That would be franchise suicide to not draft a QB. Tyrod is a year place-holder. They’ve traded back 2 years in a row for this year. Draft whatever QB you think is best. This is the best QB class in the last 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
I saw where one NFL Analyst said that it is possible he could slip into the first round depending on teams' strategies, and if it played out just right, but more so being picked up in the second round, which seems more feasible.
Latest rumor is that Cleveland will choose between Mayfield and Allen at 1.
Which brings me to another question...
Does anyone remember a year when the number 1 pick wasn't already known in the day before the draft?
Leads me to believe that Cleveland is about to Cleveland it all up
Come on maneQuote:
Originally Posted by Dallas_Dawg
Cleveland has known who they are taking for at least 2 weeks.
All the noise you hear is artificial BS made up by the media to increase interest. It's literally made up BS about nothing. The draft is a boring event that is given artificial drama and story lines to increase interest.
I love the nfl draft. Isn't boring to meQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Lamar will be drafted in top 20 picks. No way he falls to 2ndQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
He's asking for $14 million a year and they're tagging him at $14million a year. He's getting his request.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
Double post
I just don't think the NFL GM's know how to evaluate QB's. They are consistently looking for the next Tom Brady. It is killing them. If I was going to pick a QB who might be the next tom Brady it would Josh Allen but if I wanted a Bret Farve gunslinger it would be Mayfield. You could do the the Cowboys did two years ago and wait and maybe catch lighting in a bottle.
Being a Browns fan, I assure you after passing on them they will select a QB this year early and he will be an absolute bust. I have been a Browns fan since I was 12 and have yet to see them make the correct decision. It has honestly been harder being a Browns fan than it was growing up a Bulldog fan through the end of the Jackie era and all of the Croom years. I have zero confidence that they will do the right logical thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
It is mind boggling how many head scratching drafts they have had. You would think by shear luck they would pick a stud at some point. Even perceived good picks never work out for them.
If you are the Browns do you consider trading the #1 to someone like the Bills for their 1st 2 picks and maybe a 1st next year. If your evaluation of the top 4 QB's isn't too different you'll know you'll get one at 4 or could still pick Barkley or Chubb
They don't want to give him a long-term contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/...be-overdrafted
I'm not even a NFL fan but after listening to all the sports talk I'll definitely be tuning in tonight. Seems like there could be some great drama!
Be interesting to see. I think Lamar goes in 2nd round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
I know what the media is saying. However, imo if you are getting what you've asked for that's winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
Barkley is that type of back. He actually reminds me of Ezekiel Elliott with better balance.
The best QB in the last 10 years? Are you smoking crack. There is not a single super star among them. Wentz and Prescott are better than any these clowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
You're wrong but okay. This class will produce 4-5 starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wet Dawg
So you're expecting 0-1 out of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, and Mayfield to be NFL busts? That's pretty optimistic, as all 5 of them have serious doubters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
Or are you expecting a sleeper like Luke Falk, Mike White, etc., to be one of the 4-5?
All the buzz now is that it is Mayfield at #1. We have known the number 1 pick the day before the draft every year since '04. I don't know why Cleveland is making it such a secret, but hey, Cleveland gonna Cleveland.
He's not very smart.. 13 on WonderlicQuote:
Originally Posted by louisvilledawg
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...x1r4hj3l4j9gtb
Barkley won't be there at #4Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.
I?m expecting 4-5 starters out of this entire class. Including Rudolph, Falk, White, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Does the wondelic guarantee success? His stats are better than any QB being drafted today.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Cleveland should take mayfield. After reading thru advanced throwing data, he's 1st in almost every meaningful rating and 2nd in the couple he's not 1st. His advanced throwing numbers compare with other successful nfl QBs in college like Russell Wilson and brees, and he's basically the same size as those guys. Allen will be a bust. His throwing metrics are some of the worst for a 1st round QB ever and compare to guys like jake locker and Jamarcus Russell. Non-advanced metric, but also read that wyoming's defense led the nation in turnovers created and was top 10 in total D, so they were a really good defense, but their offense ranked 100+ in total yards and like 97th in points, and Allen had the least number of drops of the top QBs. Maybe his WRs can't get the separation needed, but advanced metrics don't tell that story, they say the ball was not placed in a catchable radius. And yet he's a legitimate candidate to go #1 because he's tall and can throw it far?
