That's insane. There is only one football to go around.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
They’ve done it for a while, even before Richt left. Georgia has always been an absolute RB factory. If you’re the best in the country why would you not go there?
... because you don't want to wait 2 years to ever see the field, split carries at best when you do, and possibly bet buried if one of the 3 5* RBs behind you are generational? The alternative is to come to a school like State (or even Auburn, they have solid RBs but not Emery level) and get carries in your first year with less risk of being left behind if you get injured. UGA has shown they can develop and NFL RB for sure, but that's not really a hard position to coach so a lot of places can get you there. Potential for rings is the biggest advantage they have but how sweet is it to win a ring if you're riding the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
Devil's advocate... if you're a 5-star, you are the best of the best. Each one probably feels they are better than the other one... Georgia probably plays this up by saying the better player will play no matter their classQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
ETA... with 2 of the best RBs in the country last season, Georgia still got 4 more RBs 50+ carries including a true freshman. By contrast, we got 2 RBs 50+ carries
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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
The covering for blue bloods is ridiculous. It's pathetic how people can't think
Come mane.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There is no kid that grows up wanting to be in this depth chart situation. It's ridiculous that people can't see the obvious here
Tusk, time for the REC to get uga busted by the NCAA.
I think everyone cheats. I can see the sell at Georgia though. Smart has revitalized that program... it's the hot program now. Even with 2 NFL RBs last season, Georgia got a true freshman 81 carries.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
So starting next year uga will have the best talent in the country according to recruiting stars. Smart better start winnin the nattys.
No, just no.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Everyone speeds, yes, but only blue bloods can get away with what they are currently doing.
Why? Because people like you give them the benefit of the doubt.
FWIW, I don't think the NCAA can stop this. I think the only way to create a more level playing field is to reduce scholarships. Instead of 85, reduce it to 70 total & you can sign 20 a year. That controls the problem immediately
It's pretty obvious why they got rid of RichtQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Everyone cheats, but you have to ask "if they are all cheating at the same level, how come UGA is blowing all their peers out of the water?". This point isn't even about Emery specifically- UGA is blowing Texas, Bama, Oklahoma, Florida State, Clemson, and Auburn out of the water and while I get that it's a "hot" program, that also applies to Clemson and Texas. So what separates UGA? Saying Smart is the best recruiter only accounts for so much of the gap, but with a gap this big it doesn't account for all of it. The only conclusion I see is that they're cheating more than other blue bloods.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So, logically, this increased cheating would be extended to their #1 RB target. Whether you can excuse Emery himself because of UGA's pedigree of RB success, it doesn't account for the insane success with other 5* and high 4* targets relative to the other top programs
If you can't see why a kid would rather play at Georgia/bama/Ohio state than us, you probably are thinking with your heart too muchQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'm going to have to disagree with the scholarship part. All that would happen is that the blue bloods would cut the bottom 5 players each class (usually high 3*, sometimes low 4* too) and those players would bump the lowest 5/20 in say, our class. But UGA and Bama would still have same number of 5 and high/medium 4s, and on average they will still beat the low 4/high 3s that got the axe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
It might help a small amount, but there will still be the same incentives to cheat as is there now and UGA would have the same number of .95+ rated guys as they would anyway
If we would've gotten emery, good clean recruiting by an outstanding staff.
Georgia got emery bc they are low down, rotten cheaters
That's the not the question here. I completely realize why a kid would rather play for UGA, Bama, & OSU over us.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The question though is why would he rather play for UGA, Bama, & OSU over us so much that he'd enter into a depth chart of numerous other 5 star RBs when he could be the man at MSU playing the same schedule in the same conference.
Also, you realize we led for this guy 2 weeks ago... right? Are you telling me that he JUST decided he would rather play for UGA, LSU, or OSU over us?
Think about that.
Well, they obviously outbid whatever we were offering.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe. It would help though.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
College football teams don't need 85 scholarships. 70 would be plenty.
I don't think you can remove the incentives to cheat & I don't think they NCAA is capable of stopping it. Therefore, I think all the NCAA can do is try to create rules that hopefully make it impossible to UGA to hoard 4-5 5* running backs on their roster.
Personally, I think Emery is just bleeding LSU for every dime & that they'll eventually meet his price & he'll sign with them.
I can't help but wonder what would've happened had he remained a 4 star. Would we have gotten him?
I?m sure he was leaning to LSU when every recruiting expert out there started crystal balling him to LSU. Just like you don?t want people calling you out when shit changes with recruits, you could return the favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Not everything in life is factored by purely money.
Honestly, if his goal is to get to the NFL, he stands a way better chance of doing that by going to Georgia. He gets the competition to force himself to be better. The pedigree of knowledge offered by the school that has a solid history of running backs to the NFL. Plus he won?t be worn down by too many carries by the time he gets to the NFL.
There is a whole list of factors that can sway his decision. I?m sorry, but you?re looking through Maroon-colored glasses if you think he has no reason to go to Athens over Starkville other than money.
Here's where we got into trouble with Emery. The guys we pay for information kept talking about how he was handling his recruitment much differently than other 18 year old kids. He was studying everything with the program, the coaches. That he wanted to be the only back in the class, that he only wanted to make one commitment, etc. Then we had the July 7 date and we were led to believe that was going to be us. So it was all coming together, we were about to land an out of state stud RB that didn't like LSU for a few reasons and he was going to be solid.
Then he went and showed out at the camp and got boosted to 5 star. Suddenly it's a circus. Remember, nothing changed in how good the kid was, nothing changed with any school recruiting him. But the hype train is in full force and suddenly LSU is the leader, UGA is offering and then the week he's supposed to go to LSU, he takes a trip to GA (his first to my knowledge) and basically commits on the spot. So everything we've been told about what he's basing the decision on and the process was blown up in the span of a week or two.
In this situation we just let ourselves get our hopes up way too high, so the crash was hard.
Yep....the filthy rich add another gold bar to their Fort Knox stack of gold bars. What else is new? Looks like it's gonna be UGA vs BAMA in Hotlanta battling it out for the foreseeable future. No one else is gonna be anywhere close to those 2 program's talent level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Had he committed to us, he would have dropped to a 3 star.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We would use Emery the exact same way our guys used Barkley at Penn State. Did Barkley get run down? Did that hurt his draft stock? I don’t think the UGA commitment will stick. In interviews, this kid was all over the place. Emery is more like a Barkley type bag then Chubb/Michel. I agree with IYOK. This recruitment isn’t over and I think we still have a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
None of that is true. It’s always been an MSU/UGA battle. The only curveball that was thrown in was him being interested in LSU all of a sudden. It was always an MSU/UGA battle though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
We could potentially have the best WR (Brown) and the best RB (Akers) in the country if we could just recruit our state. Heck one was even in our own backyard! I'm not worried about Emery. It's not unbelievable that we didn't land a 5* OOS kid. If we could just recruit our state then I believe we could win our conference.
Really, a way better chance at UGA than MSU?Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
I would expect nothing less from a segment of our fan base.
Great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Pathetic how recruiting works.
100% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
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Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree. Those schools have a long tradition of being national college football powers. If a kid doesn't mind competition , and apparently Emery doesn't, and believes that he is the best, then why not. As somebody said earlier, UGA has been known for a long time as getting elite running backs, and developing them for the next level, and they can get those highly recruited offensive line players to block for them. Emery's decision could have been an emotional decision, too. When the red carpet is placed in front of a recruit, and UGA can show him how running backs have excelled there and moved on to the next level, that means a lot to a potential recruit.
i'd have to go back and look but I thought I remembered reading constantly that the depth chart and distance to UGA were big barriers and thus they weren't really that much of a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
That said but as other have said developing NFL talent becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if you sign Top 5 kids at a position every year.
But it is what it is.
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Originally Posted by Irondawg
For whatever reason, many meathead MSU fans can't grasp this concept.
I agree that the recruitment isn’t over. That wasn’t my point. There are plenty of reasons to come here. And this staff has 1 hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
My point is that there are plenty of reasons to go to Georgia over Misssissippi State. Sure this staff had Barkley. But let’s look at Mississippi State in general. Two first round picks all time we’re spent on MSU halfbacks. One played one season in the 50s (Art David) and the other is often in conversation for Eagles worst draft pick ever (Michael Haddix). The best NFL running back from MSU is probably Boobie. That’s just simply bad.
Let’s compare to Georgia. Herschel Walker. Terrell Davis. Garrison Hearst. Hell, Knowshon Moreno. Oh yeah, Todd Gurley just got a crazy hefty deal. They even had one of their halfbacks turn out to be one of the best receivers for the Steelers (Hines Ward). Seriously. Only other colleges comparable to their track record are USC and maybe Wisoncsin.
The point is, we aren’t a perfect destination yet. We very well could be. But our staff has 0 wins currently. Georgia’s staff just got an SEC championship and lost in OT in the National Championship. We went 9-4. Much like Fletcher Cox’s deal is a huge recruiting sell, Gurley’s richest HB deal ever has a lot of sway. Is it a coincidence he committed so soon after that deal was inked?
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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Originally Posted by Irondawg
It's not that hard to grasp at all really. I don't think there is anyone that is struggling to understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
But to think MSU is to that point as of today is the difference between your view point and the other "segment" of the MSU fanbase. So yeah, there would likely be a way better chance at UGA than MSU today.
I would expect nothing less than a rebuttal with no substance from you. Do you think I want it to be the case? Just look at the facts some times. You really think a school that’s best HB in the nfl was a special teamer for most of his career is the better spot than a place that has the richest HB contract in history + Herschel Walker + TD? You know how hard of a sell that is to someone who isn’t a State fan? Like objectively try to sell that. Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We got beat for now, but a good 10+ win season + Aeris and Kylin having great years could be a game changer. Recruitment isn’t over until he signs.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
LOL You are one to be talking about somebody not being able to grasp a concept. You should be our Football Recruiting Coordinator, and then you may see recruiting in the real world, from a different perspective, than from your fantasy message board recruiting concept.
We won't ever land a 5* RB that's not out of Mississippi. Unfortunately guys like that come along about every 5-10 years in MS, whereas it's every year or two in Louisiana. It was either Akers or Hill in '17 and Hill was a little underrated, but we weren't going to get both.
UGA is recruiting 5 stars at RB though & 5 stars have an infinitely better chance of playing well in the NFL regardless of what school they attend.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
MSU has done a wonderful job of developing RBs the should've never been drafted into draftable players.
You just can't say that because UGA has gotten 5 stars & turned them into good NFL players that a player is more likely to pan out at UGA than MSU. They are mutually exclusive.