No idea on Lamar. He will need s couple years, but could see him having early success if he needs to step in due to injuries cause of his legs. Could turn into a tyrod Taylor type that sits for several years before becoming a competent dual threat QB. Accuracy is an issue, but less so than with someone like Allen.
Darnold's turnovers have me thinking about jameis winston in his last year at f$uz. Everyone thought he was forcing it because he didn't have the talent around him and would stop forcing it with more playmakers, but he's kept right on turning it over in the NFL. Shows flashes of getting it, then reverts back to the same as he's always been.
It's a pretty good indicator, especially for a QB. The NFL playbook is very complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Time will tell how he pans out. There are exceptions to every rule for sure.
I don't know how good of an indicator it is. There's always dudes putting up high 30s and 40s scores who suck. I would wanna see a correlation between wonderlic and nfl success before I'd give it too much credence.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
EDIT: Google does seem to indicate that successful nfl QBs do tend to do pretty well on the wonderlic (mostly mid 20s to mid 30s). Of course you have some low scores who have been good to great and high scores that flopped, but all other things equal, seems like it's a good deciding factor to mitigate risk.
It's no indicator at all. He played under Petrino whose playbook is NFL based. He did pretty well under an NFL Qb developer. I think he'll be just fine in the NFL. Check out these wonderlic scores below of those I'm sure you think were pretty good NFL Qb's.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Dan Marino (15) Randel Cunningham (15) Jim Kelly ( 14) terry bradshaw (13).
Here is my problem with running quarterbacks:
In college they have to stay healthy for 15 games max (12 regular season, 1 conference championship, 1 playoff game, and a national championship game). In the pros that could be 24 games (4 preseason, 16 regular season, 3 playoff games, and Super Bowl). The beating takes a toll in a long season.
The other issue is that 18-22 year olds have fresh legs and can fly. When a running QB gets to be older, the speed goes from old age. Look at the age of Brady, Brees, Peyton Manning, etc. They can play as they age because speed isn't their game. You don't see many wideouts, corners, and running backs playing at that age. So I don't see Lamar Jackson runnng around at 35 or 36 like he will at 24 or 25.
I think most teams would love I if you told them they could get a stud running QB for 8 years, but he'd be too beat up after that to be productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
But with running QBs, people assume they aren't gonna improve passing. Cam doesn't run like he used to and he's a good QB. Roethlesberger used to run a lot more. Alex smith too. Running or non-running QBs either improve as passers or they don't, and the ones that don't improve don't stick around as a starter for very longs whether they can run or not. When you draft a guy, you don't think about what he could be 15 years down the line, if you get to that point and he's still starter worthy, then you are playing with house money.
Jackson might have been good but we will never know because he went to Ravens behind flacco. So he will not get to play till 2024 at the earliest and by then his speed will be less impressive and he will be another quarterback who is too short, and just decent at throwing
Do wat? Flacco has been shit for several years now, and it's not like he was a Tom Brady or even an Eli before that. If Jackson develops this year in a backup role and Flacco doesn't turn it around, he'll likely get a chance at some point in 2019, 2020 at the latest. Obviously we are assuming he's looking good in practice and Flacco continues to be shit. Ravens will figure out how to get rid of that albatross of a contract when the time comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackindabox
You serious jack? Slow in 6 years? A slow 26-27 yr old with fresh legs? He's also 6'3, try again. Stop the madness the kid is playing within 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackindabox
Pretty sure guaranteed money runs out after this season. Flacco could be cut after the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by jackindabox
Mayfield needs 3 td passes to break Peyton's rookie td pass record. The browns are a win away from having a winning record. Mayfield is 7-6 as the starter on a team that was 4-44 the previous 3 years. Mayfield was the best qb in college last season and the best qb in the draft. Cleveland made the correct pick. To all the baker haters...
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Lamar Jackson will get injured again.
Lamar Jackson was instantly good and will get even better.
As predicted Baker is that man!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Jackson vs Baker this week. Really hope I get that